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@King Cosmos Mystic Codes are allowed, depending on its effects of course, no one has decided to bring them along for one reason or another.
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@vancexentan okay, cool. Here's my Master then.


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@vancexentan any comment on my Master?
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I thought I said I passed it apparently it didn't post but ill accept it
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@King CosmosAny chance for a post soon?
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Alright its been a bit so ill make my post with orson's info later.
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By the way, I would like to do a few adjustments to my character. Especially where it concerns mystic codes (since they were never mentioned the in the character sheet, so I didn't know whether or not we could ever have any meaningful ones), as well as a few modifications to my character's magical foundation to make it more like Shikibu's Witchcraft(Lyric/Poetry).
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Alright what would you want to add?
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I'll have an edited CS here later.

It's nothing really special. Just the tools needed to round up Hifumi into an archetypal magus.
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By the way, I'm not trying to be antagonistic IC.

It's just that from the point of view of the Nasuverse's lore that we are aware of, everything Hifumi heard so far is nothing other than absurd.

- Illusionism is a blatantly weak style of magic in the Nasuverse because of the way magic works here. As well as hw magi resist to other's magic.

- Memory alteration magic is a parlor trick for magi. Countering it is just as simple as countering any other kind of external magic influence. If you are good enough to be a family head you should be able to deal with magic of all but someone worth the title of Brand or Grand and even then, over the course of time, the spell would grow weak and be countered automatically by your magic.

- Dark Magics (which I suppose are things like witchcraft, and curses) is something so unimportant to European magi that the Mages Association doesn't even teaches people about these subjects, only of general ways of countering them if need be. The Middle Eastern and Far Eastern magecraft traditions are light years ahead of Europe when it comes to these subjects.

These three things are so basic that a properly trained mage like Hifumi, couldn't help but feel flabbergasted by the idea that anyone would take the Greys seriously because of this.
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Well its certainly coming across that way to me personally. Orson just had his name, title, and the skill of his men insulted by a girl less than half his age. More over I'm not sure what you're expecting from me at this point in terms of exposition. What Orson said happened, or at least appeared to have happened. You don't need to shuffle through every single thing I say in the OOC, or IC as incompetence.
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Well its certainly coming across that way to me personally. Orson just had his name, title, and the skill of his men insulted by a girl less than half his age. More over I'm not sure what you're expecting from me at this point in terms of exposition. What Orson said happened, or at least appeared to have happened. You don't need to shuffle through every single thing I say in the OOC, or IC as incompetence.


I, huh... didn't say that.

My character is just a simple run-of-the-mill magus. Even someone who's supposed to a really good personality like Rin is quick to insult inferior mages that anger her, that's not to say anything of truly proud people like Kayneth who got instantly abhorred Kiritsugu's disrespect towards magic.

Hifumi's opinions are just compatible with her view of the world and knowledge as a magus, nothing else. I'm not commenting it OOC anymore, am I?

But the world view of a mage who's well educated and proud of their craft is very narrow.

Nothing that doesn't completely turns her word upside down will change her opinion. And, even then it may be hard, since stubbornness is a characteristic of most mages simply because of the way they do things.

I just want to be sure you are not taking this as an attack. You seem to be a rather defensive person so it's better to be proactive in making my point clear when I'm going against the flow.

Again, I'm not mocking you, but everything that Orson said about the Greys are super generic paltry tricks from the point of view of a mildly-trained mage considering what we know about the world of Fate. It's only natural to react with astonishment when you are told you are part of an elite group formed to fight apparent amateurs.

So, why don't you take the time to actually make them be as threatening as you are saying they are, when they appear IC? Then, maybe Hifumi will change her mind, even though that's unlikely to happen.
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PS: By the way, I don't even want more exposition (or a reason to fear them IC), if that's what you are thinking.

In fact, it's pretty likely that more information will only trigger more quips from Hifumi if it's something that feels wrong to her.

She has no reason to fear these Grey fellows IC (and she's not even the only one in the group who thinks so), Orson being forceful won't really change her mind.
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I'm not trying to make you fear them. Be she views them as paltry mages, or not is her view point. Even simple magics can be trained to be something worth reckoning. In many pieces of media you can see characters who through generations, or years of training take the bare basics to refine something into something special. I'll give you one bit of information out of character that Orson doesn't have. The Grey's magics can influence not just the brain, but the body as well. They can cause insanity, paranoia, permanent loss of memory, and cause the body to react irrationally. A person can try to move their leg and suddenly their tongue muscles are the ones moving. They're not poor mages. Just because they don't fart dragon fire doesn't mean they don't have tactics that suit them. They also have other tricks but I'm not spilling the whole enemy's bag of tricks open before we even gotten out of the office. Orson's actions are in character for a prideful man. And they aren't malicious on my end because I had Anderson publicly get up and gently reprimand both parties then had Orson apologize personally afterward.

I will say that I am becoming very agitated at this point if it wasn't clear enough. You haven't stated a single positive thing about me, or the roleplay in general and from my point of view been acting very antagonistically. I already apologized for my own actions be them intentional, or not towards others in this but so far I've seen nothing but critical comments about my choice in villains, the plot, the servants, and myself. From my point of view all of your comments are making me out to either be incompetent, or downright malicious while you're doing nothing wrong. If someone has a comment about the roleplay I'm willing to listen but just on the basis of this so far apparently you want me to restructure the roleplay's primary antagonists just because you think the characters suck talent wise, or because your character believes them so. This is a roleplay not every single thing needs to be adherent to canon.

However I will warn you I will remove you from the rp if you keep trying to nitpick everything I'm doing. The purpose of my actions are to attempt to either balance, or make a fun roleplay. Not everything needs to make sense within the lore of canon if it works for the aesthetic of a roleplay. If you want me to give the Grey Family more offensive magic so be it. I figured I've already made the apparent danger of enemy caster, and later in the long term Saber clear, and as you've already said yourself the main proponents of combat in the roleplay will be the servants. Save for two of the enemy masters who actually are combatant fighters I don't intend the Grey family to present in direct combat. Their spells can be negated with time, and their actions are all dependent on how we act. Charging headfirst in isn't the best way to fight them. Attrition, and twiddling down their numbers, and space to breath is how best to fight them.
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I'm not trying to make you fear them. Be she views them as paltry mages, or not is her view point. Even simple magics can be trained to be something worth reckoning. In many pieces of media you can see characters who through generations, or years of training take the bare basics to refine something into something special. I'll give you one bit of information out of character that Orson doesn't have. The Grey's magics can influence not just the brain, but the body as well. They can cause insanity, paranoia, permanent loss of memory, and cause the body to react irrationally. A person can try to move their leg and suddenly their tongue muscles are the ones moving. They're not poor mages. Just because they don't fart dragon fire doesn't mean they don't have tactics that suit them. They also have other tricks but I'm not spilling the whole enemy's bag of tricks open before we even gotten out of the office. Orson's actions are in character for a prideful man. And they aren't malicious on my end because I had Anderson publicly get up and gently reprimand both parties then had Orson apologize personally afterward.

I will say that I am becoming very agitated at this point if it wasn't clear enough. You haven't stated a single positive thing about me, or the roleplay in general and from my point of view been acting very antagonistically. I already apologized for my own actions be them intentional, or not towards others in this but so far I've seen nothing but critical comments about my choice in villains, the plot, the servants, and myself. From my point of view all of your comments are making me out to either be incompetent, or downright malicious while you're doing nothing wrong. If someone has a comment about the roleplay I'm willing to listen but just on the basis of this so far apparently you want me to restructure the roleplay's primary antagonists just because you think the characters suck talent wise, or because your character believes them so. This is a roleplay not every single thing needs to be adherent to canon.

However I will warn you I will remove you from the rp if you keep trying to nitpick everything I'm doing. The purpose of my actions are to attempt to either balance, or make a fun roleplay. Not everything needs to make sense within the lore of canon if it works for the aesthetic of a roleplay. If you want me to give the Grey Family more offensive magic so be it. I figured I've already made the apparent danger of enemy caster, and later in the long term Saber clear, and as you've already said yourself the main proponents of combat in the roleplay will be the servants. Save for two of the enemy masters who actually are combatant fighters I don't intend the Grey family to present in direct combat. Their spells can be negated with time, and their actions are all dependent on how we act. Charging headfirst in isn't the best way to fight them. Attrition, and twiddling down their numbers, and space to breath is how best to fight them.


You truly didn't get what I mean, did you?

I'll explain myself once more just to make it clear. But first, let say that I wouldn't just to "troll" someone else's RP. What would someone even gain from that?

I'm not asking you to change anything you have in mind. That would be presumptuous of me. I'm not even asking you to adhere to canon, since blindly following it isn't a very smart thing to do.

What I said so far is that you are fundamentally mistaken about many of the core concepts of the Nasuverse in general despite linking posts to the wiki so often. Not that all the information there is credible by any means either way.

As a proof of such. What you described are effects of some pretty run-of-the-mill curses. Gandr itself can do most of that "unconventional magic" you've described. A mage that focuses on "spitting dragon fire" for is usually no good either so don't think that I'm asking, or suggesting that.

Not only that, but magic like that is supposed to be easy to counter for other mages. Interfering blatantly with other mages' bodies and minds is very hard to do because the magic energy from within them counters that of the outside.

Think of that like how you push the water off a pool out of the way when you get into it, but the water also pushes back also. Or how a spring deforms under a force but also pushes back against the thing pushing it.

Either way, I'm not asking you to change anything if that's what you are thinking. I suppose that this much is clear at the very least, right? If I was being antagonistic, I wouldn't bother to talk about these things, in the first place.
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If I may interject I believe the IC conflict has now migrated to OOC. In keeping with civility I suggest you both drop it. Characters butting heads IC is fine, welcome even. I like how all the mages gathered are jerks. Yes they have to work together, but they have their own quirks and agendas that inform their actions.

In the same vein, us as roleplayers might want things for our own characters but we also have to consider the bigger story. Tis a dance of compromise.

So sayeth his gracious Grittyness
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I appreciate your attempt at stopping the conversation Gritty I'll drop the matter.
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Ok, there you have it, an edited CS:



I didn't actually change anything but rather just elaborated further on what her magecraft is supposed to be able to do. I hope that this makes Hifumi more interesting since now people have an idea of what to truly expect of her.
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Alright I'll allow the mystic code. If it were on a more offensively capable mage I would be more hesitant but as it stands Gandr is the only spell capable of real offensive style, and it is a cast from body, not mana.
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Alright I'll allow the mystic code. If it were on a more offensively capable mage I would be more hesitant but as it stands Gandr is the only spell capable of real offensive style, and it is a cast from body, not mana.


Thanks.

Like I said, she's not a fighter so it's alright.

Hifumi's deal is being an specialist mage with a very great deal of skill in a narrow field of expertise. Fighting is naturally not part of it.
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