Do you guys have a chatzy or something?

We do not.

I need to invade Finland...

Good map otherwise.

I say you don't need to.

and if we could please not make a chatzy, that'd be awesome.

always murders ooc's..

So...Mihndar, you do realize you're going to go right through Chinese waters to reach the marshall islands, right?

AND the marshall islands are Chinese territory too..

So...Mihndar, you do realize you're going to go right through Chinese waters to reach the marshall islands, right?

AND the marshall islands are Chinese territory too..

We can go around Japan. And they'll obviously be past the Marshall Islands when we get there.

To catch them, you still have to go through chinese waters unless you swing far out into the pacific and swing around Australia. that'd take so long, so very long.

oh well.. Mexican fleet has safe passage through Chinese waters. Others, not so much.

To catch them, you still have to go through chinese waters unless you swing far out into the pacific and swing around Australia. that'd take so long, so very long.

oh well.. Mexican fleet has safe passage through Chinese waters. Others, not so much.

In all fairness, Mexico kinda tore across half the Pacific (that should take a month) in two or three posts. And I'm assuming the Russian Pacific fleet was already patrolling up around past the Kamchatka Peninsula.

I'm just trying to prevent Milkman from being subject to a massive dogpile, since I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

You have a fair point about the pacific traverse but sadly the circumstances are against Russia intercepting the Mexicans before arriving at india, especially seeing as I'm totally cool with them moving through.

Also, yeah, Milkman is being dogpiled big time.

You have a fair point about the pacific traverse but sadly the circumstances are against Russia intercepting the Mexicans before arriving at india, especially seeing as I'm totally cool with them moving through.

Also, yeah, Milkman is being dogpiled big time.

I think in consideration of what you said we'll probably miss them by a ways but we'll be able to send fighters to harass them from the one carrier in the Pacific fleet. Little aerial skirmish.

With how close to Chinese borders you'd be plus the presence of Chinese carriers in the region as well, it'd be a risky move on your part. risk getting chased/escorted back out to sea.

should be interesting to see how it plays out at the very least.

Here, this is what I was thinking in terms of the path.



Part of that strait should be our waters considering it is equally close to Sakhalin, which is part of Russia.

Chinese battle groups patrol from japan to Australia routinely. You might get lucky and slip through. but china has a huge presence in the pacific now, especially the western pacific.

Chinese battle groups patrol from japan to Australia routinely. You might get lucky and slip through. but china has a huge presence in the pacific now, especially the western pacific.

You can't just say "the western pacific is mine now" though.

Territorial waters, or a territorial sea, as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, is a belt of coastal waters extending at most 12 nautical miles (22.2 km; 13.8 mi) from the baseline (usually the mean low-water mark) of a coastal state.

Unless we've dropped to the point of the flagrant violation of international law. In which case I'm gonna be putting nuclear missiles on the moon.

I never said it "is mine now"

I wrote, and I quote. "You might get lucky and slip through. but china has a huge presence in the pacific now, especially the western pacific."

Also, "Territorial waters, or a territorial sea, as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, is a belt of coastal waters extending at most 12 nautical miles (22.2 km; 13.8 mi) from the baseline (usually the mean low-water mark) of a coastal state."
I do not think it applies as there is no United nations or sea law. <--im ok with this still being a thing.

I'm just playing realistic in this scenario as things exist today like modern surveillance technologies, submarines, naval spotter planes, satellites etc..

Anyway,
As I am interested to see how that sort of naval encounter between your nation and the Mexican/UTA fleet would be, what if your fleet was already in the area near the Marshall islands. Catching them before going too far in to Chinese waters.

Edit: I am just saying that all this fleet activity so close to Chinese territory is going to draw significant attention and seeing as mexico is on very friendly terms with the Chinese, this scenario is very dangerous.

I never said it "is mine now"

I wrote, and I quote. "You might get lucky and slip through. but china has a huge presence in the pacific now, especially the western pacific."

Also, "Territorial waters, or a territorial sea, as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, is a belt of coastal waters extending at most 12 nautical miles (22.2 km; 13.8 mi) from the baseline (usually the mean low-water mark) of a coastal state."
I do not think it applies as there is no United nations or sea law. <--im ok with this still being a thing.

I'm just playing realistic in this scenario as things exist today like modern surveillance technologies, submarines, naval spotter planes, satellites etc..

Anyway,
As I am interested to see how that sort of naval encounter between your nation and the Mexican/UTA fleet would be, what if your fleet was already in the area near the Marshall islands. Catching them before going too far in to Chinese waters.

Edit: I am just saying that all this fleet activity so close to Chinese territory is going to draw significant attention and seeing as mexico is on very friendly terms with the Chinese, this scenario is very dangerous.

But legally you can't stop me if it isn't yours. And MetalLover said there was still a United Nations, so I'm operating under the assumption that those sorts of laws still apply.

Indeed. I suppose we'll wait and see.

Wow, this blew up. I'll be able to make my own post tonight. Meanwhile, I can answer special Dominus business PM's, but I'm on my phone so sorry for any issues. Gonna read up on the posts in this lovely 8 hour car ride.

Fair enough Mihndar, but my Edit is the primary reason for my commentary. just a dangerous situation considering the affairs of the world right now.

Makes for a good story though!

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But legally you can't stop me if it isn't yours. And MetalLover said there was still a United Nations, so I'm operating under the assumption that those sorts of laws still apply.

Indeed. I suppose we'll wait and see.

Yes, majority of the international laws are still in place, including the water territory law.

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But legally you can't stop me if it isn't yours. And MetalLover said there was still a United Nations, so I'm operating under the assumption that those sorts of laws still apply.

Indeed. I suppose we'll wait and see.

A naval presence in the Black and Caspian Seas could also work for deterrence

Wow, this blew up. I'll be able to make my own post tonight. Meanwhile, I can answer special Dominus business PM's, but I'm on my phone so sorry for any issues. Gonna read up on the posts in this lovely 8 hour car ride.

Welcome back.

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A naval presence in the Black and Caspian Seas could also work for deterrence

I have offered to Milkman to use my Black Sea fleet for that purpose if he lets me through the Strait of Gallipoli and the Suez. And I offered to you that we coordinate our fleets for defense.

I don't think anyone has ever actually had a navy in the Caspian. It's just too small.