[OOC] Fate/Crimson Dusk

[vancexentan]

@King Cosmosarcher's is a- his shots all hit pretty hard I also was assuming hia pelt was magical or has some sort of protection I can edit it if you want.

[vancexentan]

I wasn't sure where reflextion was so I went with what I could its probably juat a mistake on my part I'm posting on my phone so sorry for errors right now.

[King Cosmos]

@vancexentan his pelt is just a regular bear's pelt and is more of a cape than anything regardless; if it offered any kind of protection it would have been included in his sheet. You can make a minor edit to say the arrow hit him directly and pierced his skin if you want, but it's not a big deal.

[Parallel Hearts]

Also, I think that, at this point, it would be more beneficial if we didn't need to way for everyone's replies before getting replies for our segments.

It would probably make things flow more smoothly, I believe.

[King Cosmos]

@vancexentan actually, ignore that last comment. Having re-read the skill that I wrote and then forgot about, for regular physical attacks like that arrow there's no condition and it will always appear to do no or reduced damage and subsequent attacks will be with a minus modifier; the only thing it doesn't affect are Noble Phantasms of Rank A or higher.

[vancexentan]

Well he (I'll cut out the she for the moment keeping typing that will just be a pain) didn't hit you with a phantasm but it should've done at least some chip damage so to speak without hurting them too much because of it.

Also the forest is large enough for Atalante to not have heard the blue master challenging Lancer but I'll chalk it up to her cat hearing. It won't change much regardless for the two.

[Parallel Hearts]

Also the forest is large enough for Atalante to not have heard the blue master challenging Lancer but I'll chalk it up to her cat hearing. It won't change much regardless for the two.

@vancexentan

What? Are you serious about this? Because in Apocrypha her perception was far above this level.

She can locate enemies at much longer distances by scent alone if needed, so it's pretty much safe to say that unless this forest is gigantic (which would make me wonder how you denied me the chance to find it earlier), she's certain to be able to shoot at anyone inside of it.

[Parallel Hearts]

@vancexentan

PS: I'd like to point you to the fact that Apocrypha mentions that Atalanta's arrows are not only above average speed for an Archer, but also impossible to see during the night so, it's not something trivial enough for you to say that "It won't matter either way".

That's kinda disrespectful towards other people's characters. Quite a lot indeed.

[vancexentan]

There's bounded fields around the forest to detect movement if nothing else. The red girl called Lana just blocked the blow at the last second. She got lucky. If you really want me to call it a GM fiat so be it I didn't do it to insult you, or archer. I'm not even trying to keep her where she is with the cursed trees like I could. She hit the trunk but didn't do much about the roots that were attacking it, nor in the first place should she have been able to actually hear the challenge as I didn't intend it to be that loud in the first place, nor would his smell be that easy to figure out given he's nearby some chimera most of which have wounds due to Anderson ontop of the nearby skeleton army, and Rider approaching nearby.

[Parallel Hearts]

There's bounded fields around the forest to detect movement if nothing else. The red girl called Lana just blocked the blow at the last second. She got lucky. If you really want me to call it a GM fiat so be it I didn't do it to insult you, or archer. I'm not even trying to keep her where she is with the cursed trees like I could. She hit the trunk but didn't do much about the roots that were attacking it, nor in the first place should she have been able to actually hear the challenge as I didn't intend it to be that loud in the first place, nor would his smell be that easy to figure out given he's nearby some chimera most of which have wounds due to Anderson ontop of the nearby skeleton army, and Rider approaching nearby.

@vancexentan

Why would she have to bother with the roots if she didn't get anywhere near them? Before the branch broke she had already jumped away. If you really want me to make a fool out of my character and ignore her skills so be it, she can be caught in the roots, otherwise, her Crossing Arcadia and A Rank AGI are more than enough for something as childish as broken branches not catching her off guard.

Also, what you did with those humans just requires Instinct A to have a chance do, so it's nice to know that we are fighting Humans with the same ability in combat as King Arthur. Very nice indeed.

[Parallel Hearts]

@vancexentan

PS: Just to be sure, I don't mind not killing that Master right off the bat, but if you could have done it in a way that doesn't make it seem so absurd and disproportional to what even a Top Servant would be able to do in this situation, it would have helped a lot.

Dealing with Atalanta + Achilles tag team in the woods was one of the hardest challenges the Black Faction had to face on Apocrypha. And one of the few instances of proper Servant combat there. You could at least make it seem like these enemies aren't so broken OP in comparison to canon.

[vancexentan]

Because they're coming upward towards her from the ground, and its not just one tree she's on but quite a few in the general vicinity. Not all of them but more than just two, or three. If I really wanted to hurt your character enemy archer is still in the center of the forest on the high ground.

As for the blue boy he's barely holding his own, and Lancer is not going full out on him. If nothing else she does pity him because of hero's bridemaid. The only other option was to have Saber come up, and block them himself but he's not going to show up to later. Archer shooting them down is absurd given the circumstances and insulting. The guy in blue really isn't in it for himself just as Lancer says. If I really wanted her to Lancer would kill him. Originally berserker of red was to fight Lancer but since our berserker charged in face first, and left the others out there I needed to give him, and opponent and Archer doesn't make well just pegging people from the grey castle. Assassin is arguably the weakest of the enemy servants and isn't fit to fight either Lancer, or berserker outright and it would make little sense for him to engage her directly instead of staying in the forest. And Saber would run Lancer through in a one on one fight because of his skills.

[Parallel Hearts]

Because they're coming upward towards her from the ground, and its not just one tree she's on but quite a few in the general vicinity. Not all of them but more than just two, or three. If I really wanted to hurt your character enemy archer is still in the center of the forest on the high ground.

As for the blue boy he's barely holding his own, and Lancer is not going full out on him. If nothing else she does pity him because of hero's bridemaid. The only other option was to have Saber come up, and block them himself but he's not going to show up to later. Archer shooting them down is absurd given the circumstances and insulting. The guy in blue really isn't in it for himself just as Lancer says. If I really wanted her to Lancer would kill him. Originally berserker of red was to fight Lancer but since our berserker charged in face first, and left the others out there I needed to give him, and opponent and Archer doesn't make well just pegging people from the grey castle. Assassin is arguably the weakest of the enemy servants and isn't fit to fight either Lancer, or berserker outright and it would make little sense for him to engage her directly instead of staying in the forest. And Saber would run Lancer through in a one on one fight because of his skills.

@vancexentan

Well, if you read what I wrote, Atlanta isn't staying in one place so unless these roots are faster than her, they are never gonna touch her while she's moving.

As for the boy stuff.

I don't care for his circumstances, neither does Atalanta. She's canonically the type of Servant that would shoot you in the back without any remorse if she thought that you are weak, simply because that's how nature works and her mind follows the logic of a wild beast.

If he got into the war grounds but can't hold his own, the only thing he deserves is to become prey, in her opinion.

If Archer sees another chance to shoot him again (even if it's on the back), she'll take it. But for the time being it's not her priority.

[vancexentan]

Well that's why I'm letting your character run instead of trying to force her to fight Rider on his terms while being attacked by our equivalent of the sylvanns from dragon age.

At the end of the day the guy's coming out alive. I didn't question you, your servant, or your master's sensibilities during the fight. I said why lancer isn't killing him outright. The two aren't some sort of god tier servants they're just getting taken easy on, and lancer is my servant in this case so I am in control of how seriously she is taking this fight. If you really want me to force Saber in just to show how broken he is just to solve the matter I don't intend on doing that. Killing a master off so early is not on the table for a fight I intentionally kept away from the other servants, and needed something for my characters to do.

[Parallel Hearts]

Well that's why I'm letting your character run instead of trying to force her to fight Rider on his terms while being attacked by our equivalent of the sylvanns from dragon age.

At the end of the day the guy's coming out alive. I didn't question you, your servant, or your master's sensibilities during the fight. I said why lancer isn't killing him outright. The two aren't some sort of god tier servants they're just getting taken easy on, and lancer is my servant in this case so I am in control of how seriously she is taking this fight. If you really want me to force Saber in just to show how broken he is just to solve the matter I don't intend on doing that. Killing a master off so early is not on the table for a fight I intentionally kept away from the other servants, and needed something for my characters to do.

@vancexentan

I'm not questioning Brynhildr's reasons. I'm just saying that, Atalanta will try to shoot him down if there's another chance. Saber or not Saber being involved in the scene doesn't matter since she still isn't aware of him. She'll just do her thing.

Also, you are saying that we can't influence the outcome of the story at all, is that it? Even if we have the appropriate abilities and motivations to do so, no matter what we do, until you "feel" like it, we can't do anything.

What part of this is even a roleplay?

[vancexentan]

There is two different planned endings to this roleplay one that Saber will take the charge of, and the other Caster will. Killing off the enemy servants will happen, and the masters. However this is literally chapter 2, or 3 do you want me to let you kill off main Opposition characters in the literal first warm up fight. I don't intend on ramming Lancer down with the full force of a god-worshiping semi-truck in Saber, or have her make mince meat of Assassin who doesn't have the same faults as her current opponents and would not fair nearly as well. The plot will change, and alter later it is too soon for characters to die, and it is too soon to drastically change anything. This conversation to me at least is the equivalent of why Princess Leia didn't get shot in the face as soon as she was sentenced to death by Tarkin. If everyone feels like It I'll let them kill Lancer, berserker, and rider then let you all bum rush Archer, and Assassin before Caster, and Saber show up for chapter five and the rp ends.

[Parallel Hearts]

There is two different planned endings to this roleplay one that Saber will take the charge of, and the other Caster will. Killing off the enemy servants will happen, and the masters. However this is literally chapter 2, or 3 do you want me to let you kill off main Opposition characters in the literal first warm up fight. I don't intend on ramming Lancer down with the full force of a god-worshiping semi-truck in Saber, or have her make mince meat of Assassin who doesn't have the same faults as her current opponents and would not fair nearly as well. The plot will change, and alter later it is too soon for characters to die, and it is too soon to drastically change anything. This conversation to me at least is the equivalent of why Princess Leia didn't get shot in the face as soon as she was sentenced to death by Tarkin. If everyone feels like It I'll let them kill Lancer, berserker, and rider then let you all bum rush Archer, and Assassin before Caster, and Saber show up for chapter five and the rp ends.

@vancexentan

You are taking this quite out of proportion. As seems to always be the case when someone points any manner of questioning towards you regardless of the person's intention.

The gist of the issue is. It's a collision between a large number of Servants all at once. No one coming out of this dead would be far more unrealistic and stupid. And we aren't even considering Noble Phantasms.

Also, you are just railroading the story in a way that's unnatural. Taking other players to have a passenger's seat on your own story in the way you are is quite inconsiderate. Especially when you don't advertise it as a linear plot where we have few, if any chances of influencing the outcome of the story.

[vancexentan]

It is what it is. I prioritize the story I intend and not end style may 20 rolls deal with that as you will I'm done. In tired of being the bad guy every u single time you think I make something you dislike.

[Parallel Hearts]

It is what it is. I prioritize the story I intend and not end style may 20 rolls deal with that as you will I'm done. In tired of being the bad guy every u single time you think I make something you dislike.

@vancexentan

What do you even mean?

Regardless of it, I'm sure that it's an out of proportion reaction.

Either way, if you care for the story so much that you don't leave much choices for players to do anything, you could have advertised the RP as such. It would be much more transparent.

That said, I know why you don't do it. No one wants to join railroad style games, so you don't advertise as such despite this being one. This is very disingenuous since it leads to this kind of situation.

I'm not being hostile towards you, I just wanted to get some sort of middle ground out of this. Is it so hard?

[King Cosmos]

@vancexentan I'm just going to weigh in on this, because this is honestly a conversation I've been expecting for a while.

I, personally, wouldn't have an issue with writing in an RP where the outcome was heavily scripted so long as, and this is where the issue lies, I was part of writing the script and knew what the plan was.

You're writing a story, not an RP. That's been clear for a while now. You have a large cast of characters under your control, the plot is mostly pre-determined and you have an expectation for how things should go. You want us to write some of the major characters in a story in which you have almost complete creative control and we don't know what the plan is or what our parts are. And you weren't up front about that being the case. And I also suspect our part in things is kind of superfluous since you set up your cast to be able to handle things should our characters not be able to or if people dropped out, e.g. Monica being able to break the barrier and Anderson being able to see through the illusions.

You've basically confirmed that the outcome of the current encounter is already set in stone and that we have limited scope to affect what happens in the next few posts. I have no reason to believe that will change in later fights.

You want the Berserker brawl to go a certain way? That's fine, talk to me, we can figure out how the fight goes and write something cool, just include me in the process. Because with the way things are set up right now I know that I can't win this fight, or lose it, or do anything that actually makes a difference because you're controlling the outcome one-sidedly; and that's quite disheartening.