[OOC] Nexus Of Worlds Multiverse

[LeeRoy]

Alright, Drag is writing his post.

[GreivousKhan]

LeeRoy said
Name any magic spell and I can come up with a piece of technology that would equal the same power without the added physical exhaustion.

So you agree you have to make up some sci-fi tech in order to compensate.

[GreivousKhan]

Green said
Technology is in no way inferior to magic, nor vica versa. They both have their pro´s and cons. Technology can be prepped just as much as magic can, and in most cases come out superior in that field, as it often becomes the item itself charging, and not the wielder (allowing the wielder to do other moves unhindered), of course, this can be done with magical artifacts as well.Vordak has a great point on the weight issue.

You guys of course are talking about sci-fi theoretical technology.

[So Boerd]

If by that tech that doesn't currently exist, you are correct. If by tech that is impossible, no. Nothing in my ship, for example, is impossible.

[ASTA]

GreivousKhan said
You guys of course are talking about sci-fi theoretical technology.

No, we're also talking about current technology as well.

GreivousKhan said
So you agree you have to make up some sci-fi tech in order to compensate.

No.

[GreivousKhan]

Where the heck is Biddz?

[Schradinger]

Just to be clear, Khan, you're not arguing that magic is better than tech because most high-end tech doesn't exist in the real world, are you?

[LeeRoy]

Not at all, Khan, I can explain how every single piece works. They don't exist because we don't fight with barbaric torture techniques like wizards, we fight with weapons that kill people in one shot. Ends their suffering quickly.

Yes.

Magic is barbaric.

[GreivousKhan]

Schradinger said
Just to be clear, Khan, you're not arguing that magic is better than tech because most high-end tech doesn't exist in the real world, are you?

It basically means T1 benefits powers/high-tech over most modern technology.

[Schradinger]

GreivousKhan said
It basically means T1 benefits powers/high-tech over most modern technology.

Only if you're using them wrong. Preps aren't everything, and there ARE ways to prep modern tech. Such as pulling out a magazine of armor piercing ammo in one post, reloading the gun in the next, and then opening fire in the third. That's a whole magazine of bullets with two preps behind it.

[GreivousKhan]

Schradinger said
Only if you're using them wrong. Preps aren't everything, and there ARE ways to prep modern tech. Such as pulling out a magazine of armor piercing ammo in one post, reloading the gun in the next, and then opening fire in the third. That's a whole magazine of bullets with two preps behind it.

.....How in the world is that going to make the armor piercing rounds more powerful? Why should they not have had the same destructive force without the benefit of this special reloading.

I think one has to remember preps are only really needed for very powerful special abilities, you don't need a special ritual to shoot a gun, you just do. Hence the benefit of guns and such in the first place.

Edit: So with Keezheekoni and seemingly now Kholodny gone, I could probably just say they were captured and hence ho the Empire will learn about the omnicron.

[Schradinger]

Where exactly are preps defined as being exclusive to attacks that can gain more raw power? There would be no point to preps if they relied solely on the inherent power of each attack, since that would mean that any attack that delivers more damage than an equally (or higher) prepped defense could absorb would automatically break through the defense.

Going back to the armor piercing ammo example, this would mean that an AP round with zero preps could blow through a stone barrier with two preps behind it because stone isn't going to stop a depleted uranium bullet.

[ImportantNobody]

Evvie should call forth a random NPC suicide dragon who dive bombs into Snore and explode with the force of a nuclear missile. Sounds legit.

[Green]

Mah jedi guy has been posted in that other thread.

[LeeRoy]

Oi, Khan. TheBiddz is at work, don't jump to conclusions.

Also: Keezi just fucking vanished.

[ImportantNobody]

Schradinger said
Where exactly are preps defined as being exclusive to attacks that can gain more raw power? There would be no point to preps if they relied solely on the inherent power of each attack, since that would mean that any attack that delivers more damage than an equally (or higher) prepped defense could absorb would automatically break through the defense. Going back to the armor piercing ammo example, this would mean that an AP round with zero preps could blow through a stone barrier with two preps behind it because stone isn't going to stop a depleted uranium bullet.

I like fights that use that logic. You can't prep a tissue paper for 2 turns and expect it to block a no prep bullet. If we go by what I think it would have to reasonable be able to do what it does. Preps would be able to increase offense and defense of a lot of magic, but preps alone doesn't automatically mean it can beat a non-prep attack.

[GreivousKhan]

LeeRoy said
Oi, Khan. TheBiddz is at work, don't jump to conclusions.Also: Keezi just fucking vanished.

He has been at work for 2 weeks?

Edit: A character hat just vanishes wont progress the story much. :K

Schradinger said
Where exactly are preps defined as being exclusive to attacks that can gain more raw power? There would be no point to preps if they relied solely on the inherent power of each attack, since that would mean that any attack that delivers more damage than an equally (or higher) prepped defense could absorb would automatically break through the defense. Going back to the armor piercing ammo example, this would mean that an AP round with zero preps could blow through a stone barrier with two preps behind it because stone isn't going to stop a depleted uranium bullet.

Their not exclusive to attacks, though equal prep attacks can usually cancel each other out.

[GreivousKhan]

ImportantNobody said
I like fights that use that logic. You can't prep a tissue paper for 2 turns and expect it to block a no prep bullet.

That's basically what I have been saying. You can't expect to fondle a bullet for a post or more and expect it to defeat a more logical prepped defense.

[ASTA]

GreivousKhan said
.....How in the world is that going to make the armor piercing rounds more powerful? Why should they not have had the same destructive force without the benefit of this special reloading. I think one has to remember preps are only really needed for very powerful special abilities, you don't need a special ritual to shoot a gun, you just do. Hence the benefit of guns and such in the first place.Edit: So with Keezheekoni and seemingly now Kholodny gone, I could probably just say they were captured and hence ho the Empire will learn about the omnicron.

I think you're desperately trying to compare and contrast the inherent weaknesses of ranged weapons over melee weapons. I was under the impression they were more or less equal.

Also, what Sch said is correct, for not all rounds perform equally against all substances. DU rounds would deliver excellent results against armored targets, but would fall short when striking unarmored targets. On the contrast, hollow-point ammunition (which devastates unarmored targets) is ideal for wiping out enemy's unprotected with ballistic armor, but they deliver lackluster results when used against foes wearing body armor.

Anyway, I'm going to post in Necropili (or whatever it is called) pretty soon (at least at the end of the night or so).

[ASTA]

GreivousKhan said
That's basically what I have been saying. You can't expect to fondle a bullet for a post or more and expect it to defeat a more logical prepped defense.

I also don't expect people to dodge bullets and lasers and lift MBTs as though they were rag dolls.

But hey, here we are.