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I know it's crazy. In my opinion DC makes the best animated movies superhero wise, but Marvels great movies. Although I did enjoy The Dark Knight an dthe Man of steel. They were good. but I wasn't as satisfied with them as most Marvel movies.


Now if only DC could undo the new 52
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Heads up: sorry I haven't been around lately cus of this bad fever! It's clearing up though so I should be around more often. Did I miss anything?
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You have literally not missed anything. Not much important stuff yet. So you're good. Just focus on getting better.


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Now if only DC could undo the new 52


I don't really have any problem with it... Of course, I haven't really been able to get into it much. I've heard some good things and some bad. I like the way they did it though. I thought it was pretty smart and refreshing. I'm also liking Superman and Wonder Woman as a couple.

I want Damian back thought :(
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Now if only DC could undo the new 52


Sadly, the chances of that happening are severely unlikely. DC fucked up, and they are determined not to admit it. Most of their lead writters have left because of this, and so, they are being forced to hire unknown guys... Which is both good and bad... Good, because it allows unknown talent to properly shine... But also, they have no veterans to coach these budding writers through their rough patches.

For example, I am confident that I have some good idea's for DC, if they were willing to hire me, however, i wouldn't dream of using those idea's in their current state, i would want to discuss them with someone that actually knows a LOT more about the medium than I do. Otherwise we get these half-baked villains like Harvest, and the event, The Culling. This story had potential, Harvest has a very nice design, and his backstory is... Well, it's not exactly original, but if executed well, it makes for a lot of story opportunities for him... IT wasn't executed well and he ended up being more of an idiot than anything else.

DC really need to pull their thumb out. Marvel are doing rather well at the moment, ok, so there was an innitial backlash to Superior Spider-man, but since we know that this change isn't permanent, we are sitting back and watching a fun story unfold, asking "How does one of the foremost villains of the world, turn into one of the foremost heroes of the world." With a really fun answer... DC on the otherhand have simply hit the reset button, but have no idea what to do now... And whereas I like Superior Spider-man, because it's a fun little story arc... I despise DC, because they have fucked up so many characters, Starfire is now a slutbag, Jason Todd is as boring as ever, They introduced Artemis (The one from the Young Justice series) Into the comics, where she had a conversation with Robin, and then was killed by one of Harvest's Goons 5 minutes later (Yes, they did that, she is dead. dick move DC...) Amanda Waller and Ma Hunkle are back, and they are now hot (Something that entirely defeats the point of Ma Hunkles costume, as, thanks to her stocky build, she fooled everyone into thinking that the Red Tornado was a Man. Now, unless you are blind or just really fucking thick, you will probably guess she is a woman... and with Waller, it's REALLY distracting... I loved her design, she was a large woman that could match wits with Batman. Now, she's just any other James Bond spy-girl.) And worst of all, they are shipping Wonder Woman with Superman again... And this time, it's all probably a permanent change.

Wonder Woman and Superman CANNOT work as a couple, hell, Kingdom Come, arguably the ONLY actually good Elseworlds story (what DC call their "What If..." stories) and argued by some to be DC's single best comic, tackled a Superman/Wonder Woman relationship, and at best, it was passable... Every other attempt was terrible. And so, they have seen this idea and gone "Well, just because some of our greatest writers tried and failed, doesn't mean that these new, untested and un-mentored guys are going to fail..." The entire point of Superman being with Lois, is to remind him what he's fighting for, humanity, to protect the woman he loves, because she can't protect herself against beings of vast power, like Zod, Brainiac and Darkseid... Wonder Woman can... She is also a god. Superman loves Lois, because he is Clark Kent first, Superman second, and Clark will ALWAYS love Lois. WW is Wonder Woman first, Diana Prince second. That's why she works so well with Batman... Because Batman is Batman first, second, third and fourth, then way down the line is Bruce Wayne. He needs a deity to remind him that he isn't... The same works for Catwoman, who suffers with the same problems as Bats, only to a MUCH lesser extent.

DC remind me a lot of that South Park episode with the Intellilink. Everyone see's that it's broken, everyone knows that it's broken, even the people who are defending it know that it's broken... But they are not willing to admit that they fucked up, and so, everything is continuing to get worse...

Nu52 has been around for 2 and a half years... It started really poorly, and nothing much has changed, we have got the odd good comic, but most series are cancelled before they get a proper run, and those that aren't cancelled simply trail off into a lackluster or confusing climax. Hell, the timeline for this series is confusing as hell. Superheroes have only been around for 5 years... Except Batman, who has been around a little longer, just not in the public eye... And yet 4 of the Robins still happened... (Stephanie Brown is not allowed to be used in Nu52... Orders straight from Dan DiDio... Orders that pissed the fans off to no-end.)

DC need to just come forward, say "We fucked up... Give us a little time..." Then come out with a big event comic that will sort out all of these loose-ends...

Sorry for the rant, it's just that, Nu52 pisses me off SO MUCH!!!
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I was about to say something about the New52 but you pretty much summed it up.
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Yeah... Just don't get me started on the cartoons or we are going to be here all fucking year... You know, how all of the good ones get cancelled after 1 season, yet Teen Titans Go! is being renewed for another 3 seasons...

On a related note, what did everyone think of Beware the Batman? You know, all 11 episodes of it before they put it on "Hiatus" (NOTE: Whenever DC puts a show on Hiatus, it's either cancelled at the end of the season, or they simply never take it off hiatus...)
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Yeah... Just don't get me started on the cartoons or we are going to be here all fucking year... You know, how all of the good ones get cancelled after 1 season, yet Teen Titans Go! is being renewed for another 3 seasons...On a related note, what did everyone think of Beware the Batman? You know, all 11 episodes of it before they put it on "Hiatus" (NOTE: Whenever DC puts a show on Hiatus, it's either cancelled at the end of the season, or they simply never take it off hiatus...)


*cough*Young Justice*cough*

I hated the bullshit they pulled with YJ - cancelling it because the demographic was largely female, setting up Artemis and Miss Martian for really interesting story arcs just to sideline them for the guys...
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I had mixed feelings about it actually. The art style was hard to get used to and definitely look of Alfred but that's because of how i often view the English Butler. I associate him with baldness (Not shaven) or very short and neat grey-ish hair plus a mustache. It was weird to see him more like Agent 47. Though it does sound kinda cool on paper, 47 as Batman's servant.

I really didn't have anything to say about Katana. Found her rather boring and the Villain roster was...questionable. I guess they may have been having Brave and the Bold thing where they were more focusing on lesser known characters but it felt like they didn't do enough with what they had and it felt like there were various Iconic Batman Villain shaped holes that weren't being filled. It felt...too restricted in my opinion like they were holding back.
These first 11 episodes were bad, per say. But they weren't that interesting either. I watched them all and I wanted to see something more being done with it. Infact, I was looking forward to what they would do with the Joker because it was going to happen eventually.
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I had mixed feelings about it actually. The art style was hard to get used to and definitely look of Alfred but that's because of how i often view the English Butler. I associate him with baldness (Not shaven) or very short and neat grey-ish hair plus a mustache. It was weird to see him more like Agent 47. Though it does sound kinda cool on paper, 47 as Batman's servant. I really didn't have anything to say about Katana. Found her rather boring and the Villain roster was...questionable. I guess they may have been having Brave and the Bold thing where they were more focusing on lesser known characters but it felt like they didn't do enough with what they had and it felt like there were various Iconic Batman Villain shaped holes that weren't being filled. It felt...too restricted in my opinion like they were holding back.These first 11 episodes were bad, per say. But they weren't that interesting either. I watched them all and I wanted to see something more being done with it. Infact, I was looking forward to what they would do with the Joker because it was going to happen eventually.


Actually, they specifically said Joker WASN'T going to happen at all, because they felt he had been done to death... And I agree... Although, i do like the art-style, but honestly, i think that it could have done with villains that were obscure in that they hadn't had much limelight in the cartoons, rather than the ones that you get the feeling that they were kept out of the Cartoons for a reason...

I mean, using villains like Firefly, Killer Moth, Clock King, The 3 Ghosts of Batman, Azrael, Hugo Strange, Man-Bat... Hell, maybe even Batzarro. Granted, some of them have had singular episodes devoted to them in previous series, but i wanted them to take center stage for this. Be the proper villains, ones that are going to fuck batsy's shit up. Killer Moth is perfect for that role, as he is supposed to be a Villain version of Batman.
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You can't have batman without Joker though, I feel. Xx
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Well, I was unaware of the Joker trivia. But still, not using ANY iconic Batman Villains with the exception of Ra's Al Ghul felt like a bit of a waste.

But Killer Moth has been atleast 2 of DC properties with more than one dialogue. He was in "The Batman" series back in 2000 as a human-moth mutant, Teen Titans as the father of that crazy Robin fangirl.
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Killer Moth has been atleast 2 of DC properties with more than one dialogue. He was in "The Batman" series back in 2000 as a human-moth mutant, Teen Titans as the father of that crazy Robin fangirl.


My point is that he has never taken center stage as a true villain. Ok, he was the villain of 1 off episodes, appeared, happened, disappeared. What i mean is that i would love them to become the over-arching villains of the whole series. Killer Moth taking the Joker Position as arch-nemesis, Firefly being the secondary main villain, akin to Two-Face, Clock King being the smart one that gives Batmans mind a run for his money, taking the Riddler position. But all of them given their own unique personalities and ways of doing things. Maybe even bringing them to the front of the limelight, like TBatB did for Plastic Man, Booster Gold, Aquaman, Captain Marvel (I don't care if they now have to call him Shazam for legal reasons, he is Captain Marvel...) and Blue Beetle.
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Blue Beetle got alot of coverage in YJ and Aquaman is so underrated. I mean, he is a part of the big 7
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Blue Beetle got alot of coverage in YJ and Aquaman is so underrated. I mean, he is a part of the big 7


Yes, but TBatB brought them to the front and into everyones attention, Before TBatB, unless you properly read the comics, you didn't know who the Blue Beetle was, and you probably associated Aquaman with his useless Super Friends counterpart, or if you were lucky to remember, that awesome guy from those 2-3 episodes of Justice League.

Say what you like about how silly it was and lack of payoff for some of the bigger events, TBatB brought attention to those who deserved it, and proved that Joker doesn't HAVE to be the main villain of every Batman series.
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I can't really say that TBatB was even a Batman show. It was more like he was the host of a party while everyone else was the life of it.
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Actually, i would say he was more of a binding theme... Because there were some great episodes that really focused on him and the Bat Family, like "Chill of the Night", "The Plague of the Prototypes!" and "Knights of Tomorrow" But all of the episodes do involve some development for Batman as a character.
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... Damn I got shot down and drowned out pretty quickly. And that's cool and all! I'll just go back to my planning board.
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... Damn I got shot down and drowned out pretty quickly. And that's cool and all! I'll just go back to my planning board.


Actually, you were answered. Drakel pointed out this post to you.

Demon Shenobi said You have literally not missed anything. Not much important stuff yet. So you're good. Just focus on getting better.
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Nawh,I know Drakel answered, I was just hoping for a little bit more input, ya know? Like what the five pages of OOC I missed were about
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