Westboro Baptist Church

[Lucian]

Is coming to my city to picket at a memorial for a ten year old girl who was murdered recently.

[ActRaiserTheReturned]

God hates Westboro Baptist Church.

[Protagonist]

I actually think he does, ActRaiser.

I really think the things they do ought to be illegal. In fact...someone should create a movement dedicated specifically to counter-protesting them.

[ActRaiserTheReturned]

Protagonist said
I actually think he does, ActRaiser.I really think the things they do ought to be illegal. In fact...someone should create a movement dedicated specifically to counter-protesting them.

Yeah, I agree too. I don't believe that you should be cruel to anyone you disagree with. The God Hates Fags people don't know anything about the Bible they thump. God gave Sodom and Gomorrah time and time again to repent, this was back in the Old Testament when God was always on a punishing spree. Even then he didn't hate what they call fags.

[Shy]

this is relevant

[Gwazi Magnum]

Why am I not surprised? -.-

[Protagonist]

ActRaiserTheReturned said
Yeah, I agree too. I don't believe that you should be cruel to anyone you disagree with. The God Hates Fags people don't know anything about the Bible they thump. God gave Sodom and Gomorrah time and time again to repent, this was back in the Old Testament when God was always on a punishing spree. Even then he didn't hate what they call fags.

They've clearly never read Exodus 20:7 or anything else about the pharisees.

[mdk]

I just wanna sit down with these people and go over what the word 'Samaritan' in the 'Good Samaritan' means in context.

[Protagonist]

Er...why?

[Meth Quokka]

Protagonist said
I actually think he does, ActRaiser.I really think the things they do ought to be illegal. In fact...someone should create a movement dedicated specifically to counter-protesting them.

Patriot Guard Riders do it for military funerals.

[Gwazi Magnum]

ActRaiserTheReturned said
Yeah, I agree too. I don't believe that you should be cruel to anyone you disagree with. The God Hates Fags people don't know anything about the Bible they thump. God gave Sodom and Gomorrah time and time again to repent, this was back in the Old Testament when God was always on a punishing spree. Even then he didn't hate what they call fags.

Also I meant to reply to this last time, but didn't feel like it then.

Romans 1:26-27
Leviticus 20:13
Leviticus 18:22
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
1 Timothy 1:8-10

Just a handful of Bible Quotes that outright says God doesn't like Homosexuals/"Fags".

Not defending Homophobia in the slightest's.
Religion's Homophobia is one of many reasons I despise and disagree with Religion.

But to claim that those who are Homophobic aren't following their Bible?
That's just an inaccurate statement.

[mdk]

Protagonist said
Er...why?

Because the then-modern religious establishment had branded Samaritans in particular as impure, worthy of systematic hatred and discrimination, and Jesus was actually pretty not-okay with all that. He hung out with whores and lowlifes, too. It's obviously a bit presumptuous of me to say 'THAT MEANS GOD THINKS GAY PEOPLE ARE AWESOME,' but I choose to believe that if the second coming happened tonight, some of your modern religious leaders might be just as shocked at the outcome as the pharisees were. And I could give some more bible on that point if anybody's interested, but I don't think anybody is.

[Protagonist]

Magic Magnum said
Also I meant to reply to this last time, but didn't feel like it then.Romans 1:26-27Leviticus 20:13Leviticus 18:221 Corinthians 6:9-101 Timothy 1:8-10Just a handful of Bible Quotes that outright says God doesn't like Homosexuals/"Fags".Not defending Homophobia in the slightest's.Religion's Homophobia is one of many reasons I despise and disagree with Religion.But to claim that those who are Homophobic aren't following their Bible?That's just an inaccurate statement.

None of those verses seem to support the particular actions of Westboro, however. There's a big difference between thinking Homosexuality is a sin and running about picketing funerals accusing random people of being homosexual with no evidence whatsoever so that you can harass them. Seriously, anytime something bad happens, Westboro will begin to celebrate it. Their motivations are clearly not biblical ones.

[Gwazi Magnum]

Protagonist said
None of those verses seem to support the particular actions of Westboro, however. There's a big difference between thinking Homosexuality is a sin and running about picketing funerals accusing random people of being homosexual with no evidence whatsoever so that you can harass them. Seriously, anytime something bad happens, Westboro will begin to celebrate it. Their motivations are clearly not biblical ones.

I'm not claiming the Westboro Baptist are justified (Though no one is justified for these things simply cause "God Says so").
Or that they're not completely heartless and idiotic, cause they are.

I'm just pointing out that the Bible does indeed speak out against Homosexuality.
So to claim the Bible doesn't hate Homosexuality is false, hell within those passages I linked it even calls for their death for it.

[Commander]

Seeing as the Bible was written 2000+ years ago by some guys with various revisions and interpretations since then, I treat it much like Wikipedia; not a credible source. It's nothing more than a belief. No physical entity exists. I can understand why we have religion as people need a place to turn to, however I often feel bad for some of them. Go to an emergency room and look at the various people there, whether it was from a car accident or cancer that spread to the brain, and pray for them. Remove the doctors, the science and technology, and tell me how that belief works out for them.

Anyway, I digress. The folks at Westboro are like the trolls in Spam, they crave attention and enjoy causing controversy. I don't think you should clump those in with people that are serious about their religion and aren't missing a few screws in their head. The nice thing is, many people use larger signs, vehicles, etc to physically block these parasites and can go about their funerals or what not, in relative peace, as they should. Unfortunately it's their freedom of speech to be there with signs, as long as they aren't violating other laws in the process.

[ActRaiserTheReturned]

Protagonist said
None of those verses seem to support the particular actions of Westboro, however. There's a big difference between thinking Homosexuality is a sin and running about picketing funerals accusing random people of being homosexual with no evidence whatsoever so that you can harass them. Seriously, anytime something bad happens, Westboro will begin to celebrate it. Their motivations are clearly not biblical ones.

In particular, God includes anyone who has ever lied, even the "white lies" as people headed towards Hell if we don't accept Jesus as our Savior. That includes everyone in the Human race as Hell bound, so no, while God does not approve of homosexuality, it doesn't mean he thinks they're (Fags) or that he hates them.

[ActRaiserTheReturned]

Magic Magnum said
I'm not claiming the Westboro Baptist are justified (Though no one is justified for these things simply cause "God Says so").Or that they're not completely heartless and idiotic, cause they are.I'm just pointing out that the Bible does indeed speak out against Homosexuality.So to claim the Bible doesn't hate Homosexuality is false, hell within those passages I linked it even calls for their death for it.

The only verses calling for the death of homosexuals are in Leviticus, and ancient Israel does not exist anymore, and that law was particularily laid down for Ancient Israel.

[mdk]

ActRaiserTheReturned said
In particular, God includes anyone who has ever lied, even the "white lies" as people headed towards Hell if we don't accept Jesus as our Savior. That includes everyone in the Human race as Hell bound, so no, while God does not approve of homosexuality, it doesn't mean he thinks they're (Fags) or that he hates them.

In fact, one of the most-quoted verses in all of Christendom reads "God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." If we're following the example of Jesus, then, and we believe that homosexuality is a sin, we should be ready to die on the sinner's behalf, out of love for our common man.

[Gwazi Magnum]

Commander said
Seeing as the Bible was written 2000+ years ago by some guys with various revisions and interpretations since then, I treat it much like Wikipedia; not a credible source. It's nothing more than a belief. No physical entity exists. I can understand why we have religion as people need a place to turn to, however I often feel bad for some of them. Go to an emergency room and look at the various people there, whether it was from a car accident or cancer that spread to the brain, and pray for them. Remove the doctors, the science and technology, and tell me how that belief works out for them.

[2]

I was only referencing the Bible to disprove the claim people were making that the Bible and God aren't Homophobic.

ActRaiserTheReturned said
The only verses calling for the death of homosexuals are in Leviticus, and ancient Israel does not exist anymore, and that law was particularily laid down for Ancient Israel.

Still part of the Bible, still Gods word.
Outside of the Old Testament claim (and even that is controversial if going by Bible quotes. Also, saying it's no longer counts simply cause Christians find it inconvienient doesn't work. You want to say God told you to ignore what he said? Show me where he himself [And note, being atheist when I say where he said that, I mean where what is supposedly him, the Bible says that], not what Christian's want him to have said). The Bible isn't very keen on telling people to just ignore what it says.

mdk said
In fact, one of the most-quoted verses in all of Christendom reads "God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." If we're following the example of Jesus, then, and we believe that homosexuality is a sin, we should be ready to die on the sinner's behalf, out of love for our common man.

That's honestly the way I'd prefer Christians to interpret the Bible.
However, that still means the Bible is claiming Homosexuality is sin,
May it also say "Die for them" or not, if it's calling the sexuality a sin, then the Bible is in fact being Homophobic.

[ActRaiserTheReturned]

Magic Magnum said
[2]I was only referencing the Bible to disprove the claim people were making that the Bible and God aren't Homophobic.Still part of the Bible, still Gods word.Outside of the Old Testament claim (and even that is controversial if going by Bible quotes. Also, saying it's no longer counts simply cause Christians find it inconvienient doesn't work. You want to say God told you to ignore what he said? Show me where he himself [And note, being atheist when I say where he said that, I mean where what is supposedly him, the Bible says that], not what Christian's want him to have said). The Bible isn't very keen on telling people to just ignore what it says.That's honestly the way I'd prefer Christians to interpret the Bible.However, that still means the Bible is claiming Homosexuality is sin,May it also say "Die for them" or not, if it's calling the sexuality a sin, then the Bible is inf act being Homophobic.

It depends on what you say homophobic means. If you say it's being discriminatory, then no, because of already mentioned reasons.