Doivid said
Let's keep in mind whenever one 'side' pushes a policy/law that gives more power to a group (like the police) it's usually not coming from a political ideology, but instead a precaution against civil unrest. I'm not saying it's impossible that liberals would have supported the law, but by and large anyone at the grass roots level was either complicit or being used. From a purely strategic point of view, it's just practical for holding onto power.

No.

Doivid said
Let's keep in mind whenever one 'side' pushes a policy/law that gives more power to a group (like the police) it's usually not coming from a political ideology, but instead a precaution against civil unrest. I'm not saying it's impossible that liberals would have supported the law, but by and large anyone at the grass roots level was either complicit or being used. From a purely strategic point of view, it's just practical for holding onto power.

Political parties up here have this habit of introducing bills without consulting public opinion, and it's often been the reason they've been promptly booted out the next election.

Trust me, I'm politically moderate, I actually lean more liberal than conservative in a lot of ways, and this current conservative administration's done quite a few things I'm not exactly comfortable with, so I wouldn't be opposed to a change of power in the next election.

I'm still allowed to call out a government for making awful decisions that enable a scandal-ridden police force to do shit like that out on it. The main problem with previous liberal administrations is they're the kind of party that does things without really thinking about it, so they end up doing a lot of awful, uninformed things without really weighing in if it's necessary. It's the kind of mentality that gets playground equipment banned at schools because kids might hurt themselves (totally happens), bans tag at schools (happens), and basically coats everything in a thick layer of political correctness as to not offend anyone, resulting in everyone getting frustrated. Not to mention approving a bunch of projects that go way over budget and are often completely unnecessary/ alternate solutions weren't sought. It's part of the reasons I left Ontario, the provincial liberal governments that have been in power for nearly as long as I've been alive have been mind-flayingly awful and have done a lovely job running the economy into the shitter.

To give you an idea of how bad it is, all you need to do is look at Rob Ford. Now, he's pretty right-wing, but people were so desperate for a change after horrific city mismanagement that they took a chance on that guy.

Desperate people do stupid things.

Once again, I'd like to lament that I'm not anti-liberal, just the particular parties that had been elected that I've lived under since I've been alive.

The Nexerus said
No.

Well I wouldn't expect you to, you're /pol/.

Doivid said
Well I wouldn't expect you to, you're /pol/.

What's /pol/ and what does it mean to be them?

The Nexerus said
What's /pol/ and what does it mean to be them?

lol

Dervish said
Rob Ford.

Please don't take our glorious leader.

Doivid said
lol

Good answer.

I like small government, but I'm not an anarchist nutjob. Investing in the police force is rarely done to discourage dissent, least of all in somewhere like Canada.

The Nexerus said
Good answer.I like small government, but I'm not an anarchist nutjob. Investing in the police force is rarely done to discourage dissent, least of all in somewhere like Canada.

Yeah, usually the population's pretty chill.

Unless their hockey team shits the bed in the playoffs.

The Nexerus said
Good answer.I like small government, but I'm not an anarchist nutjob. Investing in the police force is rarely done to discourage dissent, least of all in somewhere like Canada.

thanks!

Like it wasn't done for g20 in toronto.

Shy said
Please don't take our glorious leader.

The man. The legend.

The last video sounds like some kind of shit you'd see in WWE.

I meant more that we're a civilized Western democracy with a high standard of living, but sure. We're rational too.

Dervish said
Yeah, usually the population's pretty chill.Unless their hockey team shits the bed in the playoffs.

the population of any place is pretty chill, but things in canada are not doing much better than in the US.

The Nexerus said
I meant more that we're a civilized Western democracy with a high standard of living, but sure. We're rational too.

I'm not sure how any of those adjectives don't apply to the US, or are mutually exclusive with growing restrictions on personal freedoms. Canada certainly isn't exempt from that.

and don't worry, I set you up for a snarky jab at the US instead of a legitimate response.

^ Restrictions on personal freedoms have decreased under the current government.

Doivid said
thanks!Like it wasn't done for g20 in toronto.

The G20 protesters flew in to do so, and not just from other places in Canada. There are some people so disillusioned that they'll spend a month's salary to go protest the government for no particular reason.

The world would be a significantly better place if everyone who calls themselves an anarchist disappeared overnight.

The Nexerus said
The G20 protesters flew in to do so, and not just from other places in Canada. There are some people so disillusioned that they'll spend a month's salary to go protest the government for no particular reason.The world would be a significantly better place if everyone who calls themselves an anarchist disappeared overnight.

That's interesting, I'd like to read about that.

I'm not sure what anarchism has to do with this discussion, other than the implication that it was anarchists who provided the main push for the protests.

The Nexerus said
^ Restrictions on personal freedoms have decreased under the current government.

how so?

Doivid said
That's interesting, I'd like to read about that.I'm not sure what anarchism has to do with this discussion, other than the implication that it was anarchists who provided the main push for the protests.

You're not sure what anarchism has to do with resistance to the government? I'm sorry to hear that, but if you can't connect the dots already you're probably not worth enlightening.

Doivid said
how so?

The repeal of the long-gun registry, restrictions on lobbying and a bill of rights for veterans.

The Nexerus said
^ Restrictions on personal freedoms have decreased under the current government.The G20 protesters flew in to do so, and not just from other places in Canada. There are some people so disillusioned that they'll spend a month's salary to go protest the government for no particular reason.The world would be a significantly better place if everyone who calls themselves an anarchist disappeared overnight.

I still don't know why they host G20 summits, because I seriously wonder what they accomplish other than the host city getting trashed, dozens if not hundreds of people arrested and detained (often illegitimately), and sometimes people get killed. Couldn't they all, I don't know, have a Skype call and save the tax payers a boatload of money, and if they did have to meet up, not spend millions on making things like fake lakes and other giant money sinks? The G8 summit in Huntsville had barely any protestors because nobody wants to drive that far up North, and the police can block off the highways leading it it. Why not hold the G20 there, or at one of the several military bases where you can easily prevent civilian access?

The Nexerus said
You're not sure what anarchism has to do with resistance to the government? I'm sorry to hear that, but if you can't connect the dots already you're probably not worth enlightening.

lol gotta love this style of debate.

The Nexerus said
The repeal of the long-gun registry, restrictions on lobbying and a bill of rights for veterans.

gonna have to look into the others more, but the lobbying restrictions look p. sound. Sounding a little too good to be true, however.

^ Some people have also called the repeal of the long-form census a defence of privacy rights.

Dervish said
I still don't know why they host G20 summits, because I seriously wonder what they accomplish other than the host city getting trashed, dozens if not hundreds of people arrested and detained (often illegitimately), and sometimes people get killed. Couldn't they all, I don't know, have a Skype call and save the tax payers a boatload of money, and if they did have to meet up, not spend millions on making things like fake lakes and other giant money sinks? The G8 summit in Huntsville had barely any protestors because nobody wants to drive that far up North, and the police can block off the highways leading it it. Why not hold the G20 there, or at one of the several military bases where you can easily prevent civilian access?

I agree that it shouldn't be held in the middle of large cities, but I'm sure there are people who wouldn't like that on the grounds that it makes the world leaders in question less vulnerable to the angry fly-in mob.

On another note, protests of that sort are a rotting corpse to the maggots that are the protesters.



There is a reason that every single one of those people on the right is carrying a camera. They're standing around waiting for some drunken college student to attack police and get struck, so that they can snap a few pictures and call it brutality or assault. Police in this country are restricted heavily in what they can do to both defend themselves and uphold law and order.

Legislation should favour the police officer over the criminal.