Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

[Dion]

@Odin I'd rather let you read what's been written, instead of repeat myself.

@catchamber

So you want me to read a wall of text, w o w.

I read your link from the Vatican site, and it doesn't counter what I've said. Rather, it basically says that God gave humanity free will, and that we're responsible for our actions. Not a peep about how the environment we're brought into was predetermined by God, which is convenient for them to ignore.

@catchamber

I don't really see how our environment would change free will as a concept. It might influence it, but a lot of things influence free will. Without environment, free will just turns into biology - because if there is no environmental stimulation in our free will, then it is pure instincts.

How nice of you to grasp onto the "but omnipotence!" answer. I was waiting for someone to do that. How does an omnipotent being circumvent the predicament I've described? If you think that answer is actually valid, can you also explain how an omnipotent being can make the value of any given number not be equal to itself?

@catchamber

I don't understand. I don't really see a predicament described anywhere. If this:

If I created you and your environment, all while knowing everything you will do in advance, how can you have the ability to freely make your own decisions?

is the predicament then the answer is simple. He's omnipotent therefore capable of knowing all the options available to you - therefore, his plans can account for infinite numbers of decisions. That he knows them does not change the fact that there are infinite numbers of options available to you. He just knows all the options.

And he is God. Simple 'tricks' with numbers don't really affect him. Unless you know him personally, how do you know he can't do what you said (I honestly don't even understand what you mean. 5=5? That's a truth. Don't need to make anything happen)?

[Polymorpheus]

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[Dion]

Omnipotence is the Judeo-Christian God's "Fuck You" Card to literally every criticism, which is ridiculous when you take a very hard look at it.

@catchamber

It's only a 'fuck you' card when you try your hardest to beat him. It's just something that 'is.' It's for that reason that analyzing theology as if it were a science can only ever backfire. It's not a science. It will never be a science. It's not something that deals in cold, hard, mathematical truths. It's not something meant to be analyzed in the same way we analyze other sciences.

It's not ridiculous at all - but if you are fundamentally against it, then it might seem ridiculous. For a believer it's just a fact.

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

@Dynamo Frokane

I mean, if we are going to be accurate, it would best to say I am a long posting aloof elitist with a personal code who places little value in humanity and has a tendency to say what it is I mean to say exactly and not engage from beyond my point or concede it. That and "something, something, must be a Nazi because I support the President of the United States".

In all seriousness however, this bears proof why I broke off the conversation when I did and argued the way I did. I know this path too well.

[Polymorpheus]

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[Dolerman]

@Penny @Xandrya @Cameleon

With all the crap you talk about guys I just wanted to let you know that very soon you will become obsolete as there is a strong argument to be made for guys to go for a better type of woman...

[Polymorpheus]

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[Xandrya]

@Dynamo Frokane

Your honor, in my defense, I didn't talk crap about guys; I merely stated my preferences.

[BrokenPromise]

But then you have places where 2d and 3d can come together. And with advancements in VR, like this VR chatroom thing...



Pretty soon humans are going to die out because there just won't be any reason to procreate. We're almost at the finish line. We've gone as far as we need to go!

[Dolerman]

@catchamber I think 2d people should stick to their own, they are known to have much higher I.Q. and by letting 3d people mix with them, you are sullying any chances of a dimension-state.

[SleepingSilence]

@Dynamo Frokane I mean there are some feminists that genuinely get upset over the idea of sex robots. Also, there is some truth in the idea of perfected male and females in anime or in art. A lot of art portrays women or men with flawless complexions and slim or muscle bound bodies. Have exaggerated features to appeal to certain fetishes or just certain things you'll likely only see in fantasy. And most portrayals in romance anime or even fiction are perfected idolized versions of woman and man respectively. It doesn't necessarily help in this age of, "complementing a girl could be sexual harassment" era either. And I'm sure the lie of every 4 of 3 woman getting raped (on purpose before you even ask) probably aren't giving them much confidence either. (also the '0' score doesn't show that there's many with the same mindset. So I think the coast is clear.)

[Dion]

@Odin I disagree, as not all theologies run contrary to logic. If one's beliefs can't withstand rigorous analysis, then they're as worth keeping as the belief that a rabbit goes around hiding hollow eggs covered in paint once every year.

@catchamber

Then one can find fault in any and all religion. Thankfully the statement that a religion must be able to withstand rigorous analysis to be worth anything is an opinion and not a fact.

[Dion]

@Dynamo Frokane I mean there are some feminists that genuinely get upset over the idea of sex robots.

@SleepingSilence

Well, of course. A lot of R&D has gone into designing the perfect sex tool for men - there are endless ways to improve them, make them more realistic, etc. The perfect tool for women has already been invented - it's a long stiff rod that can be inserted into the female genitals (or elsewhere). Little else can be done to it - yes, the material can be enhanced, the inclusion of a battery and vibrations can make it better.

Beyond that? Why invent a whole sex bot to look at when all you truly desire can be substituted by a stick (if you are brave enough).

I'd be jealous too, to see that men are receiving such amazing funding for amazing sex bot research.

It doesn't necessarily help in this age of, "complementing a girl could be sexual harassment" era either.

@SleepingSilence

Maybe this is an issue with who brings the message and how one brings the message but I've never seen anyone get offended at a compliment.

And I'm sure the lie of every 4 of 3 woman getting raped (on purpose before you even ask) probably aren't giving them much confidence either. (also the '0' score doesn't show that there's many with the same mindset. So I think the coast is clear.)

@SleepingSilence

We've achieved a lot of progress, I think! Used to be women were property, now they actually have rights and can report involuntary copulation! Wow, what a society we've built.

[Polymorpheus]

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[SleepingSilence]

@Odin
1. The sex toy industry has catered to woman for decades, and not a single (worthwhile) man has ever given two fricks. I don't think it's worth the doom and gloom that it was given. Let people do what they want in their own bedrooms.

2. Well the thing is, you're right. No one normal, gets offended by someone saying "good morning" on the street. But that's not the message being pushed by progressives. (Maybe it's just strange because in america we're considered "too friendly" to people outside the U.S but yes, we strike up conversation with strangers...that's what social interaction is. *this is a general statement*)



3. I wouldn't say making up lies about rape statistics is exactly progressing anything forward. In fact I'd say it's backtracking progress made by sex positive feminists. (I guess maybe that could refer to the rating of '0' part too?) Though still feels disconnected to the idea of society has progressed.

[Dion]

xd this prank youtube video porves my point!

[Dion]

<Snipped quote by Odin>
Are you sure you can find fault in any and all religion? I'd like to see you find it in Buddhism.

@catchamber

There are many inconsistencies in the capabilities of Buddha that are not feasible according to logic. Is there not?

>Thinks the perfect source of sexual pleasure for women is a dildo

@catchamber

>Thinks jokes are real

get real kid ur a dumbass

[Polymorpheus]

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[SleepingSilence]

xd this prank youtube video porves my point!

@Odin

Just read that again. :I

You couldn't have watched in one minute and it also isn't a prank. It agrees with both of our statements that men and women shouldn't (and don't) get offended by complements, but the video is debunking the progressive cat-calling video that people took seriously.

[Dion]

<Snipped quote by Odin>
Can you be more specific?

@catchamber

Well for one the dude started speaking right after he was born. Literally two seconds after being born he was capable of walking and speaking. Truly a gifted mastermind. Also, he seemingly possessed Hashirama Senju's mokuton because in his place lotuses grew where ever he stepped foot.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say that it sounds like you're getting jealous at the thought of being rendered obsolete by a sexbot with a chocolate flavored dick that ejaculates money.

I'd be jealous if women had any meaning to me but alas they are glorified sex objects that men have seen fit to raise into 'humanhood' by uplifting them from being beings that exist for our pleasure to something 'equal' (whatever that may mean).

I'd like to purchase one of these robots though, for I too would like to have an automatic free money dispenser. If all I have to do is choke down on some robo-dick I'm all for it, 5 bucks is 5 bucks damn.

<Snipped quote by Odin>

Just read that again. :I

You couldn't have watched in one minute and it also isn't a prank. It agrees with both of our statements that men and women shouldn't (and don't) get offended by complements, but the video is debunking the progressive cat-calling video that people took seriously.

@SleepingSilence

hey i know ur a cute girl :) ur like rly good at games for a girl!!! pls ad me as friend bc i like talk to girl :) bye!!!!!!!!!!!