@Cu Chulainn Sorry, friend. The Toreador aren't in the habit of manufacturing hounds. If they need soldiers, they can create a ghoul. Much more useful, because they can still walk around in the day time. If they need assassins, they hire a Nosferatu. Their own ranks are reserved for those who make themselves useful in the social scene.

Also; I don't buy the 'blade work as art' angle. Violence, especially against humans, is very clearly designated in this system as something that tears down and erodes your humanity. The Toreador love of art connects them more strongly to their humanity. To me, that reads the two as being mutually opposed, within the rules.
Having studied combat tactics and traditional martial arts, I can also attest that serious fighters do not think of themselves as 'artists.' Performers, maybe, but to think of the violence inherent to being a trained killer as 'beautiful' is the sign of a deranged mind, not an artistic one. Good instructors are trained to look for that kind of thing, when they're training new soldiers. It's an easy way to identify a sociopath.

No; You'd be much more likely to find a soldier or a fencer who considers what they do 'performance art' among the ranks of the Brujah. The notion that a Brujah can be calm and precise when needed is a much easier sell, to me, then trying to justify violence as art. I would have made a connection to a Toreador who sired this kind of kindred with an anarch, but you pointed it out yourself; that train of thought would be more in keeping with the sabat.

Yea, no, sorry; It would be far easier to see a Brujah siring this character then a Toreador.

@Cu Chulainn From your description I'm imagining a quite literal toreador. A Latin Lover archetype with tight pants and a rapier. He sounds super cool!

@pugbutterSeems he's dropped interest in this, unless I'm mistaken. His status was updated to show as much. I'm not going to close this IC, but it may take a while before we have enough players to start.

Still accepting new players. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

@pugbutter How for/against the storyteller running a character in their own game would you be? DMPC is the usual term, though not sure it applies here.

I ask because I think we might get a bit more traction if we can actually get the RP up and running, but I don't want to do it with less than three characters in play. Speaking of;

@Dark Cloud If you're still interested, I think I've come up with a way to build a character for you and to explain the basics of the system. As long as you can use some manner of instant messenger (discord, for example) then I think we could pull it off. As for information about the setting:
It's not perfect, but this wiki is a good start. At the very least, it will give you a good idea of what you're looking at, in terms of lore.

@Necroes Well that is problematic as I can't open discord on my current device.

@Dark Cloud Can you use any sort of instant message service? KiK, chatzy, I think a few e-mail systems allow for instant messaging. Just anything that would let me text you in real-time instead of through forum style posts. We Could do it all through PMs, it would just take longer.

Also, are you able to peruse the link I gave, and is so, do you have any questions about the world/setting as a result?

@Necroes The link works just fine, I'll give it an in-depth look in a bit. But I don't have any way to instantly message, I kinda have an alternative though in the way of I use a collaboration site to set up a text document with an instant chat.

@pugbutter Still interested? You never answered my question, so just thought I'd check. I'm teaching Dark the rules, and he's picking it up fast. If you're okay with running with a DMPC for a little while, then we should be good to start at some point soon.

@Necroes Can you walk me through building a character?

Sounds like it's necessary. So the choice is really between there being a game and not. Not much of a choice, if you ask me.

What's the party composition looking like so far though?

@pugbutter Honestly, running a DMPC, I'd be playing something to offset the rest of the group. If we need a social character, I can do that. If we need a combat character, I can do that. If we need a stealth character, I can do that.

As soon as Dark and I figure out what he wants to bring to the table, though, I'll let you know. Guessing you're still looking at a tremere?

Depends on the plan to introduce older character I guess. Plan A was a Ventrue embraced in the '70s, probably NYC.

@pugbutter Essentially; The current in-game year would be in the early 2000's. Characters from an earlier time would be the result of a specific Prince deciding to stake a bunch of licks to use as a personal back-up army in the event some foreign power ever came to blows with him. With that Prince recently losing power, the current Prince decides the local vampire population needs to be increased after the events that lost the last Prince their throne. So, the reserve-licks get awakened, coming off of ice and getting tossed into the modern world.

@pugbutter So, Dark is looking at making a thin-blood alchemist. Assuming you're okay with my idea to intro your character, I've got a pretty solid foundation as setting up the group as essentially outcasts that are put up with because the local prince really can't afford to dismiss anything that even vaguely resembles a resource, no matter how weird they are, as long as they don't threaten the masquerade.

So, what 'role' (for lack of a better term) would you ventrue be filling?

He'd desperately want to be the party face (you know, as you do #justventruethings). Whether he gets it is up to the coterie.

@pugbutter Seems Dark is wanting a smart/social character, too. The two of you would probably get along well... And I've got an idea for a third that, I think, would really bring the group together as a unit.

@pugbutter So yes we arte thy faces.

@pugbutter So yes we arte thy faces.

The Ventrue would be the face. Your character would be more of the brains. The Ventrue can make social issues go away with vampire magic among mortals, and prestige associated with his clan among kindred.

Thin-bloods tend to cause as many issues socially as they solve. Making a thin-blood the face of the group, in any capacity that deals with other kindred, would be like painting a 'shoot me' sign on yourself. Likewise, while you can be good at dealing with humans socially, a thin-blood will never match a ventrue for sheer charisma.

@Necroes The point is I can go outside during the day without problems, which lets me get more done. And more stuff done means more net profit.