Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

[Polymorpheus]

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[Meth Quokka]

@Kangaroo be in my thread like:

@Dynamo Frokane

I am indeed known for my propensity for a beer.

[Penny]

I thought you were a sapiosexual penny? Who cares how short he is as long as he's got a tall brain right?

@Dynamo Frokane

In a fantasy island setting id take smart short guy over a tall dumb one. Fortunately real life dosen't force such choices on me and I can have them tall and intelligent!

[Dolerman]

@catchamber

[Dolerman]

<Snipped quote by Dynamo Frokane>

In a fantasy island setting id take smart short guy over a tall dumb one. Fortunately real life being not hideous & female dosen't force such choices on me and I can have them tall and intelligent!

@Penny

FTFY

[Dolerman]

I wonder where @Cameleon stands on this topic.

[Kassarock]

I always find the height thing a little strange.

I mean I don't know if this is cos' I'm a gay or because I'm 6'3", but pretty much every guy I've ever dated has been shorter than me and I haven't really cared. In fact my current relationship, and my longest one before this were both with guys who were about 5'8" - so its not even that I settle for people a little shorter than me cos I'm a lanky fuck.

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

I have noticed for one reason another males seem to be, as a generalized statement, uncomfortable or insecure around females who are taller than them. This I am curious to as I have witnessed this time and again, not only in conversation but in behavior. Athleticism among females has become more tolerated and desirable - as the new age gym culture has shown - but the height aspect seems to still be a point of contention. Intellectually? I have not seen a bias one way for or against smart, intelligent, wise or cunning women versus those who are naive, uneducated, foolish or uninitiated. The only correlation I have noticed by large is that they avoid those who they view as manipulative, which is a wise quality regardless of gender.

So speaking of height among sexes, I am at a loss as to why this is. I am certain there is some study out there about this, to which I suppose I now need go investigate. I would, as a note of interest, like to hear further informational opinions about this matter of heights as I have never given it too much thought.

[Xandrya]

@Dynamo Frokane

I was crushing on someone I met in school for years, and I mean literally years. He was about 5'7, but he was the smartest person I've ever met, and I'm not talking about academics. He always had an answer for everything, and a damn good one. We were friends but we never dated, even though I would occasionally ask him (and he claims he asked me once).

We lost contact for a while then my defenses and expectations went up. If others had them, so should I.

Haven't looked back since.

Great post, btw. I agree with the author in that it's fine both women and men have their expectations, as well as take the advice that they should venture outside of their little perfection bubble.

[Cameleon]

I personally never understood the hight requirement for dating. Sure I'm into guys that are tall, but it's not a deal breaker if they are my hight or close to it. What matters most to me is that we get along and that our personalities mix. I guess being 5'4 though does make most guys a lot taller than me so my perspective is a bit skewed

[POOHEAD189]

I have noticed for one reason another males seem to be, as a generalized statement, uncomfortable or insecure around females who are taller than them.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

Yeah I never did understand this. I mean, most women I've talked to who spoke about the height thing said it made them feel secure. So I suppose the man would feel inadequate if he wasn't taller than the girl, since despite our cultural influences, attraction is pretty much instincts you can't really control at the end of the day.

Though this can bleed into their social and financial life too. A lot of guys I know are intimidated if a girl is more successful than them, while at the same time, a lot of women I know do want a man who is financially or socially stable before they even consider anything. Which can also be common sense, but it does fit into the 'security' thing.

I personally think its attractive if a woman has ambitions and tries to meet them, and the tall thing doesn't really matter too much other than the awkward jokes from others I'd get tired of if I had a girl taller than me.

[Dolerman]

@POOHEAD189how tall are you though? I've only dated one girl in my entire life who was taller than me and that was by an inch.

[Dolerman]

@Xandrya Thanks for sharing your story. Its interesting how our experiences both negative and positive can directly effect the way we view the world and people. But can I ask, why did your standards go 'up' in terms of height, I mean 5'7 would still be seven inches taller than you why do they need to now be twelve inches taller or more?

And yes the feminist thing is fascinating, though I disagree with them about the fat female comparison. Guys may say they wouldn't date a bigger girl but depending on the circumstances that could just be to keep up appearances among peers. I've never met a fat girl who doesn't get a healthy amount of attention from guys. And to be honest, if we are talking about the equivalent of a slightly shorter than average male, than a slightly fatter than average woman would be considered curvy or full figured and these are both considered as attractive shapes. The size zero model desire only applies to fashion magazines and how women and gay men perceive them.

[Dolerman]

@Cameleon

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

Based upon what I have learned in light, @POOHEAD189, not at all an exhaustive or comprehensive delving into the matter, it seems tall females are regard as "alpha females" unironically, I might note. Males apparently seem to regard them as more ambitious and difficult to keep or know social pace with, in addition to a stigma that they might be "too masculine" as biologically height in humans is more prevalent among the men, and that the general standard as it goes is that women who are shorter are regarded, at least by survey, "as more motherly and nurturing". At least a component of it is intimidation, some elements of social expectation, then a tad of biological investment. Personally I disagree with this apparent "general" standard, which seems to vary from 40% to 58% of average men in their taste for height, but I am no good metric to measure against. One other related, but random factor is that the length of a woman's legs in proportion to her body, as well as the way her body weight sits on her frame, are considered more important; a female of average height but lean and long legged would see, statistically at least, higher returns than a tall yet proportionate female with a more heavy or muscular build.

It should also bear mention that taller women seem to have certain advantages and disadvantages in life as a component of this, that males take them more seriously, consider them a greater threat, and they are at least partially biased by their height biologically to be more outgoing, athletic and aggressive. I suppose, coming from the side of felinology, this is also true with maned lionesses, who seem to have many parallels here; they are physically larger, more robust, aggressive, outgoing, and even a deterrent to outsider males when part of a pride. There is unquestionably more to this, which I admit is a fascinating subject, but I am not qualified beyond my own limited observations and research to say if these are related mechanisms. Socially they might well be, but I cannot say.

Speaking of social implications, it appears to be among my limited community the notion of taller women takes some issue in the fact the majority of males are... stereotypical, to say the least of them. So the general rule of "Men having a thing for women shorter than them." might be well skewed into that territory deeper than it should be.

[Xandrya]

@Dynamo Frokane

It's more so the whole protective thing as well. I'm extremely short so in order to compensate, I'd look for tall guys. I mean, I would date guys of average height, but I believe that's somewhere up in 5'9 for men. I definitely wouldn't date short guys though. I mean, who would help me get stuff up in the last shelf?

[Dolerman]

@Dynamo Frokane

It's more so the whole protective thing as well. I'm extremely short so in order to compensate, I'd look for tall guys. I mean, I would date guys of average height, but I believe that's somewhere up in 5'9 for men. I definitely wouldn't date short guys though. I mean, who would help me get stuff up in the last shelf?

@Xandrya

Install lower shelves, make your house like the smurfs :)

In America its recently around 5'9 for average in my country its closer to 5'7 and a half.

But as far as protection I'd have to ask, protection from what? Are guys really having streetfights to defend their princess in 2017? More often than not if someone is going to attack you they are going to do it in a group, which makes height pretty useless. I might be able to kick the ass of a 5'6 guy if we were fighting fairly, but if he had a 5'3 sidekick, I'm gonna get smoked.

[Xandrya]

@Dynamo Frokane

I don't mean in a literal sense, but it's the idea that the guy is "taller, stronger" etc.

I mean, that's why women with curves are deemed as more attractive. Wider hips = more likely to be able to have kids. It's pretty much the caveman/woman in us talking.

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."

Sun Tzu

When speaking to "protection", the first of the most important "Ds" is deterrence, @Dynamo Frokane. If you can deter a threat just by appearing intimidating or dangerous, you have already achieved as much, if not more, than you might well have had if you engaged in a conflict with those people. This is a culmination of factors, varying from one's height, build, dress, sex, among others such as being obviously armed or not. A meek, short man or woman is going to be reliably a more easily perceived target than if they were tall and slightly gangly. There is a large amount of psychology that goes into this that it provides not only an unconscious "safety net" that comes with height, but confidence too. It in itself will never save your life, but it is a factor, particularly if one is aware how to use reach, height, and mass as a weapon, but I digress... tall females, apparently less "desirable" just as short males are, not just biologically either.

[Dolerman]

@The Harbinger of Ferocity While broadly you are correct the difference I am talking about is literally height alone. Yes a 5'10 guy might appear slightly more capable of defending himself than 5'6 one, but that ignores all the variables you just stated of build, dress, expression, posture etc. And this is still observing the hypothetical in the 'fair' 1 on 1 context. A 5'10 guy could be skinny and scared looking and a 5'6 guy could be strong, stocky and mean looking, so my challenge is to the woman, who would you feel more 'protected' by?

And of course my original point still stands, a a lone person's few inches in height will not deter a group of assailants when they know they have the number advantage.