[OOC] D&D: An Adventure in the Making

[Warborn123]

@Infamous Empath you're right, neutral is evil or good in denial

[Bishop]

LOl, that's wrong. Neutral is being amoral. You don't care about evil or good. You do something based on what you want. Now, how it seems to others, that may differ but for you, you do nothing based on if it's good or evil, you just do it if it suits you.

[CajunRobinHood]

@Game Maker
Do I get a treasure?

[TheUnknowable]

@Bishopwhich is why I'm neutral. Who cares about the moral codes of others? Cthulhu wants servants.

[Infamous Empath]

I dont want to argue about ethics or philosophy in a D&D RP, but amoral, to me, is evil. Basically a sociopath. Or a coward.

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
- Albert Einstein

It was also mentioned in Boondock Saints too. In my opinion, the Saints would be good, for taking action in their own hands and taking down evil.

[TheUnknowable]

@Infamous EmpathFrom the descriptions of good and evil people, I think "good" is "altruistic" and "evil" is "selfish". Neutral people just don't prefer either. They're pragmatists.

[Rockin Strings]

This is how I see the good/evil stuff.

Lawful Good: Police trying to do his job. A politician trying to help the people. People using the law to help others.
Neutral Good: Will follow the law but will also follow their own moral code.
Chaotic Good: A vigilante taking justice into his own hands. They care nothing about laws but have a strict code of morals.

Lawful Neutral: They follow the law but don't care about morals.
True Neutral: Laws, Morals, Good, Evil; it's all useless to them. They often need an incentive to do anything.
Chaotic Neutral: They'll do what they want, when they want, as long as it benefits them or someone close to them.

Lawful Evil: Any corrupt cop or politician who's only in it to help themselves, who misuses their power, or tries to get innocent people hurt while still making themselves look innocent. For medieval times, think an evil king who wants everything for himself.
Neutral Evil: Evil for the sake of evil.
Chaotic Evil: People who like to torture others, listen to them beg, and then torture them more, if not just outright kill them.

Personally, I'm CG but being forced to follow the laws, which makes me seem NG.

What city is everyone in?

[TheUnknowable]

I'd say I'm CG IRL too. Too many unjust laws to be LG or even NG.

[Warborn123]

@Bishop being amoral is also known as a sociopath, evil people generally tend to be sociopaths. the way I see it is that if you're willing to give up all you're morals in order to be "pragmatic" than that doesn't make you good at all, that makes you the kind of guy who'll kill you as soon as it suits him, thats nowhere near good at all.

let's put it this way, there's a kitten strapped to a conveyor belt, the conveyor belt leads to a machine that'll turn the kitten into pure gold, it'll give you a shitton of money.

A Good human being saves the kitten while a evil human being lets the kitten die so he can make a quick penny, while a neutral guy, either has the option of saving it, therefore making him good, or killing it and making him evil, no matter what he does, he'll still fall under good or evil, someone who is "truly" neutral will save the kitten and say "its because I like kittens" and deny the fact that they're still good, while they might kill it and say "It's how the world works" like a edgelord evil guy they are. no matter what they still fall under a spectrum no matter what.

[TheUnknowable]

@Warborn123Or maybe they are making the decision based on something other than morals. What if they are just lazy, and don't want to put in the effort? What if they think that the money they'll make will do more of use than saving one cat will? That's what Laughter would think. Even a "good" person might let the cat die if they thought it served the greater good, and an evil person might save it if it helped them more.

Neutrals tend to do what you see as "good" and "evil" in roughly equal amounts based on something other than a moral code.

[Rockin Strings]

@Warborn123 I'm going to take that scenario and run with it.

LG: Save the kitten, destroy the machine.
NG: Save the kitten, might destroy the machine.
CG: Save the kitten, repurpose the machine.

LN: Save the kitten, might destroy the machine.
TN: Could go either way.
CN: Watch the kitten turn into gold.

LE: Hide the machine from everyone, making gold to get rich to buy the nation.
NE: Sells time with the machine so other people can turn cats into gold. (Prices would be extremely high.)
CE: Buy all the kittens they can find to turn them to gold.

The debate of Good and Evil is never clear cut. Honestly, I could make a graph of how Morality and Lawfulness works. Everyone would probably be a different point. However, using the 9 points above reduces everything and makes it more simple for the human brain to understand.

[Bishop]

@Warborn123

Now, how it seems to others, that may differ but for you, you do nothing based on if it's good or evil, you just do it if it suits you.

Killing a kitten isn't necessarily evil. Depends on the person and their morals. For someone in a cult, killing people is considered good, a sacrifice for their God while saving people may be considered a sin. You can't just mark an action as definitive "evil". It is evil for you, yes, but not for others. That scenario relied on the fact that killing a kitten was an ultimate evil but that's wrong. Even killing humans isn't evil. Evil is subjective, we can define what is evil and when is it evil. Changes for everyone.

Now to clarify further.
Evil people do things that they know are evil and some do it for evil's sake.
Good people do things that they know are good.
Neutrals don't measure their actions on the scale of good/evil. They just do what benefits them without taking into consideration the morals.

[Warborn123]

I guess you're all right.

[Joshua Tamashii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YewYqytNWVM

1:34:29

[Warborn123]

Why hasn't anyone responded to my posts so far?, I feel like this rp is dying off already

[Joshua Tamashii]

Why hasn't anyone responded to my posts so far?, I feel like this rp is dying off already

@Warborn123

giant debate on morality more interesting to them? My characters are also waiting for interaction.

Course, people could be waiting on the GM/DM to post.

[TheUnknowable]

@Warborn123I forgot to post yesterday. I'll try to post tonight.

[Warborn123]

@Joshua Tamashii if thats the case we should turn this into a philosophical debate club instead of dnd

[TheUnknowable]

@Warborn123Next topic: What's the difference between warlocks and clerics? Both were given powers by immensely powerful beings....

[Joshua Tamashii]

@Warborn123Next topic: What's the difference between warlocks and clerics? Both were given powers by immensely powerful beings....

@TheUnknowable

contracts vs devotion