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(Jumping in again, hi)

I kind of see where you guys are all coming from with this.

I can understand the point Dead and Frozen are making, there are certain cases where a character like this can ruin things, or more of an overall feel, a character cracking jokes, doing dumb sorts of things or just generally being comic relief at the wrong times, or constantly, can be irritating and generally not too fun to role play with.

At the same time, I don't really think we've seen enough (or at least, I haven't seen enough) about or surrounding Light to really make a judgement over whether or not the character is like that. Personally, i've seen more comedic characters role played in this sort of environment really well, if the character has the capacity to step up and put on at least a serious face when it matters, then in my opinion it generally works, and so far I haven't seen anything to say Light can't do that.

I sort of misunderstood before what you guys were arguing about so, my bad there, but I respect all your guys views here, I think it'd be a shame to hold a character back or deny them on an assumption of bad things to come or bad intention, but ultimately if you guys just don't want to rp with that sort of character just in case, that's totally well-founded as well.

I'm just going to wait for Intel's decision though, I just like adding my two cents.

Edit: Intel's suggestion is pretty fair, i'd say.


Pretty much. She works in any setting. But from what I'm getting they're thinking of super grimdark, instead of say, Batman TAS gothic dark which is a much better darkish medium. There is a reason why Batman is much more well known and liked than Watchmen, for example. And ofc Harley came from TAS and is a fan favorite, and TAS made... (I forget the actor's name) almost the definitive joker voice. Same with Batmans actor.

Jeezus fuck guys can you all please calm your tits? I'm on my phone now and I can't bring reason to this just yet. But please do me a favor and look beyond just 1 character or just 1 trait. We have all kinds of characters here.

Here, I'm gonna bring a solution to the table. How about @Archmage MC makes a serious character and allows Light to play as secondary comic reluef, but can post as primary serious character during serious scenes?

Again, that's A solution, not THE solution. I'll be back soon to help settle things.


Eh. I'm not good with total brooding grimdark characters with no other traits but brooding and dark like these two seem to think a serious character is. That type of character is just too one dimensional. I'd lose interest pretty fast if I was forced to have to use one of those. IMO a serious character is a character thats well fleshed out and feels like a character or person, even if a bit warped. I mean, Hulk, Iron man, Hawkeye, Capt, even Deadpool are serious characters but have lots of comedy to them. Would you deny they're serious?
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There is a reason why Batman is much more well known and liked than Watchmen, for example.


I just took personal offense to this in particular. Batman is one of the most iconic cape characters ever, and among the first to achieve long-term notoriety, and Watchmen is the most widely celebrated graphic novel of all time. You're comparing the sport of baseball to Muhammed Ali and saying that the latter isn't so great because more people like the former.

Eh. I'm not good with total brooding grimdark characters with no other traits but brooding and dark like these two seem to think a serious character is. That type of character is just too one dimensional. I'd lose interest pretty fast if I was forced to have to use one of those. IMO a serious character is a character thats well fleshed out and feels like a character or person, even if a bit warped. I mean, Hulk, Iron man, Hawkeye, Capt, even Deadpool are serious characters but have lots of comedy to them. Would you deny they're serious?


What I'm getting out of this is that you don't actually perceive the middle ground between the extremes of Rob Liefeld and Chuck Jones. All of the characters you listed (except for Deadpool) are good examples of decent characters that no one would complain about if they were put in this RP. The problem is that you are not playing one of them. They may crack jokes on occasion, but your character is a walking joke. That's what we don't want.
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If I remember correctly@Archmage MC

I remember you trying to submit a character with this toonforce mechanic in another RP before and it was completely shunted and bashed on there, showing that it is garnering the same type of reactions here as well. While I personally don't fancy the idea, I also can't judge it and will need to see it in action. It could be interesting to see. However, most people feel as though your character may be too overpowered and break the realistic feel that is trying to be established for the RP. Perhaps tone down on some of the abilities and choose the more practical toon like abilities.

For example, there is an actual Mutant in the marvel universe named Tommy. She is a morlock with a very cartoony appearance with the ability to become flat and 2-D. It's cartoony, but they made her power work realistically within the universe. If you do the same thing here, it might not be as much of an issue for everyone. It might help. :)
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Pretty much. She works in any setting. But from what I'm getting they're thinking of super grimdark, instead of say, Batman TAS gothic dark which is a much better darkish medium. There is a reason why Batman is much more well known and liked than Watchmen, for example. And ofc Harley came from TAS and is a fan favorite, and TAS made... (I forget the actor's name) almost the definitive joker voice. Same with Batmans actor.

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Eh. I'm not good with total brooding grimdark characters with no other traits but brooding and dark like these two seem to think a serious character is. That type of character is just too one dimensional. I'd lose interest pretty fast if I was forced to have to use one of those. IMO a serious character is a character thats well fleshed out and feels like a character or person, even if a bit warped. I mean, Hulk, Iron man, Hawkeye, Capt, even Deadpool are serious characters but have lots of comedy to them. Would you deny they're serious?


Okay, can we not make sarcastic asides at people who wish for the argument to cease? And I don't desire you to be dark and brooding, just not a mood killer for those of us who didn't look at superhero rp and think "I wanna play with a bloody cartoon."
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Just out curiosity, am I able to give my character slow regeneration if her species is able to do it?
I could also expand more on her physiology and anatomy considering she's an alien.
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I think this all just boils down to fear that my char will be far too disruptive without even seeing her in action. Or something like that.

My own 2 cents...

If I remember correctly@Archmage MC

I remember you trying to submit a character with this toonforce mechanic in another RP before and it was completely shunted and bashed on there, showing that it is garnering the same type of reactions here as well. While I personally don't fancy the idea, I also can't judge it and will need to see it in action. It could be interesting to see. However, most people feel as though your character may be too overpowered and break the realistic feel that is trying to be established for the RP. Perhaps tone down on some of the abilities and choose the more practical toon like abilities.

For example, there is an actual Mutant in the marvel universe named Tommy. She is a morlock with a very cartoony appearance with the ability to become flat and 2-D. It's cartoony, but they made her power work realistically within the universe. If you do the same thing here, it might not be as much of an issue for everyone. It might help. :)


Nah it'll still be a problem from the sound of things. Its some irrational fear I see now so it wont change things much. If their issue was power origin, I could easily fix that, but its not that at all, but an irrational fear of a less violent deadpool. Those two seems to be the only ones having problems with it too. everyone else is fine with it.

Especially if I had to put her with a marvel hero personallity, she'd be more like Iron Man or Hawkeye (or if DC, I think Harley, but wayyy smarter), just a little worse when it comes to identifying serious situations on the outside since, in her vision. "No one is ever serious, otherwise everyone would be dead."
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@Din Sure, go ahead and fill that in. It can also be improved as time goes along too. :)
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Okay, let me get a few things off the bat. I already said in the rules that I don't appreciate OOC drama, so I have every right to get pissed this time. Okay? Okay. Secondly, you guys should have sorted this out through PMs... though it wouldn't have gotten to my attention otherwise so... thanks I guess? Third, @Archmage MC and I were talking about Light earlier via PMs, and I predicted that this kind of reaction was going to happen. I'll explain why I was okay with this kind of character.

1. I have played 4th-wall breaking comedic characters before, but their 4th-wall awareness was also played for drama. I actually had plans for bringing in 2 of them in this RP, for them to be both funny and serious characters. I see that potential in Light as well, and I kinda liked the idea of having a cartoon in the mix.

2. The character sheet looked alright to me on the phone, skimmed. I didn't approve yet because I was gonna give it a more thorough analysis, and make the necessary changes after I finished analyzing it. Now thanks to you guys, you have given me a god damn ultimatum. Shame on you.

3. The reactions from Lisa, as well as those in the 32nd, would've been freaking hilarious.

Now, @FrozenEcstasy, @Dead Cruiser, I hope you understand why I allowed this character (so far) and why I am angry. I was out having a bonfire with my family until this shit happened so thanks a lot. Listen, I have a solution on the table that allows both parties to be happy. Archmage can make a serious (by serious I mean a well-fleshed out character that Archmage just mentioned, nothing emo or stupid) character for posting in all scenarios, so when something serious happens, we can shoo out the clowns and allow the serious moment to play out. However, @Pundii has a point, Light has some potential to be in a serious moment. I still have to analyze her though. Are you guys happy with that idea?

And if you're worrying about her "Not dying", there are many ways to put her out of commission. And besides, you guys are working together anyway, and I didn't have any plans on killing any player-based characters (if that happened, the player couldn't post no more and that's no fun for anyone). As for the lower-tiered superpowers rule, that was a Extremely Recommended Option that's not required. Arch-mage's serious character can be lower-tiered like the others, and can progress with the others as well.


Looking at @Angel Eyes post, I just realized why many of you are angry with this character, and I didn't take it into account. Thanks Angel, I really appreciate you putting that in there. Arch-mage, as much as I love the character, it would end up conflicting with the style of the RP and can create some serious longevity issues. And... as much as I'd hate to say it, Light could possibly kill the RP in its entirety. I already put a whole lot of work into setting it up, and I don't want to see it killed. Sorry m8, you're gonna have to create a more... "Serious" character (by that I mean a character that's well fleshed out, and can make a whole lot of jokes and stuff but know when to be serious at the right time... you know what I mean).

Listen, I want this RP to be fun for everyone involved. I want this to have elements of romance, comedy, as well as with plenty of action and adventure to come with it. If it's nothing but emo-seriousness, that's gonna be boring and emotionally draining. And cliche. I want something that's fun, for all of us.

Just do me a favor and never put me in a position like this again, you guys hear? I really hate having to pick sides and putting me in a position like this makes me look and feel like a fucking dick. DON'T MAKE ME DO SHIT LIKE THIS AGAIN.
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Oops! Sorry. Didn't see the post above. Ignore this. I was just trying to give some friendly advice. lol
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Well. I think there may be some confusion here. Deadpool and your character Light, are not nearly the same thing. Deadpool is a serious character with a personality that is comedic and silly. Light on the other hand, is a character who turns a concept of cartoons and children's television into an actual power. From what I understand, Light isn't comedic, her powers are. I think thats the main difference. But comedic powers wouldn't be a big deal unless of course, as is the case with light, they are completely unhindered and based on the character sheet alone, seem as though they do not fit the tone or the setting of the roleplay.

I don't think the issue is about you bringing a comedic character into fold. Its encouraged. We need diversity. However, your CHARACTER should be comedic, not necessarily her skillset. And if her skillset is comedic then, you definitely should tone down what she can do. But again, I'm not particularly for the idea, but I won't tarnish it either without giving it a chance. I think if she is a serious character, not in personality, but in realism in relation to the story, it shouldn't be so bad. But I really do advise that you tone down alot of her toon powers and make her more attainable, as in, less godlike. Immortality is one thing, but when she is immortal and can do B-Z, it can be a bit much.

But Intel is boss, so he will give you his rundown of what he thinks. I'm just trying to help you at least come to a compromise with everyone else here. It'd be a shame to see something that could potentially be left out because you aren't willing to make any changes. Sometimes changes need to be made. I've had to make my fair share for characters I thought were wonderful as is, but needed to be toned back to keep in touch with the reality that is trying to be established for the RP. It's all about balance. :)


Well I'd like to know what changes she'd need then. I even told intel I was fine if she needed more rebalancing. Toonforce is a very poorly documented powerset. (I think I said that in the ooc actually) but yeah, I'm not sure thats the problem either. I think they just have a fear of comedic characters. I know, you, Pundii, Morose, and Chicken have no problems with her. Its just those two.

I appreciate what you and Pundii are trying to do.

If they're problem is powerset origin, thats all they gotta say and I can explain that better.

Also, intel, how would we talk this all out in PMs without letting you know the problem and help fix it? I'm curious as to how that could work, as if there is a way, it would be great to do to releave stress all around.
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Hey guys I'm gonna have to head to bed now. Please PM or Mention me any questions, comments or concerns, I'll get back to you with them as soon as possible, okay? Okay, goodnight!

Also please continue working on your characters. The issue is resolved (as far as I know) and we shouldn't have any problems like this in the future. Thanks to those who helped try to calm things down. I apologize to those who saw all of this.
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Yeah we're all working things out and such. Night.
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Well I'd like to know what changes she'd need then. I even told intel I was fine if she needed more rebalancing. Toonforce is a very poorly documented powerset. (I think I said that in the ooc actually) but yeah, I'm not sure thats the problem either. I think they just have a fear of comedic characters. I know, you, Pundii, Morose, and Chicken have no problems with her. Its just those two.

I appreciate what you and Pundii are trying to do.

If they're problem is powerset origin, thats all they gotta say and I can explain that better.

Also, intel, how would we talk this all out in PMs without letting you know the problem and help fix it? I'm curious as to how that could work, as if there is a way, it would be great to do to releave stress all around.


Well, I can go through her skillset tomorrow and pick out what I THINK should be kept or left out if you like. Of course this would be opinion, but it might help. lol
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>.>; We have to many chaotic alignments.
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>.>; We have to many chaotic alignments.


LOL No worries, I'm working on an Angel or something like that. Not completely sure yet. Eitherway, the character is gonna be Neutral or Neutral-Good. But honestly, don't think too deep into it. Thats essentially just a very minor basis for the character. It doesnt solidify who the character is in their totality or what they may become later down the line.
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LOL No worries, I'm working on an Angel or something like that. Not completely sure yet. Eitherway, the character is gonna be Neutral or Neutral-Good. But honestly, don't think too deep into it. Thats essentially just a very minor basis for the character. It doesnt solidify who the character is in their totality or what they may become later down the line.


Nope, it's just less variety. ^^;
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