ImANargleHunter said
I know! I'm just saying you could be a biromantic heterosexual maybe? Unless you do wanna get funky with guys.

I do want to.

Rare said Well, I don't like to have sex with a guy and a girl, but I have romantic feelings from them. What would I be (besides Bisexual, I know that I'm one but I don't have any sexual feelings from boys and girls?).

Robeatics and Magic Magnum would be right to say Biromantic Asexual since I pretty much have the same feeling and I identify myself as such.

Sole said
I do want to.

Well that just makes you a slurry.

no jk like I said probably bisexual. I kinda figured there was a sexual element, or I would have mentioned the romantic/sexual distinction.

also lol this article: http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/faux_lesbian_t_a_t_u_singer_is_actually_anti_gay

At least she's totally up front about it.

Admittedly not reading seven pages of this right now, but I'm queer and nonbinary (ie not a man or a woman quite).

Doivid said
Well that just makes you a slurry.no jk like I said probably bisexual. I kinda figured there was a sexual element, or I would have mentioned the romantic/sexual distinction.also lol this article: At least she's totally up front about it.

I love how she says that two girls together, kissing and whatnot is "more aesthetically pleasing" than two men. Jesus, lady, are you gonna stare at your daughter while she makes out with her girlfriend or something?

"Jeez, I'm sorry Kelly, my mom just likes to watch. No big deal, right?"

All these names to identify people who are "different." Can we just call them people?

Aragorn said
All these names to identify people who are "different." Can we just call them people?

I was kind of thinking the same thing, honestly. :/

Aragorn said
All these names to identify people who are "different." Can we just call them people?

Look, not to be rude, but sexuality is something that actually affects people differently and is much more easily discussed when one has an array of terms to choose from. Trying to discuss nonbinary panromantic demisexuals would be pretty damn hard to do if you had to say "You know those people? Like, the people who don't conform to the gender binary and who like other people either within or outside
of the gender binary, but they don't like them sexually unless they have formed a strong, trusting connection? Those people?"

To just say "Let's just call them people!!!" essentually erases their identity and makes it much harder to gain visibility and community. You wouldn't look at a cake, a donut, a cupcake and a cookie and start yelling about all the terms for them because "Why can't we just call them sweets all the time!"

Robeatics said
Look, not to be rude, but sexuality is something that actually affects people differently and is much more easily discussed when one has an array of terms to choose from. Trying to discuss nonbinary panromantic demisexuals would be pretty damn hard to do if you had to say "You know those people? Like, the people who don't conform to the gender binary and who like other people either within or outside of the gender binary, but they don't like them sexually unless they have formed a strong, trusting connection? Those people?"To just say "Let's just call them people!!!" essentually erases their identity and makes it much harder to gain visibility and community. You wouldn't look at a cake, a donut, a cupcake and a cookie and start yelling about all the terms for them because "Why can't we just call them sweets all the time!"

I'm not saying we should take away people's individuality. Not at all. I just find it ridiculous we have to describe a person's sexuality like a science experiment.

I personally think that "non-binary" is a ridiculous concept that doesn't exist and people who feel neither man nor woman have other, unidentified issues going on. Mother nature, in every species of mammal and many other animals besides, assigns us a gender. There is no middle ground and there never has been. That you can be assigned the wrong gender is something I'm willing to accept, but rejecting both male and female is just silly.

Aragorn said
I'm not saying we should take away people's individuality. Not at all. I just find it ridiculous we have to describe a person's sexuality like a science experiment.

What is even your definition of describing something like a science experiment? Using accurate words?

Hank said
I personally think that "non-binary" is a ridiculous concept that doesn't exist and people who feel neither man nor woman have other, unidentified issues going on. Mother nature, in every species of mammal and many other animals besides, assigns us a gender. There is no middle ground and there never has been. That you can be assigned the wrong gender is something I'm willing to accept, but rejecting both male and female is just silly.

No middle ground. Really. Explain snails.

Snails are about as closely related to humans as daffodils. Their gender system has no bearing on that of ours, which has been a binary system for the entire evolutionary history of the order of mammals -- and even before that.

Robeatics said
What is even your definition of describing something like a science experiment? Using accurate words?No middle ground. Really. Explain snails.

But WHY do we have to come up with a different name every time somebody finds a new way to love somebody else(or them self)?

Biromantic Asexual... I might just call myself Bisexual.

And if my lover wants to have sex daily, then I'll tell him that I don't love sex as much as the common man.

Aragorn said
But WHY do we have to come up with a different name every time somebody finds a new way to love somebody else(or them self)?

But these really aren't new words. The community has been using them for years, dude. And it's not as if they're all the same shit but with SLIGHT tweaking, they're pretty big distinctions.

Look Hank, you're not gonna get it no matter how I may explain it to you, so I suggest you either do some research and accept the fact that people can and are genders separate from the binary OR just ignore those people and get on with your life. You seem to be confusing sex and gender, which are two separate things. By your logic, "biological sex" determines everything about gender, right? Have you never heard of goddamn intersex people? Where do they fit on your grand, thousand-year, impenetrable wall of ONLY males and ONLY females? Did you just sort of ignore them?

Robeatics said Look, not to be rude, but sexuality is something that actually affects people differently and is much more easily discussed when one has an array of terms to choose from. Trying to discuss nonbinary panromantic demisexuals would be pretty damn hard to do if you had to say "You know those people? Like, the people who don't conform to the gender binary and who like other people either within or outside of the gender binary, but they don't like them sexually unless they have formed a strong, trusting connection? Those people?"To just say "Let's just call them people!!!" essentually erases their identity and makes it much harder to gain visibility and community. You wouldn't look at a cake, a donut, a cupcake and a cookie and start yelling about all the terms for them because "Why can't we just call them sweets all the time!"

Imagine if what you said there was applied to say sex, or race.
Would we insist on going around saying "I am an Asian", "I am an African", "I am a Scot who lost my freedom!" etc? Or would we go "I'm a human being?".
That's what people are trying to get across, that at the end of the day we are all human beings despite who we're attracted or not attracted to.

Now, that being said I understand sexuality is a bit different. It's not something physically noticeable that a person can know about you without asking, it's something inside.
And I'm all for the variety of LGBT terms there are available in order to better clarify/define one for a descriptive sense. So say instead of going on for 5-10 minutes saying "I like ______.... but not _____ and only in ______ way" you can quickly go "I'm a Pansexual/Asexual etc.".

But there also becomes a point where it stops being a descriptive term, and people start using it to define themselves.
You are not your sexuality, your entire personality is not simply who you are attracted to. You have feelings, interests, hobbies, opinions, friendships etc.
All those help make up who you are too, and that's part of what people are trying to say.

I don't care who is what gender and whether they want to get it on with anyone or no one at all -- if this thread starts getting heated, then I'll be forced to close it.

Just sayin'.

Sherlock Holmes said
I don't care who is what gender and whether they want to get it on with anyone or no one at all -- if this thread starts getting heated, then I'll be forced to close it.Just sayin'.

^ Well, if you have to close this thread, then do it now before things do get very heated..

Magic Magnum said
Imagine if what you said there was applied to say sex, or race. Would we insist on going around saying "I am an Asian", "I am an African", "I am a Scot who lost my freedom!" etc? Or would we go "I'm a human being?".That's what people are trying to get across, that at the end of the day we are all human beings despite who we're attracted or not attracted to.Now, that being said I understand sexuality is a bit different. It's not something physically noticeable that a person can know about you without asking, it's something inside. And I'm all for the variety of LGBT terms there are available in order to better clarify/define one for a descriptive sense. So say instead of going on for 5-10 minutes saying "I like ______.... but not _____ and only in ______ way" you can quickly go "I'm a Pansexual/Asexual etc.".But there also becomes a point where it stops being a descriptive term, and people start using it to define themselves.You are not your sexuality, your entire personality is not simply who you are attracted to. You have feelings, interests, hobbies, opinions, friendships etc. All those help make up who you are too, and that's part of what people are trying to say.

I get that. But I am positive that most people when they describe themselves would not immediately say "I am an intersex genderqueer aromantic pansexual" or something similar. Or even really say that they were gay, if you want simplicity. No one is saying it is their entire identity. Let's go back to the sweets analogy: Yes, cookies, cupcakes, cakes and donuts are all sweets. But if someone points to a bakery display case and says, "What do you want?" It's pretty damn vague to just say "Sweets".

Sherlock Holmes said
I don't care who is what gender and whether they want to get it on with anyone or no one at all -- if this thread starts getting heated, then I'll be forced to close it.Just sayin'.

Yessir. :0 I'll tone it down a little. Just passionate.

Ok, Rob, you've convinced me. I'll take back the [2] I sent in Aragorn's direction.