[OOC] Precipice of War - The Big Leagues of NRP (Only generous tippers need apply)

[Dinh AaronMk]

@Quetzalcoatl After its war of independence in 1926, Australia expanded northward into the Pacific. Can we have a War of the East Indies?

@BingTheWing

ITT: sparsely populated continental nation attempts to invade densely populated south-east Asian pacific islands and nothing goes wrong somehow.

[BingTheWing]

@Dinh AaronMk Australia has undergone a major militarization and industrial revolution fueled by hypercapitalism and its vast natural resources.

Although something going wrong could make for a good story.

[Letter Bee]

I also want to add as a bit of an aside since I'm in the same track of thinking: cooperatives like this as far as I've read and gathered actually work pretty well, on par in some ways to the traditional top-down model. The only thing running against them comes down to loans and financing options where it's legally harder to get the financing and business loans from banks so when they're tried they end up very small. But then when they do they tend to get pretty good.

@Dinh AaronMk

Squee!

[Dinh AaronMk]

hypercapitalism

@BingTheWing

AUSTRALIA UNDERGOES HYPERCAPITALIST DETERRITORIALIZATION



Are they worshiping fucking Gnon yet?

But really: Australia doesn't really come off as a country that could populate itself that quickly considering that... well... you know, 90% of the country looks like this:



And it's agricultural industry only really relies on these:



And other than that it has coal and opals which aren't exactly a hardcore commodity that'll make it the next Saudi Arabia seeing as how it hasn't yet either. You're also talking about an insane rate of immigration to boost a population of roughly 10 million in 1960 to overcome Indonesia's 80+ million in order to correct a head count imbalance. Seventy million people in forty years is going to destroy a country's ecology, which'll make those moo moos effectively economically unsustainable. It'll be a country forced to import more food than it can produce and even more vulnerable to war, only meaning the government will need to shell out more in defense to protect the incredibly valuable cargo vessels so the entire country doesn't fall into a state of instant siege the moment a warship leaves Sydney.

Australia is, realistically, a country that relies on London. And it may be defacto independent of Great Britain from distance, but when you get down to it it can't actually survive on its own if there are active threats in the area. If it were to be legally independent of England then it's position may end up being like that of Switzerland, keeping a strict neutrality in anything as a matter of existence. Otherwise a resurgent Japan will swallow it, emus or not.

What you're asking for is impossible, and I will need to hit the abort button before you even start.

[BingTheWing]

But... tf2 australium :(

So how did it become independent in the first place?

EDIT: nvm

[BingTheWing]

@Dinh AaronMk Here’s what I’ve written so far:

My Hider

Australian Federation

The Russian withdrawal in 1917 only served to strengthen British morale. It poured all of its resources into the Western Front, launching offensive after offensive into Austro-Hungarian lines, landing boot after boot onto Ottoman beaches, and firebombing the German colonies in Kamerun. All of this, of course, was being increasingly done with colonial lives. The manpower of the British isles was slowly being diminished, and in its place was spilt the blood of the sons of the British Raj, the Canadian commonwealth, the Egyptian protectorate, and the Land Down Under.

The UK was being quickly drained of its resources in iron and gold, and was looking to its colonies for more. From 1919 to 1924, the British carried out what would be forever known as the Rape of Australia. Farms were seized by the colonial government, fathers and sons were separated from their families and sent to Europe and the mines, and the local democratic parliament shut down and authoritarian rule instituted. The 1920 Melbourne riots and subsequent massacre only served to solidify the iron fist of the British government over the helpless Aussie settlers.

The Australian poor were rendered powerless, stripped of their right to suffrage and the might of their labor. The only citizens who survived the Rape with their former status intact were the Australian elite - the coal barons, the gentrified landowners, and the stockbrokers who were the middlemen between the British colonizers and their helpless assets. This special class of men therefore recognized that it fell to them to liberate their own country. One of these men was Sir Willard Clovis, the London-born owner of several iron mines in the Northern Territory. At first glance, Clovis would seem to be the last man you would expect to betray the empire.

But Clovis would not forget, especially after he had seen his son die in the war and the fruits of his labor go to killing more like him. In Sydney in 1920, he organized the Sydney Mineral Coalition, his new secret underground independence movement masquerading as a mine owners’ union. Rallying other dissatisfied Australian business owners, the SMC amassed small arms, funds, and other assets in secret to combat the colonial government. The movement grew southward, and Melbourne and Canberra also responded to the call. Then the masses were educated - secret meetings were held by mine owners at night to preach to their workers of the injustices committed by the devils from the continent. The revolution grew.

The glorious climax of the unrest occured in 1925 in the bombing of the General Post Office in Sydney. While the British constabulary instituted martial law along the coasts, guerilla warfare commenced in the outback. Several ‘armies’, one for each federal district, steadily marched coastward. In 1926, after more than twenty months of fighting, the British colonial government agreed to lessen its seizures of resources and privatized several large enterprises in the Treaty of Canberra. This sated the rebels for a while, but Australian nationalism had already taken root.

Sir Clovis and the rest of the SMC were exiled to the Shetland Islands, but their revolutionary influence lingered. Free from the iron grip of the British, local enterprises sprang to life, and as the British war machine clankered down in Europe, were more in a position to demand more autonomy.

I was expecting something along the lines of Spain for Britain, seeing as the former lost a lot of its colonial influence after the War of the Spanish Succession

[Quetzalcoatl]

@Quetzalcoatl, So, can I adopt your system?

@Letter Bee

If you want to IC adopt the glorious theories of the Dutch left I can't stop you. I'd rather there be some ic recognition of the system being copied, with or without credit, though.

[Letter Bee]

<Snipped quote by Letter Bee>

If you want to IC adopt the glorious theories of the Dutch left I can't stop you. I'd rather there be some ic recognition of the system being copied, with or without credit, though.

@Quetzalcoatl

That I can do.

[Dinh AaronMk]

@Dinh AaronMk Here’s what I’ve written so far:

My Hider

Australian Federation

The Russian withdrawal in 1917 only served to strengthen British morale. It poured all of its resources into the Western Front, launching offensive after offensive into Austro-Hungarian lines, landing boot after boot onto Ottoman beaches, and firebombing the German colonies in Kamerun. All of this, of course, was being increasingly done with colonial lives. The manpower of the British isles was slowly being diminished, and in its place was spilt the blood of the sons of the British Raj, the Canadian commonwealth, the Egyptian protectorate, and the Land Down Under.

The UK was being quickly drained of its resources in iron and gold, and was looking to its colonies for more. From 1919 to 1924, the British carried out what would be forever known as the Rape of Australia. Farms were seized by the colonial government, fathers and sons were separated from their families and sent to Europe and the mines, and the local democratic parliament shut down and authoritarian rule instituted. The 1920 Melbourne riots and subsequent massacre only served to solidify the iron fist of the British government over the helpless Aussie settlers.

The Australian poor were rendered powerless, stripped of their right to suffrage and the might of their labor. The only citizens who survived the Rape with their former status intact were the Australian elite - the coal barons, the gentrified landowners, and the stockbrokers who were the middlemen between the British colonizers and their helpless assets. This special class of men therefore recognized that it fell to them to liberate their own country. One of these men was Sir Willard Clovis, the London-born owner of several iron mines in the Northern Territory. At first glance, Clovis would seem to be the last man you would expect to betray the empire.

But Clovis would not forget, especially after he had seen his son die in the war and the fruits of his labor go to killing more like him. In Sydney in 1920, he organized the Sydney Mineral Coalition, his new secret underground independence movement masquerading as a mine owners’ union. Rallying other dissatisfied Australian business owners, the SMC amassed small arms, funds, and other assets in secret to combat the colonial government. The movement grew southward, and Melbourne and Canberra also responded to the call. Then the masses were educated - secret meetings were held by mine owners at night to preach to their workers of the injustices committed by the devils from the continent. The revolution grew.

The glorious climax of the unrest occured in 1925 in the bombing of the General Post Office in Sydney. While the British constabulary instituted martial law along the coasts, guerilla warfare commenced in the outback. Several ‘armies’, one for each federal district, steadily marched coastward. In 1926, after more than twenty months of fighting, the British colonial government agreed to lessen its seizures of resources and privatized several large enterprises in the Treaty of Canberra. This sated the rebels for a while, but Australian nationalism had already taken root.

Sir Clovis and the rest of the SMC were exiled to the Shetland Islands, but their revolutionary influence lingered. Free from the iron grip of the British, local enterprises sprang to life, and as the British war machine clankered down in Europe, were more in a position to demand more autonomy.

I was expecting something along the lines of Spain for Britain, seeing as the former lost a lot of its colonial influence after the War of the Spanish Succession

@BingTheWing

The British have a thing for property protection so I seriously doubt they'd seize the property of citizens of the Empire who are at the least very clearly British in heritage. Not even during the time of Colonial America were they seizing existing private property from the colonists, in their case it was more along the lines of limiting it as well as tax burdens. The relationship between Australia and the UK is a very strong two-way relationship and given how the Australians have no qualms with having the blunder of Galipolli committed on their soldiers by the British government it's pretty certain a War in Europe is as much their war as it was the British war.

It wasn't nearly the same for India and the non-white colonies who had been bearing the brunt of English abuses not otherwise subjected to the Australians. The Brits would've sooner fucked over their African and Indian colonies. But in a war-time scenario German Uboat operations would have been a cause for caution on increasing their dependency on the colonies because costs would have escalated so much in simply getting supplies there, so colonies or not they'd be in the same boat as the Dutch; but at least capable of making an attempt to guard their shipping lanes.

And the British islands don't have gold anyways.

[Shyri]

I present to you all the madness that is Russia.

[Dinh AaronMk]

@Shyri

As approved by me, if you need confirmation. Results on some back and forths for the benefit of developing consistency as far as Feo/Shyri is concerned at least.

[Lone Wanderer]

@Dinh AaronMk Here’s what I’ve written so far:

My Hider

Australian Federation

The Russian withdrawal in 1917 only served to strengthen British morale. It poured all of its resources into the Western Front, launching offensive after offensive into Austro-Hungarian lines, landing boot after boot onto Ottoman beaches, and firebombing the German colonies in Kamerun. All of this, of course, was being increasingly done with colonial lives. The manpower of the British isles was slowly being diminished, and in its place was spilt the blood of the sons of the British Raj, the Canadian commonwealth, the Egyptian protectorate, and the Land Down Under.

The UK was being quickly drained of its resources in iron and gold, and was looking to its colonies for more. From 1919 to 1924, the British carried out what would be forever known as the Rape of Australia. Farms were seized by the colonial government, fathers and sons were separated from their families and sent to Europe and the mines, and the local democratic parliament shut down and authoritarian rule instituted. The 1920 Melbourne riots and subsequent massacre only served to solidify the iron fist of the British government over the helpless Aussie settlers.

The Australian poor were rendered powerless, stripped of their right to suffrage and the might of their labor. The only citizens who survived the Rape with their former status intact were the Australian elite - the coal barons, the gentrified landowners, and the stockbrokers who were the middlemen between the British colonizers and their helpless assets. This special class of men therefore recognized that it fell to them to liberate their own country. One of these men was Sir Willard Clovis, the London-born owner of several iron mines in the Northern Territory. At first glance, Clovis would seem to be the last man you would expect to betray the empire.

But Clovis would not forget, especially after he had seen his son die in the war and the fruits of his labor go to killing more like him. In Sydney in 1920, he organized the Sydney Mineral Coalition, his new secret underground independence movement masquerading as a mine owners’ union. Rallying other dissatisfied Australian business owners, the SMC amassed small arms, funds, and other assets in secret to combat the colonial government. The movement grew southward, and Melbourne and Canberra also responded to the call. Then the masses were educated - secret meetings were held by mine owners at night to preach to their workers of the injustices committed by the devils from the continent. The revolution grew.

The glorious climax of the unrest occured in 1925 in the bombing of the General Post Office in Sydney. While the British constabulary instituted martial law along the coasts, guerilla warfare commenced in the outback. Several ‘armies’, one for each federal district, steadily marched coastward. In 1926, after more than twenty months of fighting, the British colonial government agreed to lessen its seizures of resources and privatized several large enterprises in the Treaty of Canberra. This sated the rebels for a while, but Australian nationalism had already taken root.

Sir Clovis and the rest of the SMC were exiled to the Shetland Islands, but their revolutionary influence lingered. Free from the iron grip of the British, local enterprises sprang to life, and as the British war machine clankered down in Europe, were more in a position to demand more autonomy.

I was expecting something along the lines of Spain for Britain, seeing as the former lost a lot of its colonial influence after the War of the Spanish Succession

@BingTheWing

I'm going to be honest, this history doesn't particularly suit what I had planned for Britain. The wartime government signing off on the Rape of Australia, which as has been said is a nation of clear British heritage, would have been political suicide, especially if the current democratic Australian government was still loyal and active as a wartime ally. The dire state of the war would have been a cause to rally the British Empire together, if there was any tighter controls being placed by Britain over her dominions and colonies it would most likely have been in response to revolts and unrest already present rather then needlessly expending wartime resources to effectively annex already loyal parts of the Empire.

[Inkwell]

Hi just wondering if I can make a claim on Russian territories south of Rostov up until Georgia. Also I would not include Astrakhan or Crimea into my territory.

[Brithwyr]

So thanks to the incredible likelihood of Siberia falling to the Chinese in record time, I'm changing country to Persia.

[BingTheWing]

It looks like the only 'relevant' country left for me would be India...

but it's so FUCKING HARD to make a backstory jfc

hey what about an imperialist Algeria

or southern africa

fuck me i'm all out of ideas

[Vilageidiotx]

It looks like the only 'relevant' country left for me would be India...

but it's so FUCKING HARD to make a backstory jfc

hey what about an imperialist Algeria

or southern africa

fuck me i'm all out of ideas

@BingTheWing

dude, do a Boer Republic. The Boers attempted a rebellion during the First World War. You can change things up and say they won with the help of German intervention via Tanganyika. Then BAM, your very own nation-state for racist dutch cowboys.

[Byrd Man]

Relevant doesn't equate interesting or good.

[BingTheWing]

@Vilageidiotx Fuck yeah, apartheid twenty years early!

Dumb question, but would there be any significant relationships with the actual Netherlands?

[Brithwyr]

It looks like the only 'relevant' country left for me would be India...

but it's so FUCKING HARD to make a backstory jfc

hey what about an imperialist Algeria

or southern africa

fuck me i'm all out of ideas

@BingTheWing

Another possibility is to find an irrelevant country and make it relevant. Red Canada? Monarchist south america? I don't know if anyone is playing Poland yet, and there's also Turkey

[Vilageidiotx]

@Vilageidiotx Fuck yeah, apartheid twenty years early!

Dumb question, but would there be any significant relationships with the actual Netherlands?

@BingTheWing

I don't believe so. Can't say I'm an expert in South African history, but it always seemed that the Boers were politically divorced from the Netherlands long ago.