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There are a few interesting little tidbits to note about this election.

First off, whereas Trump won the electoral college and therefore the election, Hillary won the popular vote (or at least seems to have, there are still a trickle of votes left to count, but mostly from solid blue states). That is to say that in total more people voted for Hillary than for Trump (at a slim margin, about 200,000 more). This is the fifth time in US history this has happened, the last time being 2000 where Bush narrowly squeezed by in the electoral college even though Gore won the popular vote by 500,000. This phenomena didn't occur at all in the twentieth century, appearing to be a strictly 19th and 21st century thing, possibly connected to how extremely divided these periods of American history are compared to the more fluid and landside-tending elections of the 20th (and before anyone infers ominous Civil War vibes in this, there were no such electoral-popular splits in the Civil War period of electoral history (1848-1865), a period more defined by dramatic party implosions and, of course, a big-ass war).

This means, interestingly enough, that of the seven Presidential elections I have lived through (I was born in 1989), the Republicans only won the popular vote once, that being in 2004. 2000 and 2016 have been Electoral-Popular splits going to the Republicans, with 1992, 1996, 2008, and 2012 being Democratic victories.

There are ominous signs in this for both parties. On one hand it implies the population is drifting slowly to the left, which could put pressure on Republicans (this isn't exactly a startling idea). On the other hand, this population growth is bunching up in states that are already solidly blue as people flee the "Flyover States" for the coasts, thus draining traditionally blue midwestern states of their urban votes and creating an electoral challenge for the left that has cost them two elections in sixteen years. The story Democrats have been telling themselves is one where they keep the blue states and add quickly urbanizing states like Texas and Georgia to their ranks, but this election shows it may not be that simple for them as the rust belt is slipping out of their hands.

The other interesting detail contradicts my earlier opinions about the election. The turnout for this election... well, I'm getting conflicting reports to be honest, but it looks poor. I suspect we'll hear more about this later in the week. But what I can say is that, with only a small amount of the popular vote still left out there to count, and most of that in solid Hillary states, it is looking like Trump is performing at John McCain levels of popular vote, and below Mitt Romney. It doesn't look like there is enough vote out there to bring us up to 2008 levels or 2012 levels, so imma just call it: what really hurt Hillary wasn't people flocking to Trump, but simply an inability to get people out to vote for her, crucially in the midwest where she especially failed to resonate.

The last thing is that, forgetting the Presidential election for a bit, an unsurprising winner of the 2016 Election was Marijuana. California, Massachusetts, Maine, and Nevada passed recreational Marijuana. They join Alaska, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, and DC. Further more, Medical Marijuana has passed in a further list of states so that the number of states where Marijuana prohibition is in full effect has been whittled down to just Idaho, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Indiana, and West Virginia. I can't say for certain, but it is looking like very soon the Federal Prohibition will become a dead letter and some President (Very possibly Trump, though I have no earthy clue what his position on the matter is) may just become the one who officially makes weed nationally legal.

Another interesting thing I noticed just looking over ballot measure results is that a number of minimum wage increases were put on the ballots of several states, and it looked like they all passed with respectable margins. Most of them are Blue states except Arizona, a state that went for Trump, which passed a slow-increase to $12 an hour and legally mandated paid sick leave by %59 of the vote.

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Sweet fuck the discourse in this thread. So funky. So fresh.

Good hecking read, lads. Carry on when the inauguration happens.
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Sweet fuck the discourse in this thread. So funky. So fresh.

Good hecking read, lads. Carry on when the inauguration happens.


It's a fun time to be alive and I'm soaking it all in.
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<Snipped quote by Antarctic Termite>

It's a fun time to be alive and I'm soaking it all in.


The west coast wants to secede, so I guess Trump's "Gettysburg Address" was really just a trial run for the real thing.

Grab your muskets, boys, time to shoot us some Johny Rebs.
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Preliminary numbers portend that Trump performed better among immigrant and minority communities than any other Republican leader in my lifetime. If that is the case, the "whitelash" narrative is objectively and unequivocally incorrect.
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The west coast wants to secede, so I guess Trump's "Gettysburg Address" was really just a trial run for the real thing.

Grab your muskets, boys, time to shoot us some Johny Rebs.


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CASCADIA FOREVER


How would an army fight if the army isn't allowed to have guns?

[rimshot]
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How would an army fight if the army isn't allowed to have guns?

[rimshot]


weaponized smug
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Preliminary numbers portend that Trump performed better among immigrant and minority communities than any other Republican leader in my lifetime. If that is the case, the "whitelash" narrative is objectively and unequivocally incorrect.


Absolutely. The guys protesting on the coasts don't seem to understand what happened. Hell, the Alt-Right doesn't seem to understand what happened. They all tried to turn this election into a battlefield of the culture wars, but the culture wars are over and the average American has never heard of an "SJW" and doesn't care about what is being said on Tumblr. At the end of the day, this thing came down to the oldest political driver in the book: Jobs.

They party of the working man abandoned the working man, and they got their ass kicked for it.

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How would an army fight if the army isn't allowed to have guns?

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I bet you there is at least one crazy old man in Nevada with enough guns and ammo to arm the entire west coast.
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I will grant the point that Trump did get more votes among minorities than past republicans, but that's a little like saying 1/3 of a cup is better than 1/4 of a cup. Like yeah, it's a bit more, but not a huge amount. It does mean that his message spoke more to class issues than his rhetoric could harm him, but it wasn't all that effective.

Additionally, he had lower turnout than did Romney, who lost. Are we saying that the outrage and backlash from the right is less than it was 4 years ago? I really don't think so.

Instead, Trump lucked out because of a few factors:

1. No one to split the anti-establishment vote. Sanders would have quashed this by splitting it.
2. People on the left were not enthusiastic about Hillary. This is the main issue. She could not get those extra 5-10 million voters that Obama did, despite substantially similar policies.

So it's difficult to say that Trump has a mandate or is part of some uprising, when it's more due to the failure of Hillary Clinton. Just like if she won, it would be more of a rejection of trump than an acceptance of her.

The truth is, Trump couldn't even muster the full force of the anti-Obama brigade, for someone who arguably garnered much, much more ire before her campaign ever began, compared to a guy who was a literal "who?" before he ran.

And I really, really don't think Trump is going to go against the establishment on trade, interventionism, or any of the issues affecting the working class. That's like expecting Obama to have done the same after he got elected.
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So it's difficult to say that Trump has a mandate or is part of some uprising, when it's more due to the failure of Hillary Clinton. Just like if she won, it would be more of a rejection of trump than an acceptance of her.


probably this entire electoral cycle in a nutshell tbh
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weaponized smug


I was going to say they decide to weaponize white guilt and compose their army out of groups that would make white people feel guilty.

You also give them signs and make ask them to get really angry so there are news cameras following them all the time. And then you get smug.
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And I really, really don't think Trump is going to go against the establishment on trade, interventionism, or any of the issues affecting the working class. That's like expecting Obama to have done the same after he got elected.


It was announced that TPP is dead, and he isn't in office. He might claim it though.
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>wake up
>"damn, really sucks how our VP thinks you can electrocute gay people until they're straight"
>see if Roleplayer Guild is still a rank shit hole
>see this thread
>"damn, maybe electrocuting gay people is okay as long as we democratically choose to do so."

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It was announced that TPP is dead, and he isn't in office. He might claim it though.


yea not like it was dying before he ever got elected, and both candidates came out against it and all support in the other member nations totally dissolved! it was all trump!
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>wake up
>"damn, really sucks how our VP thinks you can electrocute gay people until they're straight"
>see if Roleplayer Guild is still a rank shit hole
>see this thread
>"damn, maybe electrocuting gay people is okay as long as we democratically choose to do so."


yeah okay calm down
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N-no? I'm going to go with No for 500, Alex.
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>wake up
>"damn, really sucks how our VP thinks you can electrocute gay people until they're straight"
>see if Roleplayer Guild is still a rank shit hole
>see this thread
>"damn, maybe electrocuting gay people is okay as long as we democratically choose to do so."


Well, you have to punish degeneracy in some way. I think it's obvious that Trump disagrees with this stance and not much will be done regarding the GLBTs, but we all have dreams.
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>wake up
>"damn, really sucks how our VP thinks you can electrocute gay people until they're straight"
>see if Roleplayer Guild is still a rank shit hole
>see this thread
>"damn, maybe electrocuting gay people is okay as long as we democratically choose to do so."


Mike Pence doesn't want to electrocute LGBT+; however, he believes that a person's sexuality can be changed. I hate Pence as the next person, but he doesn't want to electrocute LGBT+ people and send them to camps. You are being crazy.

If it's a terrible place, why do you still come on here??
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Well, you have to punish degeneracy in some way. I think it's obvious that Trump disagrees with this stance and not much will be done regarding the GLBTs, but we all have dreams.


Wow, were you waiting all day to bust out that one, Edgy McCuck?
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