Classy. At least this time I only had to read your post once for it to make sense.

Yeah, I meant to read over my posts before I post them; but, It seems that I forgot. Oh well, I got to remind myself about it again.

The incoherence wasn't the primary point being made... Let me spell it out really, really clearly for you: it's kinda impolite and classless to constantly reference how much better you think Iwaku is while you're on this forum. Stop doing it.

Halo is pretty much on point about this. But I figured it didn't bear clarifying because I assumed Rare intentionally missed the point. Also holy balls the rest of this thread is getting a little out of hand. I think it's safe to say it's a disagreement on not only what spam needs (which is murky anyway, I don't think anyone here is accurate about what will or won't generate activity), but on the fundamental premise of Gwazi having anything to do with that. To have a debate that isn't circular you'd have to get him to agree on the central premise before you try to address why/how he does it or why/how he should stop. So I guess what I'm getting at is please continue, because I think I'm only showing that I'm out of touch with the spirit of forum debates. But I'm still going to click the post reply button. I know showing you all my thought process is totally interesting and relevant. :)

It was nothing to do with whether Gwazi is good for activity or not, even though I don't believe he is. If you look back, this discussion started when he accused me of having a, uh, "hate boner" for him and that was the only reason I was annoyed at his incessant posting spree. I don't particularly care whether Gwazi is good for Spam or not, because that's just subjective, but the mindless, inane crap he was spouting everywhere was doing nobody, including him, any favours. I'm only even replying here to clarify that although I might not like Gwazi, I don't think that gives me the right to run him out of Spam if he's insistent on staying. The exception is if the way he's getting on everyone's nerves starts to be intentional, rather than an unfortunate byproduct of him being him, or in other words if he's trolling and/or spamming. i.e. what he's been doing incessantly until you turned up and gave him a way to gracefully bow out of it without 'conceding defeat' in his 'war' against people like me, who have already said they're not fans of him. __________ Gwazi, does the above demonstrate that not every bit of criticism coming your way is purely fuelled by irrational hate? I've stated many times what problems I have with you, so at no point has it ever been a case of mindless loathing as you've implied. I wouldn't get along with anybody who acts the way you do. And if you want further proof, you don't need to look further than the fact that we've been clashing for way longer than this Spam-wide disavowal of you started - I can't be "jumping on the bandwagon". So if you want to blindly brush off any negative comments from people you don't know, fine; it will get you nowhere in life, but fine. But when it comes to people who logically must have some genuine bone to pick with you, you can't accuse them of having "hate boners". Sometimes you have to accept that their opinions of you are valid, and are caused by you. And sometimes (not always, but sometimes) it can be beneficial to take some of those criticisms on board. I'm sure you can see the issue with a person ignoring all negative comments about them for their whole life, no? But that's what you're doing right now. So there aren't any negative comments about you in this post. Hopefully you'll listen? Look, I was a part of the goddamn original pointless thread when I came to Spam; I didn't get the best start here and I irritated a lot of people. They had a go at me for my faults, and at first it upset me - and then I decided fuck 'em, the pointless subcommunity like me, I'm having fun, and to avoid taking it personally I ended up... not trolling, per se, but certainly prodding the beehive with a stick. And then last of all, I actually tried listening, because that was the only thing left to do, and realised that some of what they were saying was probably true. Bela in particular said some things that made a lot of sense. I realised that I had three paths ahead of me: 1) To leave Spam because I wasn't getting along with people and it's illogical to stay in a community you don't like and who don't like you unless you're a troll; 2) To stay in Spam but keep acting the exact same way, and not getting along with people, and become a social pariah; or 3) to try to study the community, listen to them and their gripes with me, and reflect on what they said so I could tailor my content to what would be of interest to people here - just as you talk differently to your grandmother than to your best mate. I did the third. Make your choice already, Gwazi, and please don't let it be 2). That does nothing for nobody. I think I'm about done with this. But look - Gwazi, this is my 'peace offering' or whatever. An honest approach, spelling the messages out clearly, rather than attempting to make it obvious through disparaging comments. No name-calling or whatever. Please just take it on board and at the very least stop the endless spamming. Being the last replier to every single thread on the front page... well done, you've made me beg, you win, whatever; just please, stop that.

I know. It was like I said earlier though, I have tried constantly to be on better terms with spam. But it's hit the point where I'm not going to keep beating myself up for people not liking who I am. Not to say I'm vilifying people here, see anyone here as less, have a strong dislike of anyone here, or see this as some sort of battle. I legitimately don't, hate for people is honestly exhausting. There's better things I can do then invest a feeling of hate towards people, or even that strong a disliking. I just decided enough was enough in trying to appease to people who clearly didn't care for the thought, effort or attempt. But yea, offer of peace accepted. May we see a more glorious spam together. @Every post activity: Being perfectly honest? That's just how I get at times when I have a lot of time on my hands. That's not me being hostile, or launching an attack. That's just what happens when I get active. It's how I was in the top ten posters of Old Guild. And it's something I did in Old Guild also, it's just that everyone else was also more active then so it didn't stand/pop out as much.

Halo is so buttmad, man. Does anyone realize how buttmad this guy is? Like, holy shit, so fucking buttmad.

Confession. that Rilla guy is amazing. I thank DID this wrong. I wish I could explore old guild. I want Allaria back. Shire guy. find it for me. <3

I'd have to know what it is, first, and where to look.

Fantasy RP. Advanced. Character Sheets - Allaria. Find it, my son

Number 56 Lol

Yeah, the Spam Skype community is still alive, but there aren't as many of us as there used to be. Brovo left and took a few cronies with him (good riddance) and others just disappeared.

5$ says I know where they went.

derpbaters

Thanks. Also, how come every thread Gwazi posts in turns into a 'FUCKYOUGWAZI2015' thread? I know you guys mostly despise him and stuff but damn, it's like every thread he's in turns into a shitstorm. Then again, knowing Spam, the threads are gonna be derailed ANYWAY.

Hey gwazi,we made someone mad with the hair thread

Also, how come every thread Gwazi posts in turns into a 'FUCKYOUGWAZI2015' thread? I know you guys mostly despise him and stuff but damn, it's like every thread he's in turns into a shitstorm. Then again, knowing Spam, the threads are gonna be derailed ANYWAY.

Reminds me of the Joke thread incident a while back >Le me makes joke thread >Le spam goes "OMG! Y U MAKE ARGUEMENT!?" >Le me reminds people it's a joke thread >Le spam goes "OMG SEE!? US YELLING CLEARLY SHOWS THAT GWAZI CAUSED THIS ARGUMENT AND NOT US!!!" Now once again. I admit I'm not 100% innocent. I play a decent amount of the role/influence in some of spams arguments. But it has seriously gotten to the point where I don't even need to post, and spam will start an argument and find a way to blame me for it. It's the Gwaziarchy!

Hey gwazi,we made someone mad with the hair thread

We've done it!

Also, how come every thread Gwazi posts in turns into a 'FUCKYOUGWAZI2015' thread? I know you guys mostly despise him and stuff but damn, it's like every thread he's in turns into a shitstorm. Then again, knowing Spam, the threads are gonna be derailed ANYWAY.

Reminds me of the Joke thread incident a while back >Le me makes joke thread >Le spam goes "OMG! Y U MAKE ARGUEMENT!?" >Le me reminds people it's a joke thread >Le spam goes "OMG SEE!? US YELLING CLEARLY SHOWS THAT GWAZI CAUSED THIS ARGUMENT AND NOT US!!!" Now once again. I admit I'm not 100% innocent. I play a decent amount of the role/influence in some of spams arguments. But it has seriously gotten to the point where I don't even need to post, and spam will start an argument and find a way to blame me for it. It's the Gwaziarchy!

If I remember correctly, I do believe you made a tasteless joke and someone called you out on it. You played the victim and more people called you out on it. Then you said that we shouldn't take it seriously, even though spam was calling you out for making a dumb, unfunny joke. After that was the argument about you arguing, which was resolved by Sherlock closing the thread.

It was a joke that entered territory that some people found offensive. Which some people naturally got offended by, and the reputation spam's given only served to multiply the intensity, frequency and 'justification' of said offended feelings. But even then there were multiple people who called out the offended people going "Guys, Gwazi made a joke. Relax". Hell, this part here: >Le me makes joke thread >Le spam goes "OMG! Y U MAKE ARGUEMENT!?" >Le me reminds people it's a joke thread >Le spam goes "OMG SEE!? US YELLING CLEARLY SHOWS THAT GWAZI CAUSED THIS ARGUMENT AND NOT US!!!" Was actually referencing a post someone else had made (I forget who) who was pointing out how the argument was being caused by Spam acting offending and looking for a fight, and not by anything I myself did. And obviously Sherlock closed down the thread. The Guild has a tendency for closing threads that dissolves into conflict (no matter who started it). And given the history between me and spam? Name one time spam (as whole, not individuals) has actually chosen to back down and stop yelling about an accusation towards me, rather than keeping it up. Once again, I admit I cause a decent among of arguments in spam. But I do sometimes back off and end them if it get's out of hand. However when it's the other way around, it has already gone the direction of: >Yell and scream at Gwazi. >Circlejerk anger at Gwazi, thereby encouraging more anger. >Mod see's anger, comes in and closes thread. >Spam takes closing thread and claims that Gwazi caused the anger that got it closed. I mean come on, you have to admit that there are people who just get furious at me and do not let up about it. This isn't me playing victim, if I was playing victim I wouldn't be taken partial responsibility for the arguments that break out. But if these arguments are ever going to stop, Spam also needs to recognize when they're the ones starting and/or dragging on the argument.

Yeah, the Spam Skype community is still alive, but there aren't as many of us as there used to be. Brovo left and took a few cronies with him (good riddance) and others just disappeared.

5$ says I know where they went.

I'd be shocked. It is a well-kept secret, after all.

I feel like I posted 56 And I'm not sure why

Updating as long as they keep coming in.

I'd be shocked. It is a well-kept secret, after all.

Not really... The whole fact they went to Iwaku broke out in Spam about a month ago. Unless if this was a joke, in which case.

I'd be shocked. It is a well-kept secret, after all.

Unless if this was a joke, in which case.

;)

I think we've had enough of this thread. Move along, people.