Also what's a Tantalum?

@Starfall
He's the Co-GM, kind of a phantom Co-GM. I forgot to add him and the thought occurred to me right now since I'm talking with him. He's really the voice of reason for me, since he's way more level headed than I am.

I'm trying to not make this argument petty, since the whole ordeal is dumb as sin to me personally.

Since I'm vehemently against: "Your rights end where my feelings begin."

So I'm going out of my way to be polite, but it's 3:30 in the morning and I'm hopped up on so much caffeine that I can feel my heartbeat in my toes, it's kind of hard not to be rude.

[Deep Inhale]

I get what you're saying.

But being offended by being called something is childish at best. A word, a name, an idea shouldn't insult anyone. At the core of vocabulary is meaning and second to that is perception. Perception of meaning varies from person to person, and to play with the absurdist scenario you've created, let's say you're not just a cat. You're a hyena.

A Hyena is a feline, everyone who's ever studied animal biology knows this.

But to someone who doesn't study animal biology?
It looks like a dog.
It barks like a dog.
It acts like a dog.

To those who aren't as inclined towards background knowledge and only have a surface level knowledge of an object? Perception is all you have.

The saying goes: "Don't judge a book by it's cover."

But as a human being, we are inclined by our very nature to judge based on somethings cover.

We only get one chance to make a first impression.

The character sheet is the first impression for me, and to me it covers every single field into which I would categorize a character as edgy.

This isn't an insult, and being insulted by it means that you're going out of your way to be insulted by it.

Okay, but here's the thing, you are prioritizing your opinion over his comfort. That's rude.

@Starfall
Okay, but you're arguing on his behalf. I'm not arguing with him, I'm arguing with you.

When he comes and tells me that he is offended, I will apologize.

But until then, I stand by my point of view.

Well now you're just being petulant.

@Starfall
The only one being childish is the one arguing on behalf of someone else, telling me someone else's opinions without the other person's commentary. You're giving me no indication that this is actually their point of view, because they aren't here.

You're telling me that I'm offending them, telling me that this is their opinion.

Yet at no point in time have I seen that this is their opinion.

Your only argument that withholds is that I'm putting my own opinion over their comfort. But I haven't SEEN any discomfort.

I haven't SEEN them being offended.

What I have seen is my perspective of their character being classified as rude and "childish" by someone who refuses to refute my central point.

What I have seen is my patience running thin with this argument, and I'm about to reach the point where I state my true opinions on the matter.

And worst of all, what I have seen is Ad Hominem with your direct attempt at calling me childish for having an opinion that differs from yours.

I tried explaining why you were wrong and you fell back on it being your opinion, which is fine even if I disagree, so I explained to you why opinions can be insulting. Now you want him to tell you personally? Well you're free to ask.

The way I see it Nega was put through the ringer during the application phase and is still trying to be active despite frustration. Now he has to jump through hoops not to be labeled an edgelord? I have no way of describing this behavior other than petulant and believe you me I know a thing or two about petulance.

Right now though? I'm just speaking up for a friend. If you want to light the thread up over that I don't care. I'll respond as I feel appropriate.

@Starfall
You tried explaining why my opinion was wrong.* To correct you.

And like I said.

If he comes and tells me that he is personally offended by my opinion, I will apologize.

But right now, all I'm seeing is you arguing with me about why my rights end where your feelings begin.

Which doesn't jive by me.

Ya dig?

That's not a correction, all you did was remove context. I appreciate the attempt to be clever but there's a reason why I chose the structure my sentence the way I did and it wasn't to insult you.

And no, I don't dig, that's why I called you petulant.

Obviously.

@Starfall
I'm not insulted by the sentence, it takes more than name calling to set me off. What has set me off is your point of view.

And it is an apt correction, seeing as you did the exact same thing. Removing the context, that is. Of the statement itself being an obvious fucking joke.

The fact that you're fighting me so hard about this is pretty much where I'm drawing the line on caring whether or not I offend people.

Wanna know the truth?

My rights don't end where your feelings begin.

Because the sovereign right of every sentient lifeform in the known universe is the right to have an opinion, and the right to voice that opinion. No matter what the crowds say, no matter how many guns are held to your head, it is your right to speak your mind.

Whether serious or in jest, it doesn't matter. Your right as a living breathing thing is to speak your mind.

It's my opinion, I'll voice my opinion.

And I don't care who it offends, because it's my right to have that opinion.

I'll apologize for offending your friend, if I really did. Because I still have no proof that I did, only word of mouth from someone trying to infringe on my sovereign rights.

But I won't apologize for voicing my opinion.

Don't you think you're reacting a bit much for being told that something you said was rude?

@Starfall
No, I'm really not.

This is the exact same backwards logic that censors everything.

"I'm offended."

"What do I do to make you not offended?"

"Change it."

And so they do, they remove it or doll it up to look pretty. They block out opinions, they hide their thoughts and shelter everyone because our feelings are more important than our freedom.

This kind of argument that escalates into a much bigger problem is my least favorite kind of argument. Because while it sticks to the central concept for the majority of it, it moves like a conversation. It travels topics eventually and I don't dance with that concept very well.

It generally leads to me getting angrier and angrier, and as someone who's pretty emotionally stunted I only enjoy Anger when I get satisfaction afterwards.

Which doesn't happen in arguments where the opposing agent refuses to back down, so I ain't enjoying being frustrated right now.

The topic at hand is that I called something Edgy.

And supposedly, I offended someone.

I have been shown no proof that anyone is offended, and I have been told that I'm childish for having an opinion.

This argument is moot until further evidence is provided.

Yeah I'm not sure I buy all that.

@Starfall
Don't believe it all you want, I'm done arguing y'know.

huh? consent on what? Bringing someone in? I mean its an open world....ish.... Bring anyone in you want.@LeeRoy

@Enki
You didn't pay a lick of attention :V

I meant the big bar brawl that's about to go down.

@MelonheadWould Shen be more inclined to let us wreck his bar if Corban sprouted a different 1lb crystal for every piece of property broken? The crystal could be his choice!

*crosses fingers and prays there is no such thing as the concept of devalued wealth to the panda-man.*

Well, he can always rebuild. But monetary compensation is a little worthless to a panda who hardly charges for drinks in the first place.

You could be of the opinion that I am a dog in real life.

You would be objectively wrong because I have stated many times in the past that I am a cat in real life.

You may like dogs, you may love dogs, and imagining me as a dog may increase your opinion of me. But I am a cat and I hate dogs and it is insulting to be called a dog.

I have no way of stopping you from calling me a dog beyond letting you know that it's not cool to call cats dogs.

That's an absurd scenario I felt like sharing but if you don't understand how an opinion can be insulting regardless of intent then I think you can at least understand the concept of respecting his wish not to be called an edgelord in public. You are prioritizing your opinion over his comfort and that's not nice.

If you choose to be insulted that easily that's your problem, it's the internet, get over it.

Not to mention it was a clear joke about a character, if you get insulted on behalf of a character you've put way too much ego into that character.

If someone called Liu fat, or laughed that he was a Kung Fu Panda ripoff, I wouldn't cry about it. They have a point. Ghost Rider is a campy edgelord, this electricity guy seems like a campy edgelord. Maybe he has more depth, all he's done so far is walk into a bar and rob someone straight away, which makes him more belligerent than edgy, which is why I joked that he hadn't sat in the corner for hours first. But as a character archetype, he's literally the definition of edgy. Cold aloof personality disorder, eats souls, has the power of hell? How is this even an argument?

Hell, loads of my characters are edgy, it's a common trope. It's not an immediate insult that your character lacks depth. In fact, it -makes sense- for Arena characters to be edgy, I'd be more bothered by joyful or optimistic people in Arena, considering Arena character's main purpose in life is fighting and killing people.

Stop taking everything so seriously, or we'll never get anywhere. Me and LeeRoy like to joke around and if you can't handle jokes then you definitely can't handle a fight with us. Not a damn chance.

I'd be more bothered by joyful or optimistic people in Arena, considering Arena character's main purpose in life is fighting and killing people.

Well, time to make a char who sincerely believe killing the other side would make the world a better place.
Complete with sunshine, rainbow and lollipops.
:B

Finally in here.

Yes, I'm irritated with being called an edgelord just because I'm playing a character from hell, especially after I went out of my way to explain that he's neither evil nor 'dark or gritty', beyond the fact that he was created to look like a biker, and I thought I made it at least partially clear why he wanted that phone...

As this is a free-for-all thread, I'm not sure why you need to ask permission before joining in. If you want to fight, go ahead.