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So, to double check the action list:


  • Walked toward the center, then when Kunai he shifted to let it brush by his right shoulder (He pulled to Trixi's left since she's facing him)
  • Ma’Radiim was activated which increased grip on bridge and speed.
  • Pulled out Dagger, hidden under cloak.
  • Got in close with his right, then swung at Trixi's left side of her head.
  • Moment after, left arm came out with dagger to nail in the bicep.
  • Allowed the strike on his thigh, but no pain or broken bones.


This all correct?
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Partially correct. I'll elaborate.
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1. Correct.
2. Radiim is the technique that increases the flow of adrenaline in his body, increasing speed and strength for a limited time. The ability to stick to the bridge is magical in nature and is allowed by a charm he wears on a bracelet around is ankle. An anklet? It shares its magic with most of the other charms.
3. Yes, grabbed one of his daggers.
4. Basically, when Trixi stepped in with the right and attacked, Nicoli mirrored her action but swung at her head. So, I imagine that the two are very, very close. Almost as if dancing. So it's a very close proximity swing.
5.Attacked with his dagger the moment after he launched his attack, which I imagine would be when about when Trixi's own attack struck.
6. There is pain but Nicoli is disciplined enough to not let is show. You are correct, no broken bones. Nicoli has enchanted leathers over his torso and legs, the strike used one of the two charges it holds.

Please let me know if you have anymore questions. :)

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Thanks. I just wanted to make sure the timing was right in my image and what I planned was likely to work plausibly. Not sure how well Nicoli will like it through... *chuckles*

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@ShidenBlades one more thing, when he's stabbing/jabbing her bicep, how is he holding the blade? Is it a reverse hold (like where the blade is nearest the pinky side) or like you see in the movies with a switch blade (blade near the thumb)? I want to make sure I'm imaging this right because it affects Trixi's next move in the post.
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Neither. He's holding it in his fist, thumb slightly overlapping his other fingers.

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Neither. He's holding it in his fist, thumb slightly overlapping his other fingers.


That's a new one for me, though I've heard of it before but never seen it applied.

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So he's basically using a punching movement at her bicep, around the same time the swing is in the process of connecting, before it connects, or after? I'm honestly not trying to be a pain, but I want to get this image right so we prevent fighting later down the road and hauling in a Tourney Judge when it would be so much easier to clear this up first.
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No problem. I love the questions. Sometimes (most times) things I write makes sense to me but I miss a word or describe it weird.

His attack would be initiated just before her baton would strike his thigh, with the idea being that his strike would hit just as hers does. My thought process being that Nicoli has about the same distance to travel to strike but his speed and strength is currently much greater than that it would normally be, which is still normally very impressive. Trying to catch her unawares! =)

Hope that answers.

Edit: Yea, it is a slightly weird way to hold it. But, if you look at the picture provided in the character sheet the daggers resemble more Kuani than anything, they don't have a good place to place the thumb without risking cutting himself. I normally use them for throwing ... but ... adapt and overcome. haha
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No problem. I love the questions. Sometimes (most times) things I write makes sense to me but I miss a word or describe it weird.

His attack would be initiated just before her baton would strike his thigh, with the idea being that his strike would hit just as hers does. My thought process being that Nicoli has about the same distance to travel to strike but his speed and strength is currently much greater than that it would normally be, which is still normally very impressive. Trying to catch her unawares! =)

Hope that answers.


I like a balance of extreme and brief, myself. I tried to balance the two, though knowing this information helps as it alters her attack slightly from its original target area because of when he attacked.This would affect a things in my post as I will explain after I finish it. Thank you, if I think of anything else I'll be sure to ask.
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Replied and as you can see, I'm take a hit and give a hit type of gal. As I’m sure I got carried away, here’s the action brief to be sure you understood what I was aiming for and we're still on the same page:

1. Nicoli's close proximity swing at her left side of her head
→ Counters: Her baton comes up and blocks, creating a shield with the tip touching her shoulder and forming a triangle- If you need a vid to show you, then let me know.


2. Dagger comes out at her attack arm’s bicep
→ Reaction: Activates her taser ability about half-2/3 ways through swing

→ Counter: drops to her knee while lowers her right side (adjusting for balance which since it's above normal realism, I think I have some leeway right?) when she first spots the attack.


Damage: if you keep doing the punch she will take a nick in her bicep, less than half of a centimeter across the top part to draw blood and rips her jacket instead of resisting the slice since it's a stab.

Additional effects: her aim is also lower and goes from thigh to around the knee side instead, without damping her strength too much behind the hit and balance alters as well since there’s three points hitting the log rather than two.


If you have any issues, let me know and please explain them with proof to back it up so I can try to see it from your point of view.

Now… we have a dilemma. Mainly connected with Trixi’s taser ability and her batons vs Nicoli’s leather armor should the attack connect. I’m assuming he’s covering his knees since you don't exactly describe how your armor is placed or designed. From the research I have collected, not much I’m afraid, the effect of her taser is lessen by some notable degree but they aren't negated since leather is not like rubber. However, I can’t determine the degree that would be fair. My suggestion, since we’re both competitors, is let @Drifting Pollen determine how much resistance Nicoli has and how effective Trixi’s attack is.

I think we could work it out where we're both happy, but I also don't want to risk a heated argument.
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Yo. Read the post and have some questions of my own to clarify some things but first I'll answer what you asked above.

There is no armor protecting Nicoli's knee, the armor is just above the knee, as covering/protecting the knee would greatly reduce mobility. So, if the strike lands there won't be anything protecting/insulating it.

You are pushing away with your right foot (your leading foot at the beginning of the post) and landing on your knee? How far back did the foot move?

What takes 2 seconds exactly? Do you mean to say that the ability takes about 2 second for her to charge up?

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There is no armor protecting Nicoli's knee, the armor is just above the knee, as covering/protecting the knee would greatly reduce mobility. So, if the strike lands there won't be anything protecting/insulating it.


Alright, I didn't think so but assumption is usually what hurts a fighter the most.

You are pushing away with your right foot (your leading foot at the beginning of the post) and landing on your knee? How far back did the foot move?


Her foot is pushing back away from him. I think I should've used the phrase 'pull away' instead of push back. My apologies. I sort of got into the moment and set in Trixi's mindset a bit too far. It slide back enough that she basically slammed her knee down if I'm imaging this right. Trixi didn't see it until last moment hence why she got hit and pulled a drastic move to quicken her pull down. Her toes are still touching the wood though.

Difting Pollen confirmed the length of the bridge was about the widest of the stream, meaning it would've taken a few steps for both players to reach each other then what we actually posted (I don't think either of us wanted to do another round stating stepping, at least I wouldn't).

In addition, if I read your post right, you already stated Nicoli's own right foot stepped in to mirror her own. So their foots are a bit apart I would imagine as you described them being close proximity like a dance but would still require some distance in order to stretch out their arms namely because the moment Nicoli got into range soon enough, Trixi's arm I wrote stretched out to smack him.

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Also, the bridge is only about .75, about 9 inches wide, making it pretty hard to have to feet, even petite, next to each other. (I think I clarified everything... I hope.


What takes 2 seconds exactly? Do you mean to say that the ability takes about 2 second for her to charge up?


1 second to generate energy then 1 to discharge it. It doesn't require preps because it acts like a taser and only effect through touch. Each contact yes you get tasered, but the effect recovery varies with the PC and likely as long as she's touching.

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@Fallenreaper That clarifies something for me.

However, I believe that 2 seconds is far too long. Heck, 1 second is far too long for where they are currently at.

From the time Trixi starts the charge it is easily less than half a second, probably less than .25 a second based on the pure speed that characters at this tier can achieve before it would make contact. Unless you are implying she slows her attack down? Which I don't think is the case.

Nicoli's own attack with his dagger, including his increased speed, would easily be faster than the jab of a world class boxer. You blink and you miss it.

Also, while I am not doubting Trixi's speed I believe you may have made an error when you said that the damp surface would help her movement and speed. I would think it would be the contrary. Because you did say 'push back' you are implying that you are directing force on that foot to drive her away. Ever try applying force to a slick surface? You're liable to slip. (I know you clarified above that you meant 'pull', but push and pull are very different and I'm going by what was in the post.)

I'm not saying I want her to slip or anything. I'm just not seeing how it could make her faster, I don't see physics working that way. At most I can see how friction wouldn't play much of a part if she's sliding that foot back on said slick surface. Which, I believe, her movement would still take longer to move into position while dropping to a knee than it would for Nicoli's own darting attack.

That's just how I am reading it. Not trying to be extremely picky, but I don't like to give leeway during ranked matches and if you see somewhere where I obviously messed up than please do let me know.

Edit: Throwing a tag for @Drifting Pollen in here so she can track.
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@Fallenreaper That clarifies something for me.

However, I believe that 2 seconds is far too long. Heck, 1 second is far too long for where they are currently at.

From the time Trixi starts the charge it is easily less than half a second, probably less than .25 a second based on the pure speed that characters at this tier can achieve before it would make contact. Unless you are implying she slows her attack down? Which I don't think is the case.


I can only do what I think is fair to be honest. I went with seconds because it was most reasonable and @Drifting Pollen helped me balance it in a pm, so in the end I was afraid if I made it any faster it would be uncounterable by anyone in the Tourney. Namely as it is a low level tier. As I said, I lack the experience since every partner I've had vanished on me. Hard to learn to basics and other needed stuff when no one seems to want to stick around after all. *shrugs*

Nicoli's own attack with his dagger, including his increased speed, would easily be faster than the jab of a world class boxer. You blink and you miss it.

Also, while I am not doubting Trixi's speed I believe you may have made an error when you said that the damp surface would help her movement and speed. I would think it would be the contrary. Because you did say 'push back' you are implying that you are directing force on that foot to drive her away. Ever try applying force to a slick surface? You're liable to slip. (I know you clarified above that you meant 'pull', but push and pull are very different and I'm going by what was in the post.)


Reasonable and it was my mistake which I'll admit.

I'm not saying I want her to slip or anything. I'm just not seeing how it could make her faster, I don't see physics working that way. At most I can see how friction wouldn't play much of a part if she's sliding that foot back on said slick surface. Which, I believe, her movement would still take longer to move into position while dropping to a knee than it would for Nicoli's own darting attack.

That's just how I am reading it. Not trying to be extremely picky, but I don't like to give leeway during ranked matches and if you see somewhere where I obviously messed up than please do let me know.


I don't mind. Honestly you've been more help than my vanishing partners at explaining this stuff and I only joined the tourney for one specific reason: to learn. I wasn't intending/aiming to win as much as increase what little experience and knowledge I had. No one ever really wins their first tourney, at least not the great ones. As for spotting mistakes, I might be the worse one to ask to do that.

I think it might be best to let @Drifting Pollen determine the outcome and result from there, that way we can at least continue. I want to at least prevent Trixi's arm from being useless but I get the feeling, from the way you're telling it, that her arm is done.
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I could step in and make a judgement if needed (MelonHead and Chimera had already made me do that twice), but I'm not sure it's really necessary here? It looks like you two are just making sure things are clear, and while there have been some different points brought up, there's been no disagreement so far. So I see no reason not to just get on with posting... some details may not be precisely worked out, but they may not need to be.

IDK. If you two really would rather I step in, I can, but I find it's usually best when players resolve things themselves.
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I could step in and make a judgement if needed (MelonHead and Chimera had already made me do that twice), but I'm not sure it's really necessary here? It looks like you two are just making sure things are clear, and while there have been some different points brought up, there's been no disagreement so far. So I see no reason not to just get on with posting... some details may not be precisely worked out, but they may not need to be.

IDK. If you two really would rather I step in, I can, but I find it's usually best when players resolve things themselves.


I'm not even sure if we can come to agreement really. At least until the punch is settled namely on damage as it's going to hit clearly, but the damage degree is affected. Her arm, from what I'm understanding, would be rendered useless if he torn out the muscle or severed something. Which is why my post was trying to prevent with what I thought I knew.

I don't mind coming to a compromise because honestly I don't really want the fight to literally end with only a few bouts. I can't learn much that way, but as I quote Blade down there.

That's just how I am reading it. Not trying to be extremely picky, but I don't like to give leeway during ranked matches and if you see somewhere where I obviously messed up than please do let me know.


That's why I'm thinking it might be best honestly.
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@Drifting Pollen Feel free to jump in here then.

As I understand it, @Fallenreaper and I would like clarification on the current exchange, namely Nicoli's attack and it's effectiveness and speed versus Trixi's own.
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As far as I can tell, they'd both hit.

Nicoli's jab was a very fast, stable move. On the other hand, Trixi's response (to drop to one knee) would likely be slower, not getting her quite out of the way on time. The stab might not hit exactly where Nicoli wanted it to, but would still likely end up landing. It's unlikely that a stab wound like that would completely disable the arm, but it would cause a lot of bleeding and make it painful/difficult to move (probably would disable an ordinary person's, but that'd be mostly from the pain/shock, which wouldn't apply so much here).

As for Trixi's attack, Shiden is right about it taking less than two seconds. Nicoli's knife was faster than this attack, however, he did virtually nothing to avoid it, assuming his armor would take the hit. Trixi's drop is likely an unexpected move, and even with its slower speed compared to Nicoli's stab, it would still be fairly quick. The stab itself is too high up the arm to entirely stop the attack (even if it did disable the limb and stop the upper arm in its tracks, momentum alone would carry the baton to its target, which would be within reach already), and even if Nicoli were to see it coming and step back, if he's close enough to get her with a dagger then he's too close to step back away from a 16-inch baton on time, especially not when he was focused on his own attack.

The electrical shock would not apply immediately upon contact due to timing (she should have charged it up beforehand), but it's still a pretty strong hit even with just the baton. Nicoli's Spider Step might keep him stuck in place, but that would just make the impact on his knee even more jarring, definitely enough to make it painful to put his weight on it after that. Also, having charged the shock, Trixi now has the option of deploying it in future posts.

In short, pretty nasty strikes on both sides. This is probably to be expected in a close-range fight between lightly armored opponents... indeed, most ancient duels did not last long. Unless someone decides to pull a retreat, this could end in the next couple moves. Good stuff so far!
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Alrighty, if that's that verdict than I'll await for Fallen to adjust her post accordingly and then prepare my own post.
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Alrighty, if that's that verdict than I'll await for Fallen to adjust her post accordingly and then prepare my own post.


Alright, give me a night and I will.. I need to sleep.
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@Fallenreaper No rush. Take your time!

Also, if you ever want to throw down in a more relaxed setting outside the tourney let me know. I really dig your writing style and enjoy Trixie as a character.
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