[OOC] Fate/Stay Night OOC

[Dazed]

Tatsua Aiisen said
The main problem I have with these "OC" characters is that they don't follow the standard formula for becoming a Servant in the universe. Basically, Servants must have been some variety of legendary hero in their past life, who transcended death by having their spirit summoned by the Holy Grail.

On this given information. I'm going to update my CS. Picture change needs to be done as well. I want something more Norse now, since he has Thor's hammer. After or in between work I will perform this duty. Also updating his bio accordingly. Since I now see the big issue in his bio and being new/unkown. ^-^ (I thank ChunkyCaptain for that too.)

I know others may see this as nit picky or 'backseat gm'ing' But I thank you for the information given to me, that will further help me improve the CS to be more accepted or apart of this universe/lore.

[Dazed]

Appearance:

Name: Beowulf

Role: Servent/Beserker class

Who is their Master: Undetermined (not chosen yet in OOC)

Class (servant only): Beserker

Weapon(s): fists are his basic weapons.

Noble Phantasm: Thor's Hammer, Mjolnir

Noble Phantasm description: Beowulf utilizes the power of Norse god of thunder Thor. It is a massive, ornate hammer that requires a massive arm of great strength in order to wield. It is a powerful weapon, and it can be thrown with great force. It uses the power of lightning in order to attack once activated as a Noble Phantasm, but its full power cannot be utilized inside a building. It is still overwhelming in such a state.

Raising it towards the sky outside causes lighting to strike it, doubling its potential power. If more lighting is called forth, it increases even more in power, changing its shape as it takes in the lightning.

Magic: Mad Enhancement

Personality (can be left blank): Beowulf is a great warrior, characterized predominantly by his feats of strength and courage. He also perfectly embodies the manners and values dictated by the Germanic heroic code, including loyalty, courtesy, and pride.

Bio/History:

King Hrothgar of Denmark, a descendant of the great king Shield Sheafson, enjoys a prosperous and successful reign. He builds a great mead-hall, called Heorot, where his warriors can gather to drink, receive gifts from their lord, and listen to stories sung by the scops, or bards. But the jubilant noise from Heorot angers Grendel, a horrible demon who lives in the swamplands of Hrothgar’s kingdom. Grendel terrorizes the Danes every night, killing them and defeating their efforts to fight back. The Danes suffer many years of fear, danger, and death at the hands of Grendel. Eventually, however, a young Geatish warrior named Beowulf hears of Hrothgar’s plight. Inspired by the challenge, Beowulf sails to Denmark with a small company of men, determined to defeat Grendel.

Hrothgar, who had once done a great favor for Beowulf’s father Ecgtheow, accepts Beowulf’s offer to fight Grendel and holds a feast in the hero’s honor. During the feast, an envious Dane named Unferth taunts Beowulf and accuses him of being unworthy of his reputation. Beowulf responds with a boastful description of some of his past accomplishments. His confidence cheers the Danish warriors, and the feast lasts merrily into the night. At last, however, Grendel arrives. Beowulf fights him unarmed, proving himself stronger than the demon, who is terrified. As Grendel struggles to escape, Beowulf tears the monster’s arm off. Mortally wounded, Grendel slinks back into the swamp to die. The severed arm is hung high in the mead-hall as a trophy of victory.

Overjoyed, Hrothgar showers Beowulf with gifts and treasure at a feast in his honor. Songs are sung in praise of Beowulf, and the celebration lasts late into the night. But another threat is approaching. Grendel’s mother, a swamp-hag who lives in a desolate lake, comes to Heorot seeking revenge for her son’s death. She murders Aeschere, one of Hrothgar’s most trusted advisers, before slinking away. To avenge Aeschere’s death, the company travels to the murky swamp, where Beowulf dives into the water and fights Grendel’s mother in her underwater lair. He kills her with a sword forged for a giant, then, finding Grendel’s corpse, decapitates it and brings the head as a prize to Hrothgar. The Danish countryside is now purged of its treacherous monsters.

The Danes are again overjoyed, and Beowulf’s fame spreads across the kingdom. Beowulf departs after a sorrowful goodbye to Hrothgar, who has treated him like a son. He returns to Geatland, where he and his men are reunited with their king and queen, Hygelac and Hygd, to whom Beowulf recounts his adventures in Denmark. Beowulf then hands over most of his treasure to Hygelac, who, in turn, rewards him.

In time, Hygelac is killed in a war against the Shylfings, and, after Hygelac’s son dies, Beowulf ascends to the throne of the Geats. He rules wisely for fifty years, bringing prosperity to Geatland. When Beowulf is an old man, however, a thief disturbs a barrow, or mound, where a great dragon lies guarding a horde of treasure. Enraged, the dragon emerges from the barrow and begins unleashing fiery destruction upon the Geats. Sensing his own death approaching, Beowulf goes to fight the dragon. With the aid of Wiglaf, he succeeds in killing the beast, but at a heavy cost. The dragon bites Beowulf in the neck, and its fiery venom kills him moments after their encounter. The Geats fear that their enemies will attack them now that Beowulf is dead. According to Beowulf’s wishes, they burn their departed king’s body on a huge funeral pyre and then bury him with a massive treasure in a barrow overlooking the sea.

Last edit! I promise ^-^

[GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow]

What Tatsua's saying is that a Servant needs some historical/mythological grounding, they can't be entirely OCs. EMIYA was eligible because of Counter Guardian shenanigans, Rin's pendant, and things of that nature. Fake Assassin has a historical basis but never actually existed, so the Grail searched through the Akashic Record for a wraith most similar to the legend of Sasaki Kojiro and summoned that wraith, which only ever happened because he didn't have a real summoning. The point is that both EMIYA and Not!Kojiro had justifications for being summoned as Servants, completely "original" Servants don't work in the same way. They need to have existed historically or in legend, rather than being some legend you made up.

Also Mjolnir doesn't work as his NP for a couple other reasons, but that comes secondary.

[Tatsua Aiisen]

GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow said
What Tatsua's saying is that a Servant needs some historical/mythological grounding, they can't be entirely OCs. EMIYA was eligible because of Counter Guardian shenanigans, Rin's pendant, and things of that nature. Fake Assassin has a historical basis but never actually existed, so the Grail searched through the Akashic Record for a wraith most similar to the legend of Sasaki Kojiro and summoned that wraith, which only ever happened because he didn't have a real summoning. The point is that both EMIYA and Not!Kojiro had justifications for being summoned as Servants, completely "original" Servants don't work in the same way. They need to have existed historically or in legend, rather than being some legend you made up.Also Mjolnir doesn't work as his NP for a couple other reasons, but that comes secondary.

I had no idea how wonderful it felt to have somebody with a similar suite of knowledge knowledge in a sea of people without it. Until now. I love you~

As this awesome fellow said, EMIYA is a complete anomaly resulting from a clusterfuck of extraordinary circumstances all coming together at a precise, unlikely moment during the fifth HF. Using him as an example isn't fair, he isn't in the same category as ordinary Servants to begin with.

[Grey]

This still open? If so, I'd like to make an Assassin, True and/or Fake.

[Squall0175]

@grey I believe we have everyone we need if not the only slot open would be a master

[Dazed]

I edited my cs. Made him the Hero Beowulf.

^-^

[Grey]

Squall0175 said
@grey I believe we have everyone we need if not the only slot open would be a master

Alrighty, thanks for your time. But if anyone disappears or summin', you know who to call.

[BB]

Welcome to: Teach Me BB Sensei!

Well then, since people seem to be having a debate over this, I think I'll take a chance to end this once and for all. Normally I wouldn't go this far, but I think just this once will be acceptable, for Tatsua's sake. Now, I'm going to explain why having custom OC servants is not only impossible, I'm also going to explain why it makes your original servants far weaker then even the most pathetic and obscure normal Heroic Spirit.

Its been awhile since I've actually had to use quotes, but since I'm doing this, I'm going to do this right.

A forewarning; this is not me questioning the admin of this roleplay. By all means, I respect Squalls authority and peoples have a right to have whatever kind of fun they want. Honestly, I don't really care which way this debate turns, nor do I honestly mind what decision is made. I am merely a wanderer who has found entertainment in what the outcome of this Holy Grail War could be.

-That being said, I will say that what I'm about to say is all fully canon. To choose to ignore it is essentially wholly ignoring the universe, its canon, and its mechanics that say that this isn't possible, not only that, if it was the OC servant would be horrible. Still, this is your RP. Do as you please, and I do say this sincerely.

It's your roleplay. You decide what's best for it and your roleplayers.

Now then! I've drabbled on long enough, so I'll deliver my truths now.

I'll pick every single argument apart and grind them all down until they're naught but dust. Sound kewl? Then lets begin.

Tatsua Aiisen said
An entirely OC servant with no historical connection? Nooooope

Squall0175 said You do know not all servants in Fate/stay night had historical connections right?

Tatsua Aiisen said All of them did, I don't know if you watched the show. Or read the visual novel.

Squall0175 said Explain to me about Archer then who was
the main character from a alternate timeline
last time I checked he wasn't of any historical resemblance or anything but in the world of fiction

Drakeonis said
While I see where you're coming from Tatsua , Squall does have a point. Anomaly or not, EMIYA was technically a heroic spirit. who had no historical connections, and then there was Stay/Night's Assassin who was fictional character.

Alrighty folks! Here's the argument laid out nice and neat. I'll add a little spice to this one for the folks at home' even if this one is exceedingly easy.

So then, lets start with "why OC servants make you weak". Well then we can already establish that inserting someone into history or legend who never existed there before won't work, because then you're just randomly making things up. So on a basis, that's already wrong, and I don't need to post quotes for that but hey, I will anyway.

Heroic Spirits [Concept]
The Heroes who achieved great deeds and were worshiped after death became Heroic Spirits.

So you basically have to be a Hero who "achieved great deeds and were worshiped". Basically, famous people in the past; Hercules, Medusa, Medea, Alexander the Great, Napoleon, the list goes on. To actually make a "Heroic Spirit" you would have to make up a legend or historical person from scratch, and say they were a famous and known hero that I can enter into wikipedia right now and see if it was in the FSN universe.

That takes anyone from the past completely off the table.

Now, on to the future.

You may ask "But BB sensei! Can't I just have a laser sword wielding space monk from the future as my Hero? Or perhaps a dual wielding SMG power armored clad FPS protagonist?"

You'd be wrong, and this is why;

Q: If there are Heroic Spirits like Archer, who was summoned independent of time axis, is it possible for warriors from the future, who are loaded with modern weapons, to be summoned as Servants?

A: Although modern weapons are powerful, it is difficult for the users of modern weapons to be classified as Heroic Spirits. The advantage of modern weapons is "anyone can use them as long as they were trained", thus it is difficult for the user to become a Heroic Spirit, whose definition is "the one and only". The users of modern weapons are faceless heroes. If there are indeed heroes who are loaded with modern weapons, the users will not become Heroic Spirits, as they are merely "experts anyone can achieve through sufficient training". The actual Heroic Spirits being worshiped will be the "greatest weapon of that era". However, for the weapon to become a Heroic Spirit in this case, it must harbour a soul.

Further, even if you could create such a Hero, you could not properly use them;

Servant Summoning
First, the Master performs a ritual to interfere with the Greater Grail, then the Greater Grail borrows the information of the main body of the Greater Grail in the Throne of Heroes.
The information (soul of highest purity of the Heroic Spirit) is blown into the container that is the Class, and the created copy of the Heroic Spirit is the Servant.
The Servant is an unstable existence that should not be in the world so its coordinates in the world have to be anchored, using the Master as the host. The Mater also has the role of supplying magic energy to the Servant.
When performing the ritual, the Master can designate the Heroic Spirit to be summoned by preparing a catalyst with ties to the Servant of his desire.

Even with an unskilled summoning circle and without chanting the spell, if a human has a catalyst, the requirements for the Grail can be met..."

As you can see you need a catalyst, and you won't have a catalyst if your servant is from the future.

However, even if you do make a hero from the future, even if you do somehow magically summon them, there's the fact they're exceedingly weaker then even the weakest legitimate heroic spirit as;

Since Emiya is a Heroic Spirit from the future, he does not have any blessings provided by fame. In addition, he does not have Noble Phantasms

In other words, their fighting ability is low, and you get no Noble Phantasms to use. In other words, you're pathetically weak.

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Dazed said
I edited my cs. Made him the Hero Beowulf.^-^

You make me proud.

Grey said
Alrighty, thanks for your time. But if anyone disappears or summin', you know who to call.

I can give up my slot as Berserkers master to you, however if I do I would like to use one of the alternate classes that the side story introduced, or a non master magus.

[Grey]

BB said I can give up my slot as Berserkers master to you, however if I do I would like to use one of the alternate classes that the side story introduced, or a non master magus.

Ah, that won't be necessary, given I'm absolutely pitiful at making Master concepts "^_^

[BB]

Grey said
Ah, that won't be necessary, given I'm absolutely pitiful at making Master concepts "^_^

Hmmmm, if Alt classes are opened, I can make a master for your Alt Class Servant, if the admin allows Alt classes. Does that sound better~?

[BB]

Oops, apologies for accidental double post.

[Squall0175]

Tbh I completely forgot about the alternate classes but ya if you think you'd be able to handle two characters BB I have no objections to a alternate class being used and no prob with the double post I know how it is ^^' used a phone for rping for a few years of my life double posting was a common thing that happened

[Grey]

...Why am I getting 'Grail Supervisor summons Ruler class because Gilgamesh is running rampant without a Master' vibes...?

[Grey]

DERBERL PERSHT.

[BB]

It's making me double post a lot as well, tis weird.

[Squall0175]

Oh and while I am thinking about it if I see people gaining up on people and I don't mean like 2 people ganging up on one person I mean like if for some reason 4 people (as in servants) are ganging up on I will have Gilgamesh come in and kinda even it out because again we're here to have fun and being killed early in the rp isn't going to be much fun for the ones who get killed

[Grey]

>Gilgamesh helping random people
>Gilgamesh helping random people.
>Gilgamesh. Helping. Random. People

There is something very, very wrong with that statement.

Why not just go with the 'if you have no way to save yourself (Command Seals, nearby friendly-ish Servants, attacking the Master to force defense, etc) you die no ifs buts or whys' route? I recall being in an RP like that and it worked pretty well.

EDIT: Though if you have a valid, in-character reason, by all means go have Gil go wild.

[Squall0175]

The way I would do it wouldn't be Gil helping random people more like Gil seeing a chance to kill off many servants and masters at once bringing him to the holy grail even faster then was previously anticipated

[BB]

Grey Ima PM