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Quick update on my side: Cu has officially left the rp due to private reasons not regarding the rp itself.
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Alright any updates guys? We haven't gotten much of anywhere today.
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Hello, I plan on submitting an Assassin soon and was wondering if Arsene Lupin would be acceptable? I know he is a fictional character technically, but I also know that Sherlock Holmes is as well but he made the cut officially.
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He is an actual character from a story so it works. Robin Hood, Kojiro, and Hessian Lobo are all technically fictitious characters they just pull from someone who fulfills that role the best.
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Alright any updates guys? We haven't gotten much of anywhere today.


I'm still working on Berserker. Turns out the person I had in mind is a little less suited to the class than I first thought, so there were a few delays as I worked things out. I just need to write up his Noble Phantasms now.
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@floodtalonI can see you're going for a persona thing but the link for the bio should be to Arsene's actual wikipedia page, or what have you not a player made bio. You can keep it if you want. However his ability to steal any noble phantasm is excessive, and is one of the reasons Benkei is banned. Unless you're fine with me arbitrarily denying your noble phantasm as I please with the checks then you should change it.
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I mean technically you can deny my NP arbitrarily no matter what since you're the GM. But if you're giving me the option to keep it the way it is, I will one hundred percent do so. Arsene actually stealing a Noble Phantasm should be a very rare occurrence that only happens during a last minute heist where it turns the tide of battle. In other words when its sufficiently plot dramatic and cool. Of course it also goes without saying that the more valuable an item is, such as a NP, the harder the check is to steal said item. In any case, if you absolutely want me to change it so I can't steal Noble Phantasm then ok.
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I would prefer you do to be honest it makes it a lot less of a hassle. Some servants can't function without the noble phantasms, and it doesn't equate to techniques, or aspects of a person like Kojiro's sparrow cutting technique.
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@floodtalon I'm looking at it but it doesn't seem to be changed at all? Am I missing something. Also keep in mind you may need to make a master the only one who is single, and up is gritty and I haven't heard much from him.

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To all those who care Lancer of Black has been made, and Leon's profile slightly updated to fit that role. Brynhildr is the chosen servant.
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I removed the line about Arsene stealing NPs.

"Normally Assassin would also not be able to steal immaterial possessions with no physical form, however a certain Phantom Thief who steals hearts has popularized the idea enough that Assassin can now steal "ideas". In effect, Assassin can now steal even the idea of something, such as an enemy Servant's skill or other such nonmaterial things."
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@floodtalon Alright so if I understand this correctly he just copies one of his enemies skills? If that is the case fair game but it may come at a lesser level. It also doesn't grant him the abilities if the skill is magical in nature sound fair? For example mana burst flames on Brynhildr, or the ability to construct dragon bone warriors like Medea.
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The idea is that he literally steals the idea. It's a Noble Phantasm so I feel it is supposed to be a major game changer, in this case rather than going for the usual instant kill NPs that Assassins have I went for something that changes the course of a battle in a completely different way. In this case, Arsene can steal the skill, as in the enemy no longer owns the skill and instead Arsene has it. Yes it's a fairly powerful NP, but it's also his only NP so I feel like it's a fair trade.
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It also renders some opponents inert how on earth you steal a rank bravery away or seal it? Minds eye? Or madness enhancement
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How does Imperial Privilege grant Nero Divinity or Eye of the Mind? The answer is it just works because everyone believes it works, Arsene is the greatest thief in the mind of the public so he can steal anything. And there's no Servant that's rendered just completely useless by the sealing of one skill, even if there was than that would mean it's such a powerful skill that it's a gamechanger for it to get stolen, which is the purpose of a Noble Phantasm. A Noble Phantasm is supposed to be powerful. Literally this is Arsene's entire kit, if you take this away from him he has nothing left. Imagine if Excalibur didn't just kill everything immediately or if Kojiro didn't have Tsubame Gaeshi. Sure they're still strong sword people, but that's all they become, they lose the thing that makes them most interesting.

In Arsene's case, he doesn't even have anything that makes him interesting to play aside from being really good at stealing everything. I dunno what to tell you man, Arsene kind of becomes useless in a fight unless he has his Noble Phantasm as it is. If he can't steal other Noble Phantasms and he can't steal skills then what can he steal that's actually meaningful in a fight?
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I'm not trying to render your character completely pointless I'm arguing for the sake that some skills are tied directly into the servant's character. Earned experience, or strength of character. I pointed out mind's eye because its years of training directly channeled into seeing opening, and taking control of the situation through comprehending the technique. Bravery is a skill that is directly that of a person's character. By stealing, or taking away either of those two skills for example is to take a servant's actual years of training, or strength of their will. It works by conceptually taking away something. But I don't believe it should be possible for an opponent to actually take that away from a servant. Sealing, or disrupting it is one thing but to physically take something like that away is something else.

I'm not arguing its unfair to steal away things like say Knights Tactics by mentally stunting the opposing servant and forcing him to fight plainly. Or even Mana Burst by somehow blocking proper mana channeling. But I'm talking about skills like the aforementioned that are directly tied to someone's personality, or being.

I'm not trying to be unfair, or give you a raw deal I just don't think a phantasm of that would be capable of existing. The previous weapon stealing one certainly does with Benkei but it brings along the deal of rending servants weaponless and many servants do depend on a weapon at this roleplay's intended level; or like Caligula a mass disruption by pure madness enhancement but to actually temporarily steal a servants skill so that it doesn't even belong to them in the first place. Its like taking Shiki's eyes powers away something she was a born with suddenly she doesn't have not because it was disrupted but because suddenly she doesn't have it in the first place. If you find this unacceptable you're free to do as you please in the matter including arguing back in favor, or bowing out.
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Ill allow the character
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@vancexentan question, does it matter? It's PVE. It's not like you actually chose Shiki for the enemy team. And if the enemy has a skill he can steal that will make him invincible, just have Arsene fight somebody else during that encounter. You're a GM, you can adjust who goes where in encounters.
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