[OOC] The Ghosts of Napoleon

[Letter Bee]

Sorry for the delay in posting; just hit writer's block.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Sorry for the delay in posting; just hit writer's block.

@Letter Bee

Take your time to figure things out. My computer decided it would become difficult and I have to figure out what's wrong with us and a few others have personal stuff going on

[Letter Bee]

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Take your time to figure things out. My computer decided it would become difficult and I have to figure out what's wrong with us and a few others have personal stuff going on

@Dinh AaronMk

Thanks! And be safe!

[Letter Bee]

Yam is on hiatus. Can/Should I switch to Decemberists?

Edit: Wait, I still have the writer's block I mentioned plus four or five other RPs on this site alone. Dangit.

Edit 2: What were Muhammad Ali Pasha's relations with the major Sufi orders?

[Dinh AaronMk]

Edit 2: What were Muhammad Ali Pasha's relations with the major Sufi orders?

@Letter Bee

They didn't like him.

[Letter Bee]

@Dinh AaronMk, Perfect.

[Dinh AaronMk]

@Letter Bee

To expand the government of Muhammad Ali IRL and in GoN assumed the role of if not all, then most of the social functions of normal Islamic institutions as a means by which to dismember the power of institutional rivals to the Muhammad Ali family. So, "They don't like Egypt" sort of involves a range of feeling from distrust to existential horror at Egypt since it implies that if they are to become subjects to Egypt, their monastic orders would most likely be destroyed, and the fact that - at least in the Western Sufi tradition - entirely dismantle the tribal relationships of the Berber tribes of North Africa. You may have maybe one or two individuals that admire Egypt for its reforms, but those are outliers.

[Letter Bee]

@Letter Bee

To expand the government of Muhammad Ali IRL and in GoN assumed the role of if not all, then most of the social functions of normal Islamic institutions as a means by which to dismember the power of institutional rivals to the Muhammad Ali family. So, "They don't like Egypt" sort of involves a range of feeling from distrust to existential horror at Egypt since it implies that if they are to become subjects to Egypt, their monastic orders would most likely be destroyed, and the fact that - at least in the Western Sufi tradition - entirely dismantle the tribal relationships of the Berber tribes of North Africa. You may have maybe one or two individuals that admire Egypt for its reforms, but those are outliers.

@Dinh AaronMk

I see, so a Sufi-led rebellion might be viable in Egypt, then. Perfect?

[Dinh AaronMk]

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I see, so a Sufi-led rebellion might be viable in Egypt, then. Perfect?

@Letter Bee

I think they would just move to Libya.

[Letter Bee]

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I think they would just move to Libya.

@Dinh AaronMk

Oh. Dangit.

[Letter Bee]

Question, with Yam I Am being on hiatus/vacation, can I have Russia's Decemberists instead? Or would that be verboten?

@Dinh AaronMk

[Dinh AaronMk]

@Letter Bee

Verboten

[Letter Bee]

@Letter Bee

Verboten

@Dinh AaronMk

Understandable. As for Muhammad Ali's Egypt, I was thinking a sudden crash in cotton prices will lead to a revolution, but I don't know how to write the exact details of that.

[Dinh AaronMk]

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Understandable. As for Muhammad Ali's Egypt, I was thinking a sudden crash in cotton prices will lead to a revolution, but I don't know how to write the exact details of that.

@Letter Bee

In the case of a cotton crash: you may not really see it "crash" for a while. Especially in the case like a agricultural commodity where it has to be seeded, crown, and harvested before going to market, and that middle stage takes a long while. It'd be a "crash" that really manifests in a year and the natural response for Egypt would have to be either cut their loses and stop or more naturally go in harder to produce more cotton to make up for the losses and aggravate the cotton crash further. The later is more natural because the government already owns all the arable land, at least in Egypt, and order more cotton grown in place of essential agricultural goods would be very easy to do. And with those revenues probably buy food stuff abroad to compensate for the lack of grain production at home. Of course, the effect of having to spike production to compensate for losses also helps repress cotton prices and maintain the recession and raise costs on the state, that will have to take out loans to compensate for that season of production. By the next, if Muhammad Ali doesn't go on some grand expedition to acquire more land to extract more treasure from he will have to produce more cotton in already depressed economy to also import more food and also pay the interests.

The likely result isn't a revolution at home in Egypt where the peasants have already long lost their land, revolted, and lost, and are kept moving around as army and corvée labor, but a default of the Egyptian economy and the western banks he had to take loans from moving in to at least do some minimal financial administration to extract the funds for the projects similar to the OPDA or The Veiled Protectorate, except if not the British then the French or someone.

And given the state of the RP right now, you're not likely to get there.

[Letter Bee]

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In the case of a cotton crash: you may not really see it "crash" for a while. Especially in the case like a agricultural commodity where it has to be seeded, crown, and harvested before going to market, and that middle stage takes a long while. It'd be a "crash" that really manifests in a year and the natural response for Egypt would have to be either cut their loses and stop or more naturally go in harder to produce more cotton to make up for the losses and aggravate the cotton crash further. The later is more natural because the government already owns all the arable land, at least in Egypt, and order more cotton grown in place of essential agricultural goods would be very easy to do. And with those revenues probably buy food stuff abroad to compensate for the lack of grain production at home. Of course, the effect of having to spike production to compensate for losses also helps repress cotton prices and maintain the recession and raise costs on the state, that will have to take out loans to compensate for that season of production. By the next, if Muhammad Ali doesn't go on some grand expedition to acquire more land to extract more treasure from he will have to produce more cotton in already depressed economy to also import more food and also pay the interests.

The likely result isn't a revolution at home in Egypt where the peasants have already long lost their land, revolted, and lost, and are kept moving around as army and corvée labor, but a default of the Egyptian economy and the western banks he had to take loans from moving in to at least do some minimal financial administration to extract the funds for the projects similar to the OPDA or The Veiled Protectorate, except if not the British then the French or someone.

And given the state of the RP right now, you're not likely to get there.

@Dinh AaronMk

This is true. We've discussed Muhammad Ali offering Sudanese soldiers to help out the French in their operations in Russia, right?

Edit: Wait, the RP might not survive long enough to get to that, either. Or is already dead.