@King Cosmos There's some people with like, no extra to 4 cards total. Take Emi, for example. I legitimately don't intend to use anything except for Ice Barrier Synchros in their deck, simply because nothing else is a thematic fit. In that regard, there's a ton of stuff I don't like in your Lightsworn decklist. Black Rose, Scarlight, Omega, Crystal Wing etc. seem to be there because they have good effects rather than any themes in your deck, i.e. holy guardians summoning their big deity 'fuck off' dragon. In that regard, what is a performage doing in Nekroz? I get its effect can be synergetic, but it's be real weird for a random clown to pop up in the midst of a slew of cosplaying peeps. Jigabyte still sorta fits because Nekroz certainly has a few monstrosities, though.

And no, you don't need to swap out Nekroz. What I *will* expect and ask is to not play them optimally, though. I'd rahter not every duel with your number one be 'summon - negate activate - negate - negate - negate' as that is incredibly boring to read.

And I could throw in a few S/T suggestions for Nekroz.

Ice Mirror- Summoning card and Nekroz work with mirrors anyway.
Spiritual Water art Aoi - Nekroz do rituals anyway, rituals in which they sac themselves, so this slots right in.
Ritual Weapon - Nekroz dress up anyway and some of them are level 6 or lower, so giving them a boost in ATK like this works really well.

Theese are just random suggestions after five minutes of searching in YGOpro, though, so don't take them as the be all end all and don't feel pressured to put them in. All I'm saying is, these cards aren't as thought about and, sure, you'd never play them in an actual Nekroz deck, but that's the fun part. You don't *have* to make this a real deck.

As for the Gagaga ones- I've actually played Gagagas before in RPs. I selected the monsters I went for very carefully, making sure to stay within the boundaries of spellcasters and warriors for the most part. They don't have to be the most versatile thing in the world as there's a lot you can do with very little. In fact, I urge you to take a look at this youtube channel. He often does scripted duels which he animates by re-editing clips over a greenscreen in the BG of YGOpro, and makes sure to be very faithful to character playstyles and decks. Some of my favorites are to be found here and here, which show off how well you can script with not too much to work with.

I also recommend checking out this one. Akaba Leo has a total of six cards, yet Yumers gets creative and makes it work anyway. Hell, Akaba Leo is winning for the most of it.

@Ammokkx

I've changed the extra decks for all of my deck lists, trying to stick to cards of the same attribute or type as the main deck. The Mecha Phantom Beast extra deck is still a little full though.

I may have to change from Nekroz anyway. I've never played them before, never even played against them, so I don't know how well I can script a duel for them.

@King Cosmos

alright, different problems I have found. I'll go character by character here
going from fifth to first

Keita, Great character. well done and everything.

Jasmine, I only have one problem with her however, This is a huge problem I have with just her, How did she get to rank 4 at the start of the year (which hasn't taken place yet because that's where we start) this is highly unrealistic and I would love it for you to change this into her transferring during the fourth quarter of the second year then she might have had time to rank up accordingly

Touma, There aren't a lot of things that are wrong with him, heck there is NOTHING wrong him at all and he seems to be a great character but... you did say he is the tallest student from all Water dorm which restricts what I can do with Water Dorm student NPC's

Asahi, I have plenty of issues with him, for one How did he get to this rank if he doesn't challenge often. with not often I'd expect less than the average students who are fighting for the top

The academy doesn't just put you at rank 2 based purely on skill. You still have to duel your way up and prove it by beating a lot of people. Asahi can be as good as he's stated to be, but if he didn't duel very often, he'd maybe land around rank 15 to 10 rather than all the way up at 2.

okay after saying all that let me say this.
Asahi is still an awesome character and fits the Water dorm perfectly. He represents exactly how calm waters can become the most devastating storms when you least expect it.

Kanna, Alright as I went through Kanna the more I look at her the more problems I notice but as I go through them those problems became a plus considering the Water Dorm leader

Alright the same issue as with Jasmine here, to quote what your sheet says

"At the beginning of her third year, she finally made the call to switch to a new deck and chose Nekroz for its apparent versatility and the fact that it was still at least a Water attribute deck. With this new deck, it was like a weight had been lifted from her shoulders and she saw massive improvements to her dueling that rocketed her to the top of her dorms rankings."

I am going to say this is the biggest issue with her

The same problem as Jasmine, The RP takes place at the start of the third year, in other words, she would be using her new deck for the first few times putting her at a lower rank possibly at the same rank Asahi would be if what your sheet says is true

How did Kanna get rank 1? if Asahi is rank 2 then HOW did Kanna get past Asahi if they never dueled? Did Asahi refuse to duel her? Kanna would have been number 1 if that's the case, but Asahi's reputation would have been known as the guy who let a girl get past him without putting up a fight

@King Cosmos Well, if you want my take on matters:

The not being familiar shouldn't be too much of a worry. I haven't played a single game of Ice Barrier in my life, 'Synchro Dragon' is very disjointed and messy with me not doing archetypes and I don't know how 2 synchron.

The MBP extra could still remove these cards, I don't see why they should stick around:

Lightning Chidori. What's this random electrical animal doing among freakin' AIRPLANES YEEEEAAAAHH! ?
Castel seems like an odd choice. He's just a dude with a gun, what, is he the pilot? ...Don't answer that.
Gaia Dragon- Dragon riding knight. airplanes yadda yadda- you get the point.
Gear Giant X- Searchers don't seem like much of an issue, and if you want a big beater you've got maindeck options enough.
Ally Of Justice Catastor is an anti-light killbot. Not really a vehicle or anything, just an eradication killbot.
Tornado Dragon... Okay, nevermind, I'm giving you this one. that's clever.

The other cards are either big floaty things in the sky or vehicles of some kind (if with a lot of firepower) so I don't have any issue with them, they seem to fit.

Jasmine, I only have one problem with her however, This is a huge problem I have with just her, How did she get to rank 4 at the start of the year (which hasn't taken place yet because that's where we start).

That's on me for misunderstanding the setting. I thought we were partway through the third year already and that the third year rankings were based entirely on your performance in your third year; as in, third year wipes the slate clean and you all start from scratch.

I'll make the change you suggested and have her transfer in towards the end of the second year.

Touma, There aren't a lot of things that are wrong with him, heck there is NOTHING wrong him at all and he seems to be a great character but... you did say he is the tallest student from all Water dorm which restricts what I can do with Water Dorm student NPC's

6'0 is pretty damn tall for Japan and I kind of specifically wanted him to be the tallest. I'll reword it to say "one of the tallest" if its an issue, or maybe just bump his height up to be more exceptional?

Asahi, I have plenty of issues with him, for one How did he get to this rank if he doesn't challenge often... the academy doesn't just put you at rank 2 based purely on skill.

I guess I didn't make it clear enough but the thing with Asahi is that he does have a huge number of wins purely from other people challenging him, enough to be considered one of the best duellists despite not throwing out any challenges of his own. I am also under the assumption that there was no Top 5 for first and second years and that was only for your third year, so the first two years would be entirely ELO based.

The same problem as Jasmine, The RP takes place at the start of the third year, in other words, she would be using her new deck for the first few times putting her at a lower rank possibly at the same rank Asahi would be if what your sheet says is true

Again, I misunderstood this part. I'll change it to say she swapped decks sometime in her second year.

How did Kanna get rank 1? if Asahi is rank 2 then HOW did Kanna get past Asahi if they never dueled? Did Asahi refuse to duel her? Kanna would have been number 1 if that's the case, but Asahi's reputation would have been known as the guy who let a girl get past him without putting up a fight

So I think I need the ranking system cleared up at this point, because I seem to have made a lot of misconceptions.

My understanding was that the first and second years were ranked based on an ELO system where you gain points from wins and lose them from loses. Under this system it should be possible for Kanna to rise above Asahi without ever facing him, simply by accumulating more points by dueling other people.

I then thought that all ranks were eliminated at the start of the third year and you started accumulating points from scratch. This is clearly not the case. So, do the ranks from your second year just carry over then? Whoever is top of the seconds years becomes #1 at the start of your third year?

I think my mistake was thinking that there was only a Top 5 for your third year, with the previous two years being purely points based. I'll have to rethink things then, because I really wanted Kanna vs Asahi to be like a dream match that never happened kind of thing but that seems impossible with this system unless I have Kanna beat Asahi to the Top 5 and just always stay ahead of him.

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The MBP extra could still remove these cards, I don't see why they should stick around:

Lightning Chidori
Castel
Gaia Dragon

They are all Wind attribute Rank 4 XYZ. I honestly don't have much to work with.

Gear Giant X

Again, there is a limited selection of Rank 4 machines. I'll add in Heavy Armoured Train Ironwolf though, since I only just noticed it and it seems to fit.

Ally Of Justice Catastor is an anti-light killbot. Not really a vehicle or anything, just an eradication killbot.

I can make a level 5 synchro and, again, limited selection. I can replace it with Hi-Speedroid Chanbara since its a wind, machine spaceship thing, but I wanted to avoid dipping into other archetypes.

Tornado Dragon... Okay, nevermind, I'm giving you this one. that's clever.

I don't know what I did or why this is okay but the other wind monsters aren't.

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They are all Wind attribute Rank 4 XYZ. I honestly don't have much to work with.

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Again, there is a limited selection of Rank 4 machines. I'll add in Heavy Armoured Train Ironwolf though, since I only just noticed it and it seems to fit.

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I can make a level 5 synchro and, again, limited selection. I can replace it with Hi-Speedroid Chanbara since its a wind, machine spaceship thing, but I wanted to avoid dipping into other archetypes.

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I don't know what I did or why this is okay but the other wind monsters aren't.

Being limited is *not* a bad thing, though. Let's take a look at other people's deck lists:

Satoshi only listed 'Numbers' in the extra for Naoki. Granted, Numbers are huge af, but a lot of them are archetype or type locked so she has to get incredibly creative trying to summon them, but that becomes less of an issue once you realize she's a collector.

I only listed 'Genex' monsters. That's about, what, 11 monsters? half of which the deck struggles to summon and the other half that just don't do much?

Knights limited himself to only the E-HERO fusions, but E-Hero's kind of stonkers huge so he's more of an exception than most.

Plum limited himself to the B.A. lineup, 3 cards, and the 'Entity' lineup, 6, for a total of 9 Extra Deck cards.

Then we get to Deluge, who purposefully shafted himself the hardest. He only uses Jurrac and Grenosaurus, which if I recall from memory, is a total of 4.

You're also forgetting maindeck monsters in all this- Extra deck summoning isn't the only way to deal damage. Naoki's kind of screwed into the extra, but that's her entire shtick. Masaru can use Genex Solar or Commander, Yute has Bladedge or Neos(base), Leonard has a fall back ritual and generally a more drawn out playstyle and Hikaro has like Super Conductor Tyranno and Jurrac Tyrannus to fall back on.

Tetherwolf and Sabrehawk fill that role for your maindeck, being able to deal damage. You also have your trap card, Sonic Boom, which allows you to boost them up even further for a desperation play, making you have to rely less on your Extra Deck. Speaking of which, tbh, with their nice ATK values your three E.D. monsters in MPB are good enough to hold their own through most duels. It seems rare to me that you'll ever need to use anything else. That's not even talking about the effects, where Draccossack sits on his ass being hard to remove, Jacuslan works well as a final push and Conco-Ruda protects your tokens pretty nicely. All three of these create gamestates that require a lot of effort to go over just by themselves, so that's not a bad thing.

The reason why I found Tornado Dragon to be more fitting that the other two is because of course having that many airplanes and helicopters in one place would cause a boatload of wind, not to mention them getting sucked up as overlay units and circling the tornado seems pretty fitting.

By the way if you wanted to avoid digging into archetypes, Ally Of Justice is an archetype -w-

My point is, you don't need a stonkers huge extra deck. Generally, the closer you can keep it to your core the better. MPB have a lot of cards to work with as is and create nice enough fields mostly on their own, so there isn't much need to look to the generic card pool when you've already got these options available to you.

...Heck, you mentioned earlier how Gagaga is a toolbox for the extra, right? Well, keeping in mind that this is 4k, it really doesn't need to be. Gagaga Tag is a pretty insane boost card with how often you're going to be summoning and Samurai even lets you attack twice, dealing huge amounts of damage in the process. Cards like One-Shot and Wonder wand also boost the ATK of your spellcaster Gagagas a little further, which allows them to push for even more damage. You can even be cheeky, playing turn 1 cowboy in DEF, dealing 800, protecting it and then swinging over whatever boss monster they summoned next turn with the ATK position effect.

Well, that's just my take on matters anyway. All I'm trying to do is encourage you to get a lot more creative and think more outside the box, because I'm sure Sat doesn't care nearly as much as I do about decks. This is a story we're writing for, not a real game.

@Eklispe

Popped in to say this before I went to bed, but you put Tina inside of Hiroji's hider.

Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu can't prove that. Unless you took a screenshot. Which I'm hoping you didn't.

@Eklispeone of your npc's seems to be hiding in another npc's hider

oh you fixed it

Edit:

You asked for it

Ah but you can prove that that hider doesn't exist independently of the other hider?

like so

prnt.sc/iu6lui

jokes aside investigating your character for a while, yup other than the rank stuff seems fine to me, quite a nice slew of characters, but i rather you not put in the characters tab yet

Okie Dokie, wasn't quite sure how the rank thing worked but figured I'd give you my general idea for how it went down and have you correct it from there.

All of your examples of people having small extra decks are fine, but don't really apply to MPB as they are capable of hitting more levels than those other decks. Even if I limit it to machines that look like vehicles I have access to Ranks 4, 7 and 10 and synchros 5, 6, 9 and 11. The extra deck is going to be a bit bigger because of this.

Plus, going into Draccosack every duel isn't great.

That said, I get your point and I'll remove Chidori, Castel and Gaia. I'm keeping Gear Gigant X as having to search for a card once in a while instead of always top decking what I need is good sometimes. I would add in Phantom Fortress Enterblathnir but I don't expect to ever use a level 3 other than Hamstrat.

By the way if you wanted to avoid digging into archetypes, Ally Of Justice is an archetype -w-

I'll admit I forgot this.

...Heck, you mentioned earlier how Gagaga is a toolbox for the extra, right? Well, keeping in mind that this is 4k, it really doesn't need to be. Gagaga Tag is a pretty insane boost card with how often you're going to be summoning and Samurai even lets you attack twice, dealing huge amounts of damage in the process. Cards like One-Shot and Wonder wand also boost the ATK of your spellcaster Gagagas a little further, which allows them to push for even more damage. You can even be cheeky, playing turn 1 cowboy in DEF, dealing 800, protecting it and then swinging over whatever boss monster they summoned next turn with the ATK position effect.

I can tell this is going to be an adjustment for me, since I didn't expect to even have the Gagaga cards on the field long enough to read their names before I overlaid them. Like I said way at the start, this is my first Yu-Gi-Oh RP so please bare with me as I adjust to the idea of being able to make whatever crazy play I want instead of always going for a better boardstate.

Lightsworn is going to be tricky with 4k.

@King Cosmos Well, at least you seem to geddit a bit better than you did at the start. I'm not going to be the ruling deity that tells you exactly what cards are and are not allowed, so I'm honestly fine with you keeping Gear Giant X. My whole spiel was more about how you didn't really need to rely on those cards at all as there's plenty you can do with little, and just because you can doesn't mean you should, but I don't have much of a problem with your decks anymore. Anything else would prolly just me being a bully, so as far as I'm concerned you're good on that front.

If Sat considers you accepted (which idk if he does) I do too.

@Eklispe >random fire formation cards

REEEEEE

Jokes aside, while I'd have liked a little more creativity in the card choices, it's not like you're putting in Torrential Tribute and Bottomless Trap Hole. As far as I'm concerned you're good on that front.

I kind of don't get how your number 1 relates to his deck, though, if I may be entirely honest. Nor dancing, nor the moon nor cute monster girls seem to be a key part of Lance and I don't feel like someone who only tries as hard as they need to for their goals falls in line with that deck. If anything I'd see him play something a lot slower, like Iunno, Evol or something. Just like how Lance slowly creeped up to where he was at his own pace, Evols slowly build up to becoming big and powerful. Not that I have an issue with them playing Lunalight, it just seems like a very odd choice.

Since Sat considers you accepted, I don't have a leg to stand on anyway =P you got the go-ahead to post it in the CS tab from him

@Satoshi Kyou

I've made the changes to the characters that you asked for, to explain how Jasmine and Kanna got into the Top 5 in time for their third year.
I've also tweaking Asahi's backstory a bit to hopefully better explain his ranking and how he and Kanna have never duelled before; I'm sold on the idea of them never having had a match before so I'd really like to make that work if possible.

@King Cosmos Seems like everything is alright now, I'll have to explain how the rankings work at some point because it appears I am not good at making things clear

just expect a post at some point better explaining how i see my ranking system

Since I have approval from both @Ammokkx and @Satoshi Kyou I have added my dorm to the characters tab.

So, after talking it over with Satoshi, the first post is coming!

...at the end of the week. Specifically, Friday. It's already written up, don't worry about that, but Satoshi wants some time to mentally prepare I think. Anyway, we have enough players to feel confident at least.

@Ammokkx@Satoshi Kyou

Is there going to be a discord for this, to allow for easier discussion and setting things up?