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Hidden 10 yrs ago Post by drallinix
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so this is my last character cuz Adrian bores me to play at this point.

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There is no intermediate tier, you gotta give a number. Or are you just leaving it up to LeeRoy to judge the tier?

Well, my commentary at first glance:
- You gave no actual time estimation on the molecular reconstruction. Give us an x seconds/kg or something.
- You say his pistols shoot lasers. Is that actual lasers or frickin' lasers? Best not call something a laser if it isn't.
- Overall, i feel like this character's power level is way too vaguely defined, and his skillset leaves tremendous room for batmanning. I wouldn't know what tier to name him, nor a convenient way for you to better define him. I just hope LeeRoy or Schradinger have better insight in that.
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the lasers are meant to be like bullets made of the energy type he is using, and the armor adapts to whatever is striking it so the seconds isn't needed. If you shoot it, then it will change fast enough to absorb the impact. To make it fair his stats as far as strength and speed are very controlled. I didn't know what tier to put him in but five or six seems about where.
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He's OP even for T7. His energy absorption allows him to take far more than the long long range artillery bombardment mentioned as the T7 durability limit, and morever, he will explode afterwards with force exceeding the T7 power limits. There is literaly no may for the majority, if not all arena participants to kill him without making him KERBLOOOOM!!11, since it absorbs any type of energy, rite? How am i even supposed to WANT to fight that?

The mater transformation is also plenty dodgy. What stops him from turning the whole battlefield into one big explosive and then make it boom while chilling out in his energy absorbing suit? Or turn everything into plasma? Or turn his opponent into a penguin?
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I wasn't talking about the suit's defensive ability, but the ability to reshape things it touches.

And, well, everything Vordak said. Even if you don't count kinetic energy as energy and thus don't have it absorbed by the suit (which i assume is the case), how many characters are there at that level that use purely physical attacks? Anyone without powerful physical attacks would be fighting a loss-loss situation against him. His physical defence, in turn, may or may not be overpowered, it's hard to tell. You use kevlar and diamond as examples, but even in real life there are substances vastly more capable of stopping such attacks. Let alone in a scifi world, who knows what kind of compounds the suit has already absorbed and can conjure up to block attacks.

Which brings up the problem of absorbing new compounds. If he ever touches Wolverine's claws, will he learn to transform his suit into adamantium, making him nigh invulnerable? Wolverine isn't in this arena, but you get the point. He's probably gonna get exposed to a lot of fantastical substances, so the ability to absorb them is gonna make his power level skyrocket sooner or later.
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Well a Dreamer would be challenged facing that suit in combat and thats a Tier 8 character. Just saying.
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I have some ideas for limitations that I'll sum up and post after work, which should help bring the suit down to a reasonable level.
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well I specifically stated that the only elements he starts knowing are the ones on our periodic table of earth, he can assimilate more if he finds them during a match, someone with a sword made of some kind of special sword that he could scan for example. He cant absorb kinetic energy from strikes because that is to OP even I know that, and I limited the amount of energy types he could absorb at one time as two. Noone is going to put enough energy into him that it will make him go nuclear. They would have to stand there for like six post and pump an enormous amount of energy at him. By matter transformation I stated that the larger and more complex it takes more time to do. All that being said ill wait till schradinger post what he thinks then edit him.
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Ok, I'd start by taking out the matter manipulation entirely, or reducing it to only a few very specific functions. In order to be of any utility in a fight, he'd have to be able to transmute several cubed feet of matter in seconds, and that rate would also be affected by the density of the material being shifted as well as the density it was being shifted to, along with the MASSIVE power requirements to achieve the fission necessary to break the atoms apart, then the fusion necessary to put them back together (and somehow prevent everything from exploding). The suit would probably have to be producing more energy than it can safely store in order to power that one feature. As a superpower, atom manipulation is a different issue, but to achieve it on such a scale with tech would be an astronomical feat well beyond the capabilities of a tier 7 suit of armor.

For the energy absorption, I'd start by adding a cooldown for switching between types of energy. For instance, he could absorb heat and electricity, but would be unable to absorb other types of energy for two turns afterwards (during which time he could still absorb the initial energy types, provided they do not exceed his storage level).

Regarding the storage level itself, it depends how long the city could be powered by the suit but it may not be as large an amount as you think. If we could collect all the energy from a single bolt of lightning, we could apparently power all of New York for one second. Technically, that counts as powering a city (and new york is a much more populous city than most). I'd start by giving a more specific example of how much the suit can store, then removing the nuclear explosion ability. That part is akin to Arthur releasing a massive electrical surge upon death that kills everyone within a mile of him. It's overpowered, and really kind of a dick move. If you get defeated, you're defeated. You can't have one last final "F*ck you!" attack that your opponent has no hope of surviving. Instead, just have the suit slowly bleed off the excess energy when it gets close to overload.

Finally, the maximum amount of energy he can hold should not exceed the amount that an equal tiered opponent could exert if they put all their power into an attack (you'll just have to guesstimate this part though).
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Allright, and for th matter manipulation I mostly meant that he could pick up you know some dirt and turn it into a sword if he wanted. Also what about the ability to adapt that's what makes the suit decent. Ill put a more definite amount on the energy, take out the nuclear part. It was mostly because no one is supposed to just dump enough energy into him to make him go nuclear. But allright ill change it.

EDIT: also what about the assimilation of new elements into its databanks, that way it can constantly evolve?
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Without limitations, he could also pick up that same dirt and turn it into a fusion bomb. Without super strict (and very specific) limitations on an ability like that, its way above any of the tiers in LeeRoy's list. Even with those limitations, it's still a really powerful ability on its own, even without the energy absorption, cloaking, and firearms.

As far as constant evolution, it's an awesome ability to have in a story setting, but in an arena setting it means that he'll just be getting more and more powerful until nobody else in the RP can even scratch him, much less beat him. Constant evolution, I'm afraid, is an arena-breaking ability. Adaptation, on the other hand (reacting to specific threats based on pre-determined capabilities), is entirely possible given sufficient limitations and vulnerabilities.
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allright then ill edit.
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As a side note, having him only able to absorb two types of energy at a time is a fairly pointless restriction. Just thermal and electrical energy energy covers 99% of characters. It's not really a problem now that the CS is nerfed, just pointing it out.
I also wonder what happens if he's hit by cold-based attacks. Does it drain his energy?
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The constant adaptation issue hasn't been fixed either. He can still assimilate any material he touches (including that of nigh-indestructible weaponry), giving him adaptive capabilities that can push him past tier 7.

I'm also pretty sure that a tier 7 wouldn't be able to power a city for a month. Or even a week. That's a MASSIVE amount of energy, and the suit would functionally never be in danger of overloading.
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allright im not good at gestimation whats a good estimate for a T5 for the power and I thought I removed the assimilation feature.
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Also as for cold based attacks im assuming he could absorb that energy as well, as long as it didn't violate his two types at a time.
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Well, i mention it because coldness is literally a lack of energy. The suit would have to expend energy to keep itself and the person inside from freezing, opposite to what it does when protecting from fire. Of course, applying video game physics instead doesn't hurt, as long as it's established up front, which is it now.
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Well, Arty's a tier 5 and he can expend enough energy to power a city for two seconds, but he's not at the top range of energy projection. I'd say probably half a minute would be okay.

You probably just missed it, but there was a blurb about the assimilation in the absorption section.

And as Lalliman said, cold is a lack of energy. Absorbing anything from it would just make it worse.
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ok so cold will instantly skullfuck him, and ill take the assimilation part out, I forgot it was in there.
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Not instantly. He'll still have whatever insulation properties the suit possesses, it just won't feed his energy reserves.
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