I don't remember discussing an ability to teleport only a single part of himself... I don't even remember that being implied.

i meant we talked about how he teleports, and really i only keep calling it teleporting due to not being able to thing of a better word for it. realistically he's not teleporting, more breaking himself down into partials moving himself around then reforming himself in whatever order he feels fits the situation, meaning that due to the method used it would be very easy to only break down a part of himself or reform part of himself separately, but through this method there is also the risk of loosing the limb if it gets separated from the shadows supporting it.

if he took his arm off, and a strong light hit his shoulder he'd start to bleed and feel pain as if the arm had been taken off by a blade, if the light hit the arm while it was formed away from him it would also act like it had been cut off. he can fix it with shadows but he needs more time than he would have in a fight and if left to long the arm would be beyond being able to re-attach, he could just as easily bleed out and die from his shoulder.

My question is how he keps magically knowing when my guy is going to attack. Now the shunt was maybe plausible due to the fact it was a close quarters attack, but he Is a good ways away from you and just fired a single shot at your head. His innate ability to sense whats going to happen from everywhere then able to "teleport" every other turn is more than a little OP considering that

A. He is in the middle of combat and talking. I don't care who you are keeping up with that and noticing a guy who is trying to snipe you is really not feasible.

B. Take into consideration his current wounds. He was recently shoulder bashed by a metal warrior moving at mach 1, then he was bugzapped by Arthur. At the very least his perception would be dulled by the pain and more than likely his reflexes as well. Immense physical trauma and electricity both put enormous strain on the body, and getting it to respond with super human speed after that much damage doesn't really seem feasible.

To be fair, it doesn't seem all that fair to snipe someone with a killing shot in a single turn.

my guy is a marksman its what he was designed to do. He has one CQC weapon and that's a nine inch knife. Shooting someone with precision while they are not expecting, while not the most valiant of moves, is an acceptable one. On top of the fact that as previously mentioned ive attempted to engage him and did do damage on top of what Arthur did so I fired what is a potentially killing blow.

I didn't say it wasn't valid. I just said that it didn't seem fair..

neither does catching grenades then lobbing them back at the guy but hey its valid so it counts.

Max Shadow said
i meant we talked about how he teleports, and really i only keep calling it teleporting due to not being able to thing of a better word for it. realistically he's not teleporting, more breaking himself down into partials moving himself around then reforming himself in whatever order he feels fits the situation, meaning that due to the method used it would be very easy to only break down a part of himself or reform part of himself separately, but through this method there is also the risk of loosing the limb if it gets separated from the shadows supporting it. if he took his arm off, and a strong light hit his shoulder he'd start to bleed and feel pain as if the arm had been taken off by a blade, if the light hit the arm while it was formed away from him it would also act like it had been cut off. he can fix it with shadows but he needs more time than he would have in a fight and if left to long the arm would be beyond being able to re-attach, he could just as easily bleed out and die from his shoulder.

Regardless of what he might be capable of, augmenting an ability to this degree this late in a fight is PGing. The ability was accepted under the restriction that he can turn to shadow once every two turns, not turn to shadow as much as he wants so long as all of him doesn't turn. If that were allowed, he could avoid any and every attack that wasn't area of effect, especially given his miraculous ability to know when and where any attack will come from, regardless of his current mental or physical condition.

his vision is what is allowing him to predict the attacks. with it not being really connected to his body taking hits wouldn't do all that much to impact it, and with the amount of shadows around he can see easier. add that to it being a passive ability that allows him to focus on more than one person at a time and his own experience as a hunter/warrior and the caution that would come with the injury that cost him his actual eyes and knowing that he's already been sneak attacked once by the character that tried shooting at him and then again right after by the other character it stands to reason that he'd be keeping an eye out for another one.

and to be honest had i remembered to put it in earlier it wouldn't even be him with the ultimate say in the matter, as realistically his shadow powers are controlled by the symbiote that gave him the powers.

as for the teleport i'll fix that later today, not agreeing that you're right, i'm really just over all the debating that keeps slowing down the entire thread.

quiet, please remember to post this time, or you will be dropped due to inactivity.

What shadows?

And what symbiote? You're adding new (or previously unmentioned) abilities to try and justify what he's doing, and that's the very definition of PGing.

first off, i see plenty of shadows on the ground in that pic, just around that tree. that tree that we've moved away from. with where all the characters have moved since the start of the fight it's gotten closer to and even gone past the edge of the clearing into where the thicker tree cover would provide more shadows. (the shadows of the branches, leaves on the trees, under leaves on the ground that make up the dead fall, are three examples if you need them)

and second had you read that clearly rather than just trying to jump all over me for it you'd have seen tat part where i wrote "had i remembered to put it in" you'd have hopefully realized that i forgot to put that into the sheet when it was written up and as such it wasn't put in. that entire line is referencing how the character normally is compared to how he is this time.

nothing was added other than a tiny bit of useless information that in no way impacts anyone or thing.

True, there are shadows, but they're not very dark ones. If he only uses shadows to see, his vision in this forest at midday would be little better than the vision of a normal person in a car park lit only by sporadic candles. That was the point I was making.

As for things that were added, there was the entire subset of his matter transmission ability that you claimed allowed him to use it with no cooldown so long as he didn't completely dematerialize, then proceeded to abuse the ability even further by grabbing two solid objects, either while still intangible or by re-materializing then de-materializing a second time in a single post. That's a bit more than a tiny bit of useless information that in no way impacts anyone or anything.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I'm only asking that you stick to the abilities that were approved, and the way they were approved to function.

if that is the point you're making then make that point. all you said was "What shadows?" talking as if there was no shadows around. and the point i made in response is that the shadows don't have to be dark for him to see from them, they just have to be there.wile he would see better with darker shadows the number of them that litter places like forests, especially on the ground where all the dead fall is laying, he would have more than enough to grasp his surroundings better than any normal person would.

and again, if you're making a point, then make it. this time your said "And what symbiote? You're adding new (or previously unmentioned) abilities to try and justify what he's doing, and that's the very definition of PGing." with how you worded it you drew all attention to the symbiote making it sound like the entire sentence is focused on that rather than something that wasn't mentioned at all then acting as if i was supposed to magically put them together. especially after i said that i was taking out and by extension completely removing the thing you're complaining about. not admitting either of us are wrong due to it being a difference of interpenetration of the ability that's causing the issue and my own dislike of debating like this to the point of the actual fight being less and less fun for myself as the posts get further and further apart.

considering you were saying sorry for being like spock when it comes to these things a while back this is more than just an oversight. it comes across as you trying to make me look like a fool by comparison by deliberately misleading my response so that you can make a reply like you did for the second half. as for the first half you put your own limitations in that don't exist and claimed environmental factors that have not once been fully established. while in the picture it is sunny it only shows a limited view and doesn't include the area that the fight has moved to, meaning that other than showing part of the fight area and the momentary weather. (as a storm could easily be moving in from the direction of the picture along with more than a few other environmental factors that could happen) i hate to ask while i'm on the matter but have you ever been in a forest? i mean i technically haven't since here in australia we more have bushland than forests (although from my understanding they're essentially different names for the same thing from images and what i have seen in nature shows) but when in the bushland even in midday with clear a sky the second you enter the treeline there are thousands of shadows around you from the trees alone, not counting rocks, dead fall, fallen branches, termite mounds, fallen trees, non-tree plant life or differences in the height of the ground itself. saying that "his vision in this forest at midday would be little better than the vision of a normal person in a car park lit only by sporadic candles" is basically saying that it's not a forest, it's a big field with some trees scattered around it.

I grew up in a forest. I know exactly what they're like. If you'd like to get into a debate on the detailed specifics of shadows, I can do that. Technically, all a shadow is is a place that has less light than the places around it, which would essentially give your character an awareness of the entire universe except the portion surrounding the brightest star. A shadow isn't an actual thing, it's just what we call a place where there is noticeably less light than the places around it. Taken to its logical conclusion, his ability to see shadows gives him something very near to omniscience, which would be a blatantly overpowered ability.

My point here is that you can pretty much say he can see anything anywhere and get away with it due to the ambiguity of the power itself, and the fact that a logical progression cannot be applied to the power without making the situation even worse. As the thread creator, this is ultimately your playground, but as the other guy who reviews the abilities, I've had a bad feeling about most of the stuff your character can do from the beginning. I didn't bring most of it up then because I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you've demonstrated twice now that you have no problem ignoring the constraints placed on your character and his abilities (the first time when you dematerialized two posts in a row, and this time when you dematerialized to grab the weapons then did it again to return). The fact that you changed it after getting called on it is irrelevant, since it clearly wasn't just a bout of forgetfulness. Not after happening twice.

I understand that it saps the fun out of fights when debates like this keep happening, but the rules and limitations laid out for the character were very clear. To quote your amended CS: "turning into a shadow is used to avoid otherwise fatal attacks, avoid attention or maneuver for an attack. both have a one turn cooldown after use and only last for the turn they are used in." That is the ability that was approved, and nowhere does it say anything about partial transformation, or reaching out with a partially transformed limb to retrieve something. Twice now you've very clearly broken the rules, and yet you seem to think that it's my fault these debates keep happening.

i am not saying that you are starting them i'm just saying that i'm getting tired of it. if you had issues with my character from the start then the free pass to check it i gave you was the best time to speak up, not now roughly 3 months later when it's becoming an issue to you. as for the two incidents you brought up, the first was simply an accident caused because i forgot a detail i'd added to the cs. the second is, from my point of view, a conflict born of conflicting understandings of the same thing. as for your quote of what is in the character sheet of my character you should have also gone page searching for the time you and i discussed the specifics of how he teleports since that would help with the understanding of what was being spoken of and again has been removed. no matter how many times you bring it up i feel no need to explain it further or to be honest talk about it due to having removed it from the rp.

and as for his vision while yes is does have the potential to do as you've stated, and could be if i'd made the character stronger. but for this the way it is being implemented is not all that different from the way Vordak's character used his vision, keeping it restricted inside the battlefield but for the moment focused on the two people attacking him. and realistically it is less reliable than your own characters ability to detect electricity inside bodies and for some unexplained reason matter in general around him leaving him able to do the exact same thing my character did only faster and against anyone in the fight whether visible or not rather than just those he's aware off. those with any kind of camo he can't see as easily if at all through the shadows as he see's like a normal person through them, only really able to see people with camo trough his sense of smell.

speaking of your character something has been bugging me. what kind of weaknesses if any does your character have? because through the numerous times i've read your sheet during the debates we've had i haven't found anything that he is weak against short of bleeding to death somehow or being remotely impaled through his weakest point which would be his sides or belly, since they make up the only part of his body more than a few inches from the bone which makes his skin harder.

he's resistant to: heat
he's resistant to: cold
he's resistant to: blunt force trauma
he's resistant to: bullets (mentioned specifically)
he's resistant to: edged weapons, though not as much
he's resistant to: pain, able to dull anything that doesn't hit a main nerve
he's immune to: electricity
able to survive without air and then come back un-effected once air is returned.
able to survive without food/water, normally needed for hydration due to the body requiring it and used as fuel to create energy in the body
able to attack with electricity through any conductive weapon that is used against him
equivilant of 360 degree instant detection, works upto/over 100 meters

that's just what i can remember without checking your sheet again. and i can't really think of any weakness in there that isn't covered by what i said before it.

The 360 degree detection only works within 10 meters. Beyond that he can only sense electrical systems, so he wouldn't be able to sense your character's mist form unless he was within 10 meters, for instance. It works by saturating the environment in his vicinity with a very low-level electrical field, tuned to his specific variation of bio-electricity. It has no effect on the environment, but when an object passes through it he can detect that disturbance. He was also unable to sense LeeRoy's character, due to him being an undead zombie animated by black magic instead of the normal electrical impulses of the nervous system. This ability has a logical progression to it, and thus weaknesses can be deduced and utilized. Is it easy? No. Can every character do it? Not necessarily. But it makes a certain amount of sense and is congruent with the way the rest of his abilities work. Whether it was overpowered or not was up to you, and you deemed it not. Everything it can do was clearly outlined in the CS, and accepted. The same is not even remotely true of your shadow vision or mist form ability and the ways you've attempted to utilize them. There is no comparison here.

As for all the other things you mention, those too, were very clearly outlined in the CS, and accepted. I have not attempted to use my character's abilities in any way that was not congruent with the information given in his CS, which again, you accepted. If you want to send all the CS's back to the drawing board, that's up to you, but until then I would really appreciate it if everyone would just stick to the things that are in their approved character sheets. This is why detail is the fundamental tenant of a good character sheet for a combat RP. It prevents people from ending up in arguments like this one when someone uses an ability in a way that they think is fine but was never approved because it wasn't in the CS.

quiet i'm dropping you due to inactivity, Schradinger it's you post.

Thats probably for the best.

Good luck.

drallinix you have till the end of the day or you'll be skipped.

Did Max just release two charged attacks in a single post?