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"The Soiling of Old Glory" by Stanley Forman of the Boston Herald American, 1977 Pulitzer Prize Winner

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- Modern-Fantasy setting. Modern United States, but probably AU for the purpose of playing with geography and events.
- Magic returns to the world; 2016, rather than 2012. This managed to scare everyone and make the Mayans question their calendar.
- Summer/Fall of 2016 got scary, fast.
- Not Twilight or Harry Potter; this has darker political overtones because humans know about magic and various supernatural beings and are scared shitless and are freaking out. You know how people are in large groups, right?
- In the United States, the government starts rounding up people with magic.
- By Spring of 2017, animals and plants, places and things, start to emerge; energy nexuses, mythical beasts, spirits even. Coincidentally, that's around the time the Mayan calendar ends. Some people say it's the end of the world, the Mayans point out it's just the end of an age. Whoever is right, people are freaking out.
- The characters are part of a Coven of like minded people, probably with magical abilities they are just touching, in a town or city where there is an internment camp for others of their kind. They are trying to avoid being caught and figuring out a way to undermine the internment camps, to get support to their fellows.
- The characters will be forced to make some stark choices vis a vis retribution, justice, the law and nature.
- Advanced Standards.
- This RP was designed back in 2009, well before the current presidential campaign (and I'll be happy to show people the link to it, because it still exists on another forum) and I do not want to shy away from the zeitgeist of the nation, because I think it's interesting material to work with and always have. All the same, I am hoping to avoid a huge discussion of politics outside of the need to discuss it to write good fiction. Themes like the structure of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and FEMA camps and all that jazz do feature, but these are policies rather than people.
- Discord Chat here. Ask questions, collaborate, brainstorm!
- Inspirations: Anything John Carpenter did, especially "Escape from New York" and a whole lot of other stuff. Trying to avoid the touchy-feely 'magic in secret' thing. Magic is something that burst out uncontrollably and has turned everyone's lives upside down. Also taking inspiration from underground movements like the French Resistance and the White Rose, though it's also a lot of Martin Luther King meets Merlin the Magician. Someone mentioned District 13 - definitely a good thought.

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Cool fam. I will try to post a character soon but I am doing my essay for English. So, it might be awhile before I post the character. As for the other stuff mentioned in the private message, I am fine with everything you have suggested.

EDIT: Oh, I did not realize that it was not a 1x1 interested check. lol, oops. Still, I will make a character for this roleplay.
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A lot of that went into the update of the setting that I did, actually. Detainment camps and transportation into the Freakvilles also factored into how small towns would be involved as well as the walled communities.
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I think I saw this before a long while back, it looks familiar at least. Either way I'm interested in joining.
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Huh. Neat.
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Still considering doing this, definitely. I just want to make sure there is a structured plot with a goal for the coven; in this case, looking to figure out how to help people that are caught and in detention.
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Hope so. I have Norse-related concepts in mind.
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I've stumbled upon this a couple of times now. Having taking an active interest in politics as of late, I'm definitely interested in being a part of this, if it gets going.
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With enough people I can set up an OOC and some character sheet stuff and really start the discussion. I think that the setting confronts some of the underlying issues in our politics nicely, though the current situation feels closer to the setting now that we have a lively debate, in some places anyway, over immigration enforcement and a more casual attitude toward civil rights in the Department of Justice.

Beyond that, I'd be curious to see what people think makes sense for the setting location and what feels right. I mean, we can go urban or we can go more suburban in this. One of my thoughts for that was that having watched Buffy recently, the third season involves the mayor heading up a huge a conspiracy, but then when we look at Daredevil, we see the local government somewhat subverted in the process of contracting, bidding and cooperating with a criminal conspiracy, backed by a supernatural doomsday organization/corporation. With all due respect to Joss Whedon, I think I want to find a way to thread the needle on factionalism even in local politics to feed it into this.

(to be fair to Whedon fans, he made the Initiative seem sort of incompetent in the long run, due to dysfunction and conflicting agendas.)

One of my great impressions of Watergate and other political conspiracies involves seeing how it's kind of riddled with errors. Even CIA operations like the Bay of Pigs involves a lot of messy loose ends, unreliable characters and things going wrong. It's one of the reasons why I like to steer away from well-oiled supernatural shadow governments running the world as three dimensional chess players.

I also want to dig in the skulls of the players for this on how they feel about these themes and what they might take from that. I want to make sure we're collaborating and working off each other here.

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Alright, I'll make a contribution.

In regards to venue, considering your notes on urban and suburban, if the plot will allow for or require movement of characters from one place to another in order to achieve a purpose, then there would be grounds for including many different locales. If a certain described area is enjoyed by the players, then the group can linger and overcome whatever challenges that such area offers. I suppose this goes hand in hand with the notion of political conspiracy, and particularly the different layers of such conspiracy.

I clearly remember how government or corporate involvement was depicted in the film District 9. It was almost solely based on the interest in alien weaponry, which was ironically 'bio-locked' (not sure if this is a word) to the aliens themselves. If the initial reaction to magic is similar to the initial reaction of an outbreak, which it seems to somewhat be, then the next question, once the thread is contained, would be how to put this new power to use. So, maybe the overarching conspiracy would be how to weaponize magic in order for non-Emergents to use it? However, if this was the case, you would have to determine the source of magic, and how it manifests in the body of Emergents.

If there is a conspiracy of some sort, hints or knowledge of it could be a motivating factor for our coven to break down 'freakvilles' and prevent individuals therein to be taken away for experiments, deconstruction, or whatever it might be.
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That absolutely helps create a framework for plot. I am not sure that the government's sole interest is in weaponizing magic, but it certainly has groups that consider it a goal, especially if other countries aggressively pursue the use of magic as well. There are religious lobbies and civil unrest to consider, as well as containing all the spiritual events that happen with magic absent an apparent actor, ie a person using it.

It also becomes more apparent to me that we need to probably stick this right in a large city in the US. We can design one to fit or we can use an existing one heavily modified.

I'm almost in favor of inventing one.
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I am still in. I was busy with finding sources for both my government and history papers.
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Honestly, I have this weird hard-on for small towns, southern or midwestern, but locale depends on everyone else.
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There are religious lobbies and civil unrest to consider, as well as containing all the spiritual events that happen with magic absent an apparent actor, ie a person using it.


How deep do you want to go with this, though? Because I was thinking about this before, and it relates back to the source of magic, its purpose, and conspiracy. If there is any religious lobby involved in any shady dealings concerning this appearance of magic, then it would be Zionism. They would probably sway opinion in their favor by claiming magic to be God's gift to the 'chosen people', and thereby proclaim any non-jewish Emergent antisemitic and an enemy of the state. Zionists are already hated by a plethora of different secular Jewish groups, religions, and other groups of people for their violence and racism. However, this will come close to that "well-oiled supernatural shadow government" that you wanted to avoid, even if it's not entirely the same thing.

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How deep do you want to go with this, though? Because I was thinking about this before, and it relates back to the source of magic, its purpose, and conspiracy. If there is any religious lobby involved in any shady dealings concerning this appearance of magic, then it would be Zionism. They would probably sway opinion in their favor by claiming magic to be God's gift to the 'chosen people', and thereby proclaim any non-jewish Emergent antisemitic and an enemy of the state. Zionists are already hated by a plethora of different secular Jewish groups, religions, and other groups of people for their violence and racism. However, this will come close to that "well-oiled supernatural shadow government" that you wanted to avoid, even if it's not entirely the same thing.


I think this would be an interesting group to deal with. They'd be a third force that's neither on the NPC side nor on the majority of the Emergent side, while at the same time not being neutral. We could have them go against either side due to their own agenda whenever we need the plot to take a certain direction or need to introduce a threat to the characters. They wouldn't need to be a shadow organization either, if anything we could just probably draw parallels to them from real world hate groups. Organized and potentially dangerous to everyone, but no where near perfect when executing movements or plans, and they'd probably rely a lot on impressionable but unpredictable young people to carry out goals.
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Honestly, Zionism was a political lobby in the 1930's, but it never had a strongly religious component. It was labor-socialist in a lot of senses, but Orthodox Judaism was a very different thing and only had some representation in Zionist movements. Israel itself is the outgrowth of the movement, and took on a similar character of secularized youth groups that emphasized a more nationalist identity that wasn't necessarily bound by the religious observances of Judaism, which always had variation in how the traditions are kept and practiced. Within Modern Israeli politics, some ultra-conservative groups exist that are highly traditional, but they also tend to represent a minority.

The most prominent group I can think of that is orthodox and works internationally is the Chabad and they tend to focus on bringing assimilated Jews back into the fold. Their relationship with politics is basically nonparticipatory to the point where they take no official stance on the establishment of Israel.

Basically, Judaism gets complicated fast, but there's not a lot of consensus. It seems like the response to magic would be fragmented.

I'd also say that Catholicism and Mormonism, which each have lately had their internal beliefs and subcultures on display, also would have a loud argument over magic. With Catholicism, the reaction of Jesuits would be different from more conservative elements (including American ones that think very differently from South American ones who think differently from African ones) and with Mormonism, you have different interpretations of their scripture making people decide on different priorities in a crisis. There may be splinter factions, of course, like that underage polygamy cult in Arizona that claims to be Mormon, but they have no real influence.

Islam, as we know, is pretty decentralized and has been since the fall of the Ottoman Empire. So the really big religions aren't that monolithic, even the ones we'd expect to be monolithic like the Catholics. The words of the Pope are considered guidance...I'd name a couple of politicians that exemplify that, but I don't want to start an argument.

Now when we get to something like Scientology, which is a lot more cultish, heavily monied and probably would consider magic to be their tool. There are smaller protestant groups, we might have some leverage there, especially as some megachurch pastors tend to deal with a more unified base of tens of thousands rather than millions.

Luckily, America has a bunch of megachurches and the pastors collectively have influence. I also think they'd be the least paralyzed of groups with lobbying influence in American politics. Scientology, of course...well, we can see.

The next question regarding religious reaction is, what happens? Condemnation? Outreach/ministry to comfort the people detained in the camps as an act of mercy and redemption? Conversion therapy? Pitchfork parties? I'd imagine that with some of these groups, "Burn the witches!" becomes a thing.
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Also, let's shift the discussion over to the OOC.

It's definitely worth having there or in the chat.
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