The Bandit King(Mild Fantasy/Medieval Action RP)

[KaelRavenheart]

So, I wanted to do an RP about a group of bandits who are led by a particularly strong bandit who has an odd set of morals. They are hired by a small town to be their protectors and defend them from other dangers. Eventually, the bandit leader would become king of the small village and begin to gather followers to his cause, intending to overthrow the corrupt government of the small country. This would essentially start out as a group of bandits, then branch out into an interesting rebellion RP. There will be mild fantasy, not much in the way of creatures or fantasy races, but there might be some sorcery and perhaps a magical entity or two. Mostly it would be skilled humans though. So, what do you guys think?

[Aristocles]

Could I play as a bipedal fox rogue named Grace?

[KaelRavenheart]

What do you mean by fox rogue? Is she literally a fox on two legs?

[Aristocles]

Yes. I don't like to think of her as "anthro", but something like that. Human-sized, but with fox-like fur, snout, claws, feet, pads, tail, ears, etc.

[KaelRavenheart]

Hmmm, I think that would be a bit too far fetched for this RP. If she was a neko fox I could accept her, but like I said, the idea is to have this be mild fantasy. A human sized talking fox doesn't quite fit.

[ZayZe]

Seems interesting.

[Aristocles]

I can make her a bit smaller than a human, if you want. It's not much of a stretch, and I've wanted to play this character for a while.

[KaelRavenheart]

Really, I want the characters that are played to be at the very least human in appearance, or close. I'm sorry to disappoint you. I would really like to have you in my RP, but I don't want to make it too out there. I have a couple other RPs though that are more fantasy oriented that she could be a part of. Namely, my "Relics of Ahz Khar" RP. It's right at the top of the interest check list in Casual RP right now. If you aren't into that one, I also have one called, "The Haven" in the the Casual RP list, also near the top right now. She could work there too.

[Aristocles]

Don't be so inflexible, please. If not for that one detail you are holding out, this would be a perfect fit. I used to be stubborn on points like this, and it sucked.

[KaelRavenheart]

I'm really sorry, but it would compromise the idea I had. This RP is supposed to be more medieval fight and clash than fantasy, and a bipedal fox is just not in line with my vision. I'm allowing minimal fantasy, and I would make an exception for you if she was a neko, but as it is.... I have to stick to my guns. Again, I'm very sorry.

[Aristocles]

The problem is, this isn't about your vision. The RP is a collection of many people's ideas coming together to form a cohesive whole. I had to learn that the hard way. I still must insist that you let her in. A Neko is just as unrealistic, you know. I don't like Nekos. So, I will ask again, please just let her in. One exception. You can do that. It is far easier to let me in with Grace as she is than to convince me otherwise.

[KaelRavenheart]

In the end, you are correct. But there are always guidelines and rules to follow, and I must insist that my guidelines be adhered to. I've made my decision. I'm sorry if you are offended, as it is not my intent, but you are asking me to change what I view as one of the core principals of this RP. If someone came on and asked me if we could do a modern RP with this idea I would also say no, as I've envisioned it in a medieval setting. I respect that different people have different ideas, and I welcome them, but your request isn't one I can grant.

[Aristocles]

Yes, you can. There's no rule stopping you from doing so. This isn't changing the whole setting, but you trying to tell me what character I can or cannot use. And you've admitted I am correct. Rules and guidelines don't exist for their own sake, but for a greater good. If the core principle has to change (and this is not a case of that), so be it. You'll have a lot more fun. Don't be so stubborn, please. The only thing stopping this from working is your saying no. If a rule or guidelines is overly restrictive, it should be changed.

[KaelRavenheart]

Okay, umm, I am not being the stubborn one. In the end, this is my RP. I've given you my answer, I've given you the conditions under which she could be entered, I've even suggested other RPs that I have that she could work in. It's impolite to ask for permission to submit a certain kind of character and then call me stubborn when I decide against it. In the end, you are submitting your character to my RP, I am not fitting my RP to your character. That's how it works on here. You submit characters and they are approved or not. In this case, it's not. You can't say I am inflexible and stubborn simply because I don't want to change my RP for your personal preferences of which character you want to use.

[Aristocles]

This is not "how it works" around here. There are no rules on the site which specify what you have said. The only thing holding it up is you. Call me impolite if you want, but I have been more than courteous towards you, and have explained the situation, even getting you to admit I am right. Why you continue to deny me after admitting I was right is beyond me. I've been running RPs for years and I have almost never rejected a character, and when I did, it took very slight modifications to fix it. You may have an idea for this RP, but you don't own it. This is not yours and yours alone, and your ideas are not the only ones which go into this. It's not you changing your RP to fit my preferences, but you having me change my character to fit yours.

Look, maybe we can compromise. But not on the Neko thing. Maybe a woman who can turn into a bipedal fox?

[Aerandir]

KaelRavenheart said
There will be mild fantasy, not much in the way of creatures or fantasy races, but there might be some sorcery and perhaps a magical entity or two. Mostly it would be skilled humans though. So, what do you guys think?

Aristocles said
This isn't changing the whole setting, but you trying to tell me what character I can or cannot use.

In a way yes you are changing the setting. He said not in the way of fantasy creatures or races. Your character is another race/ creature which is against his "core setting" though I admit having magical entity's could spur he effect of other races in the rp and with the wording "mostly human brings up the fact of the chance of other races being in the rp. And allowing half cats opens the door to foxes and orcs and all that.

Just a thought

[GossipGirl]

I'm interested.

[Aristocles]

A Neko is no more realistic than a full bipedal fox. If one is okay, the other is too. Just saying. I actually feel discriminated against. Please be fair. That is all I am asking.

[KaelRavenheart]

Aristocles said
This is not "how it works" around here. There are no rules on the site which specify what you have said. The only thing holding it up is you. Call me impolite if you want, but I have been more than courteous towards you, and have explained the situation, even getting you to admit I am right. Why you continue to deny me after admitting I was right is beyond me. I've been running RPs for years and I have almost never rejected a character, and when I did, it took very slight modifications to fix it. You may have an idea for this RP, but you don't own it. This is not yours and yours alone, and your ideas are not the only ones which go into this. It's not you changing your RP to fit my preferences, but you having me change my character to fit yours.Look, maybe we can compromise. But not on the Neko thing. Maybe a woman who can turn into a bipedal fox?

As I said already, this is not that kind of RP. I realize I may have worded my statement improperly and you took it to mean an entire agreement. I meant it in the way that, In the end, it is a collection of ideas from a group of people. However, in the beginning, I, being the thread poster, have a right to refuse characters. If I wanted to be a jerk I could just say no finally and tell you to take your business elsewhere and while it would be extremely rude of me to do so, I would have the right. Now, I'm not saying that at all. In fact, I rather like the compromise that you have come up with. I will allow her to be a human who is able to change shape, but it would be treated as a transformation rather than her actual species. Is that acceptable to you?

Aerandir said
In a way yes you are changing the setting. He said not in the way of fantasy creatures or races. Your character is another race/ creature which is against his "core setting" though I admit having magical entity's could spur he effect of other races in the rp and with the wording "mostly human brings up the fact of the chance of other races being in the rp. And allowing half cats opens the door to foxes and orcs and all that. Just a thought

I only considered allowing nekos because of the insistence that she was showing about her character, but I see your point. I am not rejecting inhuman characters out of hand, but I would like them to be human in appearance at least, and closely related to humans in actual nature. That is my limit, not my baseline. When I said magical entities, I was largely referring to NPCs, not actual characters. I was informing interested parties that they may run across a magical entity or two in the RP, not that I would allow them as characters.

[Aristocles]

Yes, that is acceptable to me, but just barely. It was the very limits of what I am prepared to do. Anyway, she will be a human rogue with a fox amulet that allows her to transform. While she is in fox form, she will be, for all intents and purposes, the same as if I had her as a fox-person. Normally, I wouldn't do that, but if that is what it takes, so be it. I'm not the stubborn one, so I will compromise on this point.

Anyway, Grace, who you have just forced me to turn into a woman, is the daughter of a sorceress, who happens to be 100% human as well. When her mother died, she was left with only a few trinkets as inheritance. She was cared for by her alcoholic uncle until she was 18, when she was left out on her own. She became a dancer at a tavern, and supplemented her income by thievery. When Grace was 21, she tried on the fox amulet and turned into the orange-furred, bipedal fox that I think of her in my mind and that she is in every other RP I will ever use her in, without exception. She is somewhat smaller and weaker as a fox, but she is faster and has far better senses, along with better climbing abilities. She can switch between forms simply by touching the little wooden amulet, which is fox-shaped.

Although I am prepared to accept the compromise I have myself suggested, I should point out that since you have allowed my character for all practical purposes, it would do no harm to just let me take her all the way.

EDIT: So if magical entities exist, why can't we play as them? They're still in the game universe no matter if they are PCs or not.