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New, improved and finalized map of The German Empire, with it's two protectorates/puppets/clients/whateveryouwannacallem. (Done in HoI4's map for accuracy.) History following shortly.
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Hi I would love to take command of one of the fractured factions in Russia. In particular the white army in Crimea and surrounding area that Ukraine player hasn't claimed.


Sweet. Gonna be the remnants of the Russian navy?
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Sweet. Gonna be the remnants of the Russian navy?


I will have a fleet but it will mainly be out of date and old with no new ships. Mainly due to the fact that halting the red army on land would be main focus the white army. So navy will pretty much take a back seat.
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I will have a fleet but it will mainly be out of date and old with no new ships. Mainly due to the fact that halting the red army on land would be main focus the white army. So navy will pretty much take a back seat.


Oh of course, I wouldn't expect Russian splinters to keep an updated navy. Just remember your best resource will be Sebastopol. Shit, maybe beach a few ships to use as fortresses.
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[Coughs in Ukrainian]


*clicks on link*

"officially known as the Ruthenian State or Zaporizhian Host (Військо Запорозьке, Viys’kо Zaporoz’kе)"

That being said, I did see all that but assumed that considering the Hetman was an elective role it would make little sense to call a genuine monarchy that. And they would at least have the conception of monarchy from the Russians, who, considering the makeup of the nobility, would still be majority in control of the country.

That being said, I'll go with Vilage's suggestion and call it simply Ukraine and the leader as Hetman. Given that, is my application acceptable?
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*clicks on link*

"officially known as the Ruthenian State or Zaporizhian Host (Військо Запорозьке, Viys’kо Zaporoz’kе)"

That being said, I did see all that but assumed that considering the Hetman was an elective role it would make little sense to call a genuine monarchy that. And they would at least have the conception of monarchy from the Russians, who, considering the makeup of the nobility, would still be majority in control of the country.

That being said, I'll go with Vilage's suggestion and call it simply Ukraine and the leader as Hetman. Given that, is my application acceptable?


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elective_monarchy
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May be better to ally yourself closely to the German Empire by electing a member of German nobility as the King rather than some random general.
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Elective Monarchy triggers me. Thanks Poland.

Ignore the elected princes I have, kthx. Their not REAL nobility.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elective_monarchy


Okay, yes, but I hate elective monarchies. And since this is a reactionary nobility-led state, it's more influenced by Russian than Ukrainian political traditions, despite the origins in a republican, nationalist secession.

May be better to ally yourself closely to the German Empire by electing a member of German nobility as the King rather than some random general.


But I refuse. Someone needs to stand up to the Germans. Look at him, he's already made part of what I had claimed as western Ukraine as part of Poland, and that's not even his darn country.
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@Dinh AaronMk, @Mihndar, I think we should stop arguing; I might be paranoid, but things might get heated...

And I don't think the Germans will go Nazi this time?

@Shyri
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Just because the Cossack Hetmans were elective doesn't mean that the title can only ever be that. You'd just be invoking a title associated with Ukraine's Cossack past for the sake of cultural legitimacy, which is something that Monarchs and Dictators love to do. The constitutional details are whatever you want.
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Just because the Cossack Hetmans were elective doesn't mean that the title can only ever be that. You'd just be invoking a title associated with Ukraine's Cossack past for the sake of cultural legitimacy, which is something that Monarchs and Dictators love to do. The constitutional details are whatever you want.


Agreed.


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But I refuse. Someone needs to stand up to the Germans. Look at him, he's already made part of what I had claimed as western Ukraine as part of Poland, and that's not even his darn country.


East Poland is Polish. *gasps*

Anyways, it makes little sense that a 5 year old government can maintain control over most of their core territories, half of Belarus, and all of Eastern Poland. Especially when the same government doesn't even have full control of the Ukrainian population. In comparison, Poland as a state has existed long enough to actually hold it's cultural territory.

If you really want to get into it.

That said, I had been talking over the details of Germany over the last couple days with Aaron and Vilage. I didn't just look at what you put down, take a paintbrush to it, and scribble over what you have.
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I'll just put stripes over everything there and we can recognize it for the chaos that it is.
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East Poland is Polish. *gasps*

Anyways, it makes little sense that a 5 year old government can maintain control over most of their core territories, half of Belarus, and all of Eastern Poland. Especially when the same government doesn't even have full control of the Ukrainian population. In comparison, Poland as a state has existed long enough to actually hold it's cultural territory.

If you really want to get into it.

That said, I had been talking over the details of Germany over the last couple days with Aaron and Vilage. I didn't just look at what you put down, take a paintbrush to it, and scribble over what you have.


Western Belarus is Polish, you mean.

That being said, Aaron's suggestion is probably most accurate considering the post-Russian chaos.
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Western Belarus is Polish, you mean.

That being said, Aaron's suggestion is probably most accurate considering the post-Russian chaos.


I mean, it's the territory Poland held between 1922 and 1939. Without WW2, it's understandable it would still hold those territories, regarded as "Eastern Poland" throughout this period of history. Especially since it existed as an entity before the Russian-explosion. With no Russia invading it to take that land, either, in 1960 it would thoroughly be a Polish territory. Even if it's had to deal with a refugee crisis for 5 years. Russia exploding doesn't suddenly make it no longer Poland's border.
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Might join as a unified and/or communist India.
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The German Empire




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Leader: Wilhelm IV

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