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Yeah that would solve a lot of problems, Not giving proper credit is what really pisses artists off. A lot of us won’t care about you using it as long as you ask then credit it.


Oh jeez, I'm so sorry for being rude. I never realised all artists in the world met together and appointed you their righteous spokesperson, so you could speak on behalf of all of them.

No artist likes their work being stolen, but most of them are a lot more reasonable about it. I suggest you act the same.
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Oh jeez, I'm so sorry for being rude. I never realised all artists in the world met together and appointed you their righteous spokesperson, so you could speak on behalf of all of them.

No artist likes their work being stolen, but most of them are a lot more reasonable about it. I suggest you act the same.


Wow just making yourself look like an even bigger ass
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Wow just making yourself look like an even bigger ass


Just following your lead.
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Just following your lead.


Is it weird that actually made me laugh? 😂
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Is it weird that actually made me laugh? 😂


Nonono, don't change the subject. You always change the subject. This is why I want a divorce.
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@FrizanCongrats dude/ madam (strange pronouns I know). I like your idea of revamping the contest mod. Hope you success.

@Xanthinelullaby And yeah, most will be dealt with what @Frizanhad said above. The guild does have rules about this, but it is based on the person's will to do it. And maybe some of us are just too lazy or have no idea how to do it. So we would just leave them there. But don't worry, maybe the Mahz the Creator will do something or the mods like Ruby and others will discuss something. /shrug

Oh, and just another thing. Don't double post. Write all you have to say in one turn and then post it. I really don't want to read the introduction on page 3 while the body is somewhere around page 4.

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Can we all act like reasonable adults and not shitposting teens? That would be great. This is a discussion about site policy and the problematic issue of art appropriation not "qq this person was mean to me". Knock it off and get back on topic.
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Nonono, don't change the subject. You always change the subject. This is why I want a divorce.


But I don’t want a divorce 😁
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@FrizanCongrats dude/ madam (strange pronouns I know). I like your idea of revamping the contest mod. Hope you success.

@Xanthinelullaby And yeah, most will be dealt with what @Frizanhad said above. The guild does have rules about this, but it is based on the person's will to do it. And maybe some of us are just too lazy or have no idea how to do it. So we would just leave them there. But don't worry, maybe the Mahz the Creator will do something or the mods like Ruby and others will discuss something. /shrug

Oh, and just another thing. Don't double post. Write all you have to say in one turn and then post it. I really don't want to read the introduction on page 3 while the body is somewhere around page 4.


Sorry I’m still getting use to this website and the posting style 😰
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Can we all act like reasonable adults and not shitposting teens? That would be great. This is a discussion about site policy and the problematic issue of art appropriation not "qq this person was mean to me". Knock it off and get back on topic.


Yes ma’am 😶
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I don't think it's a matter of getting permission really. Because obviously it's on the internet and they put it up to get exposure.


I don't want to use the "exposure" card. Because that's what people do to youtuber's when they make 'reaction videos', and I find that practice far more insidious, because money is often being made. I find art usage more often a harmless crime, that everyone who has ever used the internet has committed.

If they prove their work is there's and make a polite request to the person with the copyrighted material. The other person will likely and should replace it. It's just called being a good person at that point. But every person who acts self-righteous about it, doesn't earn my sympathy and is very likely a hypocrite, even if it is a more personal picture. If it's being used on a random roleplaying forum, you bet your behind it's being used elsewhere too.

I'm not saying that's right, but I'm saying it's something you have to be aware will happen submitting your work, especially on an art sharing site. You need to be careful, you can act like your life is private all you want. But in this day and age people are willingly giving all their information the moment they use google, facebook, post a picture anywhere at all. Etc. The rest comes down to being civil and a good person. Least that's my thoughts on the matter.

My faith has dwindled over the hundreds of people, who are in fact RUDE about it and refuse to take it down. I’ve had this problem many times and I’m quite sick of it. As far as your insults go, they mean little to nothing, because you don’t know me and you haven’t been on our side of the spectrum. How would you feel if someone took from your role play posts and didn’t bother to give credit? And for your “problem” on finding the original artists, it’s called a reverse image search. Do enough research and you’ll the artist, if you don’t, then DONT USE IT.

and the image was sent to me by a friend who asked me to use it so she could always find my posts, but I’ll change it just to show that the only hypocrite is you.


I actually have had art before, commissioned and paid for by me. Some random person on the internet started using it and eventually after talking with him, he edited the colors and used it as his own. Until he eventually had money to buy his own art and he thanked me for not giving him a hard time about it. Also someone who was an asshole, who drew comics about murdering me (twice), stole music that I created and used a sarcastic picture of mine on their hate blog of me. (The glory days of being e-famous.) And you know what I lost?

Absolutely nothing. So I'm actually not a hypocrite, if people post art I paid for. I don't mind at all, because I've never felt that deeply connected to art or things like that to be an asshole about it. Not calling you that, although...

That "I'm rubber, your glue" attack doesn't really hold much weight. Because you proved my point already didn't you? You didn't need to change the image, -I wasn't the user- and yet you did anyway right away. (Though likely to Streisand Effect yourself.) You weren't even apologetic or sorry about it, you blamed me for pointing out your hypocrisy, which it wasn't an attack. It was a factual statement.

My simple point is, I wasn't judging that I know you. I'm saying you shouldn't be judging hundreds of people, whom are likely kids that aren't doing anything on purpose to you, or the person you're attacking in defense for. I'm saying, I believe that you care about artists you know and want to support. Like everyone who made a similar comment to yours, however be very well aware how easy it is to make that mistake yourself. Be a little more graceful to people who are trying to be respectful back. (Act like you currently are toward me, and it's not a wonder you were ignored.)

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I don't want to use the "exposure" card. Because that's what people do to youtuber's when they make 'reaction videos', and I find that practice far more insidious, because money is often being made. I find art usage more often a harmless crime, that everyone who has ever used the internet has committed.

If they prove their work is there's and make a polite request to the person with the copyrighted material. The other person will likely and should replace it. It's just called being a good person at that point. But every person who acts self-righteous about it, doesn't earn my sympathy and is very likely a hypocrite, even if it is a more personal picture. If it's being used on a random roleplaying forum, you bet your behind it's being used elsewhere too.

I'm not saying that's right, but I'm saying it's something you have to be aware will happen submitting your work, especially on an art sharing site. You need to be careful, you can act like your life is private all you want. But in this day and age people are willingly giving all their information the moment they use google, facebook, post a picture anywhere at all. Etc. The rest comes down to being civil and a good person. Least that's my thoughts on the matter.

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I actually have had art before, commission and paid for by me. Some random person on the internet used it and eventually after talking with him, he edited the colors and used it as his own, until he eventually had money to buy his own art. And he thanked me for it. Someone who was an asshole, who drew comic about murdering me (twice), stole music that I created and used a sarcastic picture of mine on their hate blog of me. (The glory days of being e-famous.) And you know what I lost?

Absolutely nothing. So I'm actually not a hypocrite, if people post art I paid for. I don't mind at all, because I've never felt that deeply connected to art or things like that to be an asshole about it. Not calling you that, although...

That "I'm rubber, your glue" attack doesn't really hold much weight. Because you proved my point already didn't you? You didn't need to change the image, -I wasn't the user- and yet you did anyway right away. (Though likely to Streisand Effect yourself.) You weren't even apologetic or sorry about it, you blamed me for pointing out your hypocrisy, which it wasn't an attack. It was a factual statement.

My simple point is, I wasn't judging that I know you. I'm saying you shouldn't be judging hundreds of people, whom are likely kids that aren't doing anything on purpose to you, or the person you're attacking in defense for. I'm saying, I believe that you care about artists you know and want to support. Like everyone who made a similar comment to yours, however be very well aware how easy it is to make that mistake yourself. Be a little more graceful to people who are trying to be respectful back. (Act like you currently are toward me, and it's not a wonder you were ignored.)


I do care for the artists like you said, and I do have a tendency to flip my bitch switch when it’s not needed, and it’s something I’m working on. I’m sorry if I came off rude, but you gotta imagine how painful it is, to work so hard on something, then have someone just take it and use it, without any thought of how you would feel about it, and not even bothering to credit. As an artist that’s all I would ask of people who use my art, so to see someone NOT do that, and seeing people who have done that to me on multiple occasions, it’s become a HUGE pet peeve for me.
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Yes ma’am 😶



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Not sure what to make of that 😒
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@Xanthinelullaby And yeah, most will be dealt with what @Frizanhad said above. The guild does have rules about this, but it is based on the person's will to do it. And maybe some of us are just too lazy or have no idea how to do it. So we would just leave them there. But don't worry, maybe the Mahz the Creator will do something or the mods like Ruby and others will discuss something. /shrug

Yeah, I don’t think the policy is going to change but the staff put this out here to discuss it for a reason, I imagine. Not sure how much mileage responses will have going forward, however.

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Just to address the original points of this topic.

Should we have a policy for this?


With just three instances of it happening over the course of two years, I don't think it's a very big problem. You should probably have a set of protocols you follow. But it sounds like the mod team already has one in place. If they don't want their image somewhere, and they can prove the image is theirs, simply remove it. It doesn't need to be any more difficult than that.

What if it's a new post?

Obviously we'd contact the member with the image in their CS and ask for it's removal, or should we?


I think you should. You almost have to. If you're worried about a lawsuit, something needs to be done. At least if they actually do have copyrights. From what I hear, they are quite expensive to obtain. But as others have said, it's the polite thing to do.

What if they say no?


Perhaps it would be best if it was said in the rules somewhere. But really, the forum could be put in danger, since it is essentially what is hosting the image. They simply must comply. There's not much room for debate.

Should we edit their posts ourselves?


If not outright delete it. Though I would give the user a chance to edit the post themselves.
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@BrokenPromise
There is actually a new rule in the Guild Fundamental Laws, saying in the "Don't be A- Hole" section, where the Guild Mods said that: "Don't plagiarise."
And here is the link: roleplayerguild.com/topics/163267-fun…
But the rest is yeah, I am absolutely agree.
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@Scarescrow To plagiarize is to call a work your own, which is not something any of us are doing when posting face claims. It's a bit of a stretch.
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I do care for the artists like you said, and I do have a tendency to flip my bitch switch when it’s not needed, and it’s something I’m working on. I’m sorry if I came off rude...


It's nice to see an apology, but we do understand your frustrations.

Just remember that when you signed up you would have been given a welcome package PM and it does recommended you read the site rules, which has points about keeping conflicts private, respecting everyone, and even how to address any concerns you may have. Flipping that bitch switch does oven jeopardise your reputation, your original message, and even how the others view you; at which point you may start to break the rules without intending to. :)
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I do care for the artists like you said, and I do have a tendency to flip my bitch switch when it’s not needed, and it’s something I’m working on. I’m sorry if I came off rude, but you gotta imagine how painful it is, to work so hard on something, then have someone just take it and use it, without any thought of how you would feel about it, and not even bothering to credit. As an artist that’s all I would ask of people who use my art, so to see someone NOT do that, and seeing people who have done that to me on multiple occasions, it’s become a HUGE pet peeve for me.


I'm sure it's frustrating. I've created my own stuff, it's happened to me. I've also made those mistakes and I've corrected them when asked. I've paid for my own art and usually do give credit so other's may find their work. (Bought far more physical CD's than I believe anyone smart with their money should.) But being aggressive doesn't usually get things done. Attract more fly's with honey than with vinegar, so to speak. You have to be optimistic that everyone who made that mistake, will fix that problem, if politely spoken to. But realistic about how media spreads and is shared among the internet...

Like I said. Unless (and something even if) they're using my images, songs or work without good intentions. I usually don't have a strong negative gut reaction, but I do understand I'm likely in the minority. I just remind you that there's a lot of kids and teenagers online, and adults who type "what is a search engine" into google. Reverse image searching is often something that does not cross people's minds. My point wasn't a defense for me, it was pointing out the artist likely has a much bigger battle to undergo than a single forum user. If it was found on somewhere that wasn't the original site.

However, all I can say if asking politely to the person isn't providing you with results. Then taking it to upper management is the best thing you can do. If it was my decision to make, I'd talk to the people you think uploaded your (or someone you know's) art. But I'm not. All you can do is be patient, persistent and hope your query is resolved.

Now I feel compelled to changing my avatar art to a piece I've commissioned and have someone inevitably use it on this very forum, among other things. The things I do... <.<
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