[OOC] Kill the heroes and take their stuff!

[Primal Conundrum]

@6slyboy6
You can have a live mount, but you'd be losing in speed what you'd be gaining in close combat effectiveness. It's not gonna be as quick as an enchanted vehicle, and wounds are gonna probably take longer to recover from than damage that can just be repaired.

As far as an Orcish vehicle though, I can think of some ideas. I could see them having some sort of dune-buggy looking vehicle powered by "the fury of battle", which is to say it goes faster the angrier and louder they are.

Also I'm not really picturing these as Warhammer Orcs, partially because I've always hated reading the way they talk. Probably closer to a Warcraft Orc as far as language goes, and if you've seen the movie probably a good comparison of physical strength vs. a Human.

[KRIEEEG]

Update to Zokox: Thanks to 6slyboy6, now he officially hates Orcs that talk with a ghetto accent.

[KRIEEEG]

You have an Orc, you don't want a small fast dune buggy, you want a motherfucking tank with a spiked battering ram and shields all over it. Make it fueled by the blood of your enemies.

[Primal Conundrum]

@KRIEEEGValid point, I mostly just find the visual of a furious, screaming, veins-popping-out-of-his-neck-in-anger Orc whipping around in a little, spike-covered dune buggy hilarious.

Older idea I had for an Orc vehicle was one that was basically a big stone wheel they crank by hand with a little platform to ride along with. Can't really turn, but get it up to speed and that 10-foot stone wheel is gonna barrel over anything in its path.

[6slyboy6]

@6slyboy6
You can have a live mount, but you'd be losing in speed what you'd be gaining in close combat effectiveness. It's not gonna be as quick as an enchanted vehicle, and wounds are gonna probably take longer to recover from than damage that can just be repaired.

As far as an Orcish vehicle though, I can think of some ideas. I could see them having some sort of dune-buggy looking vehicle powered by "the fury of battle", which is to say it goes faster the angrier and louder they are.

Also I'm not really picturing these as Warhammer Orcs, partially because I've always hated reading the way they talk. Probably closer to a Warcraft Orc as far as language goes, and if you've seen the movie probably a good comparison of physical strength vs. a Human.

@Primal Conundrum

That doesn't mean they can't talk orcish, right? I want the Warcraft Orcs for sure, I feel you on that, but to get in "da mood" I'd rather speak crude orcish. Because honestly, how many times have you met an Orc in the game that spoke perfect English?

Also, I have ideas for vehicles too, but wouldn't that hinder the whole "take pride in the hunt" and "Chaaaaaaarge!" feel? Especially for the Warcraft Orcs.

Awww why @KRIEEEG? We love listening to all the lil' gits chatterin' ain't we. But we get on wiv it not smashin' dem headz.

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@6slyboy6, there's crude English, then there's the specific brand of Warhammer 40k Ork English. You can sound savage without sounding like THAT. I would actually (and I am not joking about this) rather listen to a loud, 28k dial-up modem than listen to how those Orks talk.

Also I'm not talking about Warcraft Orc culture or the vehicles they would use (though keep in mind that Warcraft Orcs built and used airships with superheavy artillery guns), I was using them as a point of reference for their size & strength, as well as the sound of Orcish.

The fact is that this setting is in a transitional period where traditional weapons and modes of transport are becoming outdated. Guns are becoming popular and vehicles are becoming more widespread. There are going to be groups that still cling to using live mounts, but we can look at real-world history to see that it's only a matter of time until vehicles improve enough to render live mounts completely obsolete in about 99% of situations. The Orcs (and other groups) that cling to the old are the ones that are likely going to wind up charging at tanks with a lance and getting wiped out eventually. The groups that survive are the ones that adapt or find ways to make new technology and discoveries fit with their traditions.

After all, it doesn't matter how much pride an Orc takes in the hunt or in battle or whatever, a musket shot delivered from the back of a truck that he can't catch is gonna make him rethink his methods of combat. Also, CHAAAAARGE usually only works if your foes are NOT in vehicles that are larger / more durable than your own.

[6slyboy6]

@Primal Conundrum
Are you gonna ban me if I still want 40k Orc English?

Yeah I get it, I probably want a tank of some sort. That said, something along the lines of a giant mammaloid or arachnoid armored to **** can probably be a fearsome thing that can also fight on its own.

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@6slyboy6
Is using 40k Orc English more important to you than playing in this RP? Ball is in your court on this.

And like I said, you can have a live mount. I'm just trying to make sure you understand the cons of that. Frankly, I would seriously not want to fight an armored elephant IRL, so I'm not trying to say that a large, armored mount wouldn't be dangerous. Like I even said earlier, you'd be gaining in close-combat effectiveness what you'd be losing in speed. The challenge is getting to close combat in a vehicle situation when you're on a meat-based mount and you're against faster people with guns. It's easier to replace a ruined chunk of a vehicle than it is to patch up a bear that took a cannonball to the side, after all.

[6slyboy6]

@Primal Conundrum How fast exactly. Now, I know what you mean, but as "cons" go, a wolf could go in a forest, whilst a tank couldn't and it won't br able to take down all the trees. A buggy can get stuck in mud and etc. Also, staying with the idea of a giant wolf, a wolf can run around 50 km/h at chase, but trains that come out early that ran on OPTIMISED TRACKS had max speeds between 40-60, so I bet that a car would be slower. Thats not counting magic of course. Maybe a giant mecha wolf?

[KRIEEEG]

As the Orc looks like the one guy who will have a tank, can Zokox be used as a cannon ball?
Or if going for a live mount we can have a decent synergy: I fly ahead and slow people down, you get close and beat them up.

On an unrelated note, I vote for 6slyboy6 to use his ghetto accent, but please, dial it back a little bit.

"We love listening to all the lil' gits chatterin' ain't we. But we get on wiv it not smashin' dem headz." Acceptable

"Orcz, gobs an' all da over gits got togeder to defend 'emselves from da spikies and mo' zogs." Don't you fucking dare

There is a not so fine line between a bit of fantasy realism and a punch into our mental ears.

[Primal Conundrum]

@6slyboy6
Any form of transport has its drawbacks. Vehicles can get stuck or run out of gas, mounts can die of thirst or starvation and they get injured way easier. Also, that speed of a wolf giving chase? I'm assuming that's a wolf unencumbered by armor, an Orc, the Orc's armor, and the Orc's weapons and other equipment, if any. The rate of advancement in vehicle tech, compared to that of the real world, is accelerated due to the addition of magic and the ability for different factions to simply take the knowledge they already have and apply it in a new direction. Yeah, IRL early vehicles were limited in speed, but IRL we didn't invent jetpacks during that era either.

The best I can do I suppose to give you an idea of what you'd be jumping into is if you pictured someone riding a giant wolf in Mad Max. It's cool, but compared to what's going on around it it's probably not one of the more competitive choices available.

Some sort of golem is the closest that anyone might come to doing anything mecha, but it would only be fitting if it were from some magic-heavy or artifice-heavy culture, like Dwarves or something.

@KRIEEEG
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Illithid already is bringing a tank.

[KRIEEEG]

IMO, depending on the animal, it could be faster than some vehicles. Remember, we're talking magic here. You'd probably catch up with the slower ones, but those badass body fueled bikes should prove a problem.

A mecha wolf would be more of a futuristic ride. A bit way too technologic advanced for the setting.

My sugestion would be an annimal in full armor that is decently fast but also can jump. You lose speed, but gain not only combat effectiveness, but also versatility. My sugestion? A full plated giant quaggoth.

This fucker

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Quaggoth

Usually they stand 7 feet tall, but to carry an orc you would need more, much more. Make something up to have him being a dumb giant and you're good.

On the top of my head I'd go with:
- Your family/tribe breeds them with various species for various purposes. Your's happens to be a mix with a giant, used for mounts. This would also explain how your family/tribe is trying to adapt to the new thingies called vehicles while staying as close as possible to the Orc's principles.

- You stole it from a crazy Drow who was experimenting with it. The Quaggoth is frenzied, but recgonizes you as it's savior, so it allows you to mount it. Nice little relationship as in Dragon Age origins with the Dog.

- It was born this way and as such, expelled from it's tribe. When you found it a connection was immediatly forged, as you are also an outcast from your own tribe.

[KRIEEEG]

@Primal Conundrum
Ohh yeah, forgot about that overpowered dude. Well, I'm not mad, either way I'm going to be shot out of a tank.
Also, leave my jetpack out of that discussion, Zokox had a hard time stealing it!

[Primal Conundrum]

@KRIEEEG
Frankly if you're hellbent on having a live mount, your best bet would probably be some sort of giant insect. Heavy, armored exoskeleton, probably some redundant legs, probably carnivorous, might even be capable of super clumsy flight. The angles of such a creature, combined with its natural armor, would also probably make it more resistant to ballistic weapons than a wolf with comparable armor. Top speed won't be as quick as a vehicle still (though a giant centipede would be able to fucking haul ass), though tbh I don't really think that a live mount is going to be outperforming a vehicle in the speed department unless it's a Kobold on a cheetah or something.

@KRIEEEG
I will not leave your jetpack out of it any more than I'll leave my necrocycle out of it! Both are examples of the sort of vehicle / mode of transport that can exist in the setting, and not bringing them up when talking about the tech level / degree of sophistication of transport is just not a good plan.

[6slyboy6]

@Primal Conundrum The way I think of it is this: I want a mount that allows my Orc to swing his axe like a fucking badass, whilst that animal can also fight, probably equipped with an armor resilient to most basic firearms, at teh cost of not being able to outrun a fucking dune buggy. I don't need an OP mount, but tanks here and there, you won't answer the: "What is scarier than a gaint fucking spider?" with any vehicle. So yeah, if youa re ok on a an rmored giant spider or quaggoth, that can take most firearms on with teh armor, then I probably will go with that. That said, if worst comes to worst, i already have a very cool vehicle idea in my head that could replace THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF ORC CULTURE.

Edit: Imagine a very warm and fuzzy feeling inside you as I send my best regards @KRIEEEG

[KRIEEEG]

Damn, now I want a giant beetle. I would name it Vokon Wudak, a.k.a. V.W., the beetle.

[KRIEEEG]

I'm almost pissed off with my choice of vehicle and character. So much stuff to choose from.

After Zokox Explobomb! invitably dies in a comicaly epic way I'm going for a berserker guy in a huge fucking stone wheel. Or another comic relief character, they are cool.

[6slyboy6]

@KRIEEEG Dun steel me idea ye git! Big stone weel iz mine!

[KRIEEEG]

@6slyboy6
Not if Zokox accidentaly blow you up.

Sorry, didn't meant to steal it. My bad

[6slyboy6]

@Primal Conundrum

I brouht a present for ya spiky hummi.