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TwistedSun said Appearance – Very similar to humans, Atrendils are usually of a slender and fast built, higher than most races, with practically always a light skin and hairs, which in particular range from a pure white, to a silver or dark-grey one. Interesting how similar are Atrendil faces one to another, making sometimes highly difficult for foreign people to distinguish persons – thing that doesn’t happen to Taldrills or Atrendils themselves -.


Physcially lean, tall, with a light complexion and light skin. As well as all of this being pretty fairly homogeneous between members of their race, except perhaps with some changes in hair color between some overall goofy colors. Even your picture makes them out to look like perpetual saiyans with leathery bug wings. Per wings:

TwistedSun said Most of Atrendils are moreover blessed after the teens with beautiful furry wings, usually of the same color of the hairs, remains of the once feathered wings of the first Atrendils.


You did say it an explicitly mention the "beauty" of it. The only way this could get any worse if they were still capable of flight.

They come across as being a race of Edward Cullen's with wings. Something someone might expect from legend to come down and woo a race's women and steal them off to some place their men would declare horrible. In a world where the writing is sure to be defined by politics carrying their own ugliness, then they don't fit.

Per magic: it's a rather abstract and poorly defined concept within the fantasy world, and if it was said "allowed but not over-powered" then we run into a case of what's the limit between acceptable and over-powering spells. Can someone cast magic missile infinitely and it's OK? Do they need to go to the level of the fire-storm summoned at the Battle of the Wraiths in the Witcher 2 franchise?

Magic can be too arbitrarily played and too often carries the risk of being a magical fix-all for ailments and problems a characters will face that would be much more interestingly challenged in traditional means then someone casting hocus pocus or magic missile can clear it all out? It's more fit for table-top RPGs, in that way no one has battalions of spell casters running around de-summoning cities.
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Physcially lean, tall, with a light complexion and light skin. As well as all of this being pretty fairly homogeneous between members of their race, except perhaps with some changes in hair color between some overall goofy colors. Even your picture makes them out to look like perpetual saiyans with leathery bug wings. Per wings:You did say it an explicitly mention the "beauty" of it. The only way this could get any worse if they were still capable of flight.They come across as being a race of Edward Cullen's with wings. Something someone might expect from legend to come down and woo a race's women and steal them off to some place their men would declare horrible. In a world where the writing is sure to be defined by politics carrying their own ugliness, then they don't fit.Per magic: it's a rather abstract and poorly defined concept within the fantasy world, and if it was said "allowed but not over-powered" then we run into a case of what's the limit between acceptable and over-powering spells. Can someone cast magic missile infinitely and it's OK? Do they need to go to the level of the fire-storm summoned at the Battle of the Wraiths in the Witcher 2 franchise?Magic can be too arbitrarily played and too often carries the risk of being a magical fix-all for ailments and problems a characters will face that would be much more interestingly challenged in traditional means then someone casting hocus pocus or magic missile can clear it all out? It's more fit for table-top RPGs, in that way no one has battalions of spell casters running around de-summoning cities.


1) Fairly Homogeneous? I said they looked alike only in face and colors. Take as example eastern ethnicity if you are from Europe or America. I find personally challenging distinguishing one face from another, and they look practically identical to me in some cases. In fact, I mentioned how different the thing goes for those who are used to it.
But really, Sayans? Couldn't you find a more politically-correct comparison? Slender, tall, with light hairs and skin, and you go think of sayans and not elves? Anyway, leaving jokes aside, I think you got the wrong image: they are not necessarily beautiful, paragons of grace and elegance. They are human-like; imperfection is common.

2) Subjectivity probably betrayed me again. I personally find wings of any kind (even bat ones) really beautiful and appealing. Any way, they have no aesthetic purpose; they are used and intended, obviously, to fly. And when i said furry, I apologize, because I lacked some knowledge. I meant, for furry, similar to the juvenile plumage of penguins' cubs.

3) Removing magic mows the basic concept of fantasy for me. Semi/Realistic medieval stories are not the same thing.
Probably the best thing is to force every player to spit out right away every spell they intend to use, so that no problems are created when the Roleplay actually starts.

Last thing: since I feel a tacit and mocking sarcasm beneath your words (may be of course only my imagination), may i ask you to keep a more neutral tone?
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1) Fairly Homogeneous? I said they looked alike only in face and colors. Take as example eastern ethnicity if you are from Europe or America. I find personally challenging distinguishing one face from another, and they look practically identical to me in some cases. In fact, I mentioned how different the thing goes for those who are used to it.But really, Sayans? Couldn't you find a more politically-correct comparison? Slender, tall, with light hairs and skin, and you go think of sayans and not elves? Anyway, leaving jokes aside, I think you got the wrong image: they are not necessarily beautiful, paragons of grace and elegance. They are human-like; imperfection is common.


Then you could have worded it differently, because the way you made them out they're all the clones with all the same characteristics too easily associated with human beauty. Especially the qualities of contemporary beauty which sets off alarm-bells of sexual fantasy over an entire race on broad physical pretenses, added with the light complexion of their hair and skin which often embodies Aryan or Scandinavian beauty.

2) Subjectivity probably betrayed me again. I personally find wings of any kind (even bat ones) really beautiful and appealing. Any way, they have no aesthetic purpose; they are used and intended, obviously, to fly. And when i said furry, I apologize, because I lacked some knowledge. I meant, for furry, similar to the juvenile plumage of penguins' cubs.

You realize wings with elaborate hair or feathers as you're looking for don't actually work, right? Fluff means a lot of added material in the wind which means extra weight. And when a thing in flight is to have a optimal proportion of body weight to wing length (and strength), you add more to the problem by fluffing up the wing's structure by adding more useless feathers or hairs which don't do anything, in much the same way a baby bird can not fly (not just because it doesn't have the strength, but because the feathers themselves are also too bulky and loose).

And to add working wings also implies physically that they're no longer very lean, as you want. When it comes to wings you got to remember you're adding a whole extra set of limbs and muscle structure to the existing human skeleton.


3) Removing magic mows the basic concept of fantasy for me. Semi/Realistic medieval stories are not the same thing.Probably the best thing is to force every player to spit out right away every spell they intend to use, so that no problems are created when the Roleplay actually starts.Last thing: since I feel a tacit and mocking sarcasm beneath your words (may be of course only my imagination), may i ask you to keep a more neutral tone?


You do realize you can have fantasy with minimal or not magic involved right? A Song of Ice and Fire? Though magic comes up in a way there, it's physically very minimal and not present on the surface. It's not to the tier of Harry Potter. And: it works.

Even the roll of magic in Lord of the Rings is pretty much rolled back, with the wizards of the world being few and far between and involving themselves in more proportional things.
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Hey Feigling, how was your trip?

Anyway, could we get a final and definitive decision on magic in the setting?

Also, I'm having some trouble with my sheet, and to be perfectly honest I'm thinking of just scrapping my nation and creating a new one. I just can't think of what to write for the culture section. -.-
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Hey Feigling, how was your trip?Anyway, could we get a final and definitive decision on magic in the setting? Also, I'm having some trouble with my sheet, and to be perfectly honest I'm thinking of just scrapping my nation and creating a new one. I just can't think of what to write for the culture section. -.-


I wasn't keen on the weather - I come from a naturally cold country, so heat is a big no-no for me - and I kept speaking Italian rather than Spanish, but other than that, it was a good trip. Lovely people, good food and some very pretty buildings. Thanks for asking

I think it's a no for magic. Maybe in a later RP, bur not this time. Sorry to anyone who wanted magic.

I'm struggling with my culture section too! Just outline the basic 'vibe' of your nation - perhaps you're a group of eager but naive explorers who have recently founded a country, or maybe you're an ancient, cruel empire that slaughters people for the lulz. Remember you can always add more later.
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Well that sounds like fun; I should visit another country some day. Get out and see new parts of the world. It'd be fun, and it's a pity it's so expensive.

But anyway, I suppose I won't be creating a new nation after all. I managed to get the culture section done for Hanartha; and anyone looking to use marriages for political purposes with the Hanarth will be sorely disappointed. :D

Well, now all I have left to do is the history section and I'm good. But that'll come tomorrow.
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Well that sounds like fun; I should visit another country some day. Get out and see new parts of the world. It'd be fun, and it's a pity it's so expensive.

But anyway, I suppose I won't be creating a new nation after all. I managed to get the culture section done for Hanartha; and anyone looking to use marriages for political purposes with the Hanarth will be sorely disappointed. :D

Now all I have left is the History section, and we'll be good to go.

EDIT: A Double Post? Are you freaking kidding me? I even went back and refreshed the page first to see if it'd gone through first. -.-
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Well that sounds like fun; I should visit another country some day. Get out and see new parts of the world. It'd be fun, and it's a pity it's so expensive.


I went to New Orleans for five days once. That was killer. Even if it was an overcast it was a beautiful trip, with great food, music, and beer.

But anyway, I suppose I won't be creating a new nation after all. I managed to get the culture section done for Hanartha; and anyone looking to use marriages for political purposes with the Hanarth will be sorely disappointed. :D


You say that like you're giving up, then continue like you're not. I'm sorely confused :P.

And I don't think anyone will really push political marriages in this. In my experience in this genre of RP no one's interested in the implications or leaving the fate of their nation to one birth and assassination. Nor has anyone decided that as a way to leave they'll pit their nation into a personal union with another.
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Well that sounds like fun; I should visit another country some day. Get out and see new parts of the world. It'd be fun, and it's a pity it's so expensive.


I went to New Orleans for five days once. That was killer. Even if it was an overcast it was a beautiful trip, with great food, music, and beer.

But anyway, I suppose I won't be creating a new nation after all. I managed to get the culture section done for Hanartha; and anyone looking to use marriages for political purposes with the Hanarth will be sorely disappointed. :D


You say that like you're giving up, then continue like you're not. I'm sorely confused :P.

And I don't think anyone will really push political marriages in this. In my experience in this genre of RP no one's interested in the implications or leaving the fate of their nation to one birth and assassination. Nor has anyone decided that as a way to leave they'll pit their nation into a personal union with another.
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Well that sounds like fun; I should visit another country some day. Get out and see new parts of the world. It'd be fun, and it's a pity it's so expensive.


I went to New Orleans for five days this passed year. It's an awesome place to be. Great music, food, and beer (of course). Post-mardi gras and pre-summer NOLA is a good time to be there.

Even if it was overcast the full five days.

But anyway, I suppose I won't be creating a new nation after all. I managed to get the culture section done for Hanartha; and anyone looking to use marriages for political purposes with the Hanarth will be sorely disappointed. :D


You say this like you're giving up, then continue like you're staying true. What is it!? :P

Also, I doubt people would have gone for marriages to that effect anyways. In my experience in this genre I haven't seen anyone pursue and fill out marriages between rulers or even the royal families. Even if as a way to allow them to step out from the RP for good by effectively signing two nations over to one in a personal union.
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Well that sounds like fun; I should visit another country some day. Get out and see new parts of the world. It'd be fun, and it's a pity it's so expensive.


I went to New Orleans for five days this passed year. It's an awesome place to be. Great music, food, and beer (of course). Post-mardi gras and pre-summer NOLA is a good time to be there.

Even if it was overcast the full five days.

But anyway, I suppose I won't be creating a new nation after all. I managed to get the culture section done for Hanartha; and anyone looking to use marriages for political purposes with the Hanarth will be sorely disappointed. :D


You say this like you're giving up, then continue like you're staying true. What is it!? :P

Also, I doubt people would have gone for marriages to that effect anyways. In my experience in this genre I haven't seen anyone pursue and fill out marriages between rulers or even the royal families. Even if as a way to allow them to step out from the RP for good by effectively signing two nations over to one in a personal union.
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Well that sounds like fun; I should visit another country some day. Get out and see new parts of the world. It'd be fun, and it's a pity it's so expensive.


I went to New Orleans for five days this passed year. It's an awesome place to be. Great music, food, and beer (of course). Post-mardi gras and pre-summer NOLA is a good time to be there.

Even if it was overcast the full five days.

But anyway, I suppose I won't be creating a new nation after all. I managed to get the culture section done for Hanartha; and anyone looking to use marriages for political purposes with the Hanarth will be sorely disappointed. :D


You say this like you're giving up, then continue like you're staying true. What is it!? :P

Also, I doubt people would have gone for marriages to that effect anyways. In my experience in this genre I haven't seen anyone pursue and fill out marriages between rulers or even the royal families. Even if as a way to allow them to step out from the RP for good by effectively signing two nations over to one in a personal union.
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Well that sounds like fun; I should visit another country some day. Get out and see new parts of the world. It'd be fun, and it's a pity it's so expensive.


I went to New Orleans for five days this passed year. It's an awesome place to be. Great music, food, and beer (of course). Post-mardi gras and pre-summer NOLA is a good time to be there.

Even if it was overcast the full five days.

But anyway, I suppose I won't be creating a new nation after all. I managed to get the culture section done for Hanartha; and anyone looking to use marriages for political purposes with the Hanarth will be sorely disappointed. :D


You say this like you're giving up, then continue like you're staying true. What is it!? :P

Also, I doubt people would have gone for marriages to that effect anyways. In my experience in this genre I haven't seen anyone pursue and fill out marriages between rulers or even the royal families. Even if as a way to allow them to step out from the RP for good by effectively signing two nations over to one in a personal union.
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Ok, I looked through a few apps. There is some cleaning up to do, I'm afraid.

First, the 'game vs. story' thing, I personally prefer story. A lot of people make the mistake of assuming that when two armies face off, it's all or nothing - just you and your troops versus the enemy and their troops over a crucial point that without, the whole campaign falls apart - NCR vs. Legion, if you'll forgive the New Vegas reference.
But the Greek states united against the Persians. France, England and Germany united during the crusades. The 'Auld Alliance' gave Scotland several crucial French-funded advantages during its fight against England. Some people side with the underdog whilst others side with the favourite, for varying reasons - loyalty, fear, religion, mutual advantage, etc. It won't ever be 1v1 out there.

Also remember armies don't just contain soldiers. They need blacksmiths, town guards, trainers, medics, messengers, scouts and at least a dozen more classes of non-combatant.

That said, numbers depend on culture and wealth. If you are a warlike, tribal nation, you will likely have more troops per civillian than a more peaceful, but far richer nation, but they will also be worse off.

If any of you play Warhammer 40k - both nerdy and unrealistic, I know - imagine I said "Orks vs Eldar - who wins?"
You could guess, but the answer will always be 'it depends'. Where are they fighting? How many of each type is there? What equipment do they have? And so on and so forth. Everyone knows a Screaming Banshee would dominate a lone Ork Boy in combat, but what about a Nob? Or a Warlord? Or 50 Boyz?

To add even more consideration, remember an army doesn't just fight - it trains, it protects and it studies. Your men need holidays occasionally, and maybe you could spare a squad or two to go help that explorer. Perhaps you want to recruit more troops - you'll need soldiers to do that. And if your soldier isn't there for the fight, he misses it. Very rarely will the whole army fight another whole army. There may be skirmishes, quick deathmatches that mean nothing to the war as a whole, but will add up over time. They'll need to take positions, make friends and keep a steady supply of food and water close at hand before they even think about fighting.

Also, races. No general 'they're all beautiful' races. Every race should have its stunners and its dogs. They can have similiar features, but think about it like this - Caucasians have wide eyes and pale skin, Eastern Asians have darker skin and thinner eyes. Both races have their attractive people and ugly people, but they have similiar aesthetic traits to other Caucasians and Asians. An ugly Asian will still have the darker skin as an attractive Asian, just like a pretty Caucasian shares her wider eyes with her ugly sister. But not all Asians are beautiful, nor are they all ugly. Same with Caucasians. Same with Hispanics and Africans and Middle-eastern people. So too, then, should your races have variety in their looks.

As for wings - flight + ranged weapon = an unstoppable army. Give an angel a crossbow and you have the fantasy equivalent of a bomber with no AA to take it down. The only way to beat it is to have another flying creature to counter it. Have something that limits them e.g. flight is short ranged, flight doesn't go very high, they can't carry weapons while flying, so on and so forth, to make flying creatures a bit less OP.
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Dinh AaronMk said
You say this like you're giving up, then continue like you're staying true. What is it!? :P Also, I doubt people would have gone for marriages to that effect anyways. In my experience in this genre I haven't seen anyone pursue and fill out marriages between rulers or even the royal families. Even if as a way to allow them to step out from the RP for good by effectively signing two nations over to one in a personal union.


I was planning on making a new nation, but I managed to pull through and actually put my thoughts down on paper and get the cultural section for Hanartha done. So I'm sticking with Hanartha. And about the marriage thing, that is true I suppose. A pity, though.
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Dinh AaronMk said
You say this like you're giving up, then continue like you're staying true. What is it!? :P Also, I doubt people would have gone for marriages to that effect anyways. In my experience in this genre I haven't seen anyone pursue and fill out marriages between rulers or even the royal families. Even if as a way to allow them to step out from the RP for good by effectively signing two nations over to one in a personal union.


I was planning on making a new nation, but I managed to pull through and actually put my thoughts down on paper and get the cultural section for Hanartha done. So I'm sticking with Hanartha. And about the marriage thing, that is true I suppose. A pity, though.
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Dinh AaronMk said
You say this like you're giving up, then continue like you're staying true. What is it!? :PAlso, I doubt people would have gone for marriages to that effect anyways. In my experience in this genre I haven't seen anyone pursue and fill out marriages between rulers or even the royal families. Even if as a way to allow them to step out from the RP for good by effectively signing two nations over to one in a personal union.


I was going to give up and create a new nation from scratch, but I managed to put my thoughts into actual words and get the culture section pretty much done. And that was the part that was giving me so much trouble, so I'm sticking with Hanartha. And as for the marriage thing, that is true enough. Unfortunate, but true nonetheless.
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You say this like you're giving up, then continue like you're staying true. What is it!? :PAlso, I doubt people would have gone for marriages to that effect anyways. In my experience in this genre I haven't seen anyone pursue and fill out marriages between rulers or even the royal families. Even if as a way to allow them to step out from the RP for good by effectively signing two nations over to one in a personal union.


I was going to give up and create a new nation from scratch, but I managed to put my thoughts into actual words and get the culture section pretty much done. And that was the part that was giving me so much trouble, so I'm sticking with Hanartha. And as for the marriage thing, that is true enough. Unfortunate, but true nonetheless.

And there is something seriously wrong with this freaking site. This is the third or fourth time I've tried posting this and it refuses to go through. And if it ends up posting it a bunch of times I'm gonna be seriously irritated. Because I've been going back to see if it was posted after each time trying.
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