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Leidenschaft said
Ah, Gcold did indeed say something. Sorry for doubting you, friend.


Leidenschaft has the full authority to moderate this RP, he doesn't need my approval to act.

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IC, perfect, also can we please get the accepted nations on the OP with a link to them?


I'll get that going right away.
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Jangel13 said
yeah sorry but once the messenger is gone ill stop for a while but yeah it was a face to face negotiation thing


I understand. It's just that I'd like the first round of posting so far to be within the same time-frame. Letters sent between rulers to other rulers, or rulers to their generals, etc. will take days or even weeks when the lore scale of Tamriel is taken into account. For reference, High Rock, in lore scale, would engulf the entire Western and Southern regions of Europe.

That being said, regardless, I would like to keep negotiations orderly and in one single post to keep the IC looking orderly and making it easier for the GMs to sift through each nations' actions. I'll talk to Gcold about what he wants, but I believe that it'd be easier to go along with my suggestion, as it would keep it easier to get the time-frame's events and extrapolate potential daily issues and other things vital to us keeping this RP interesting.
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Leidenschaft said
I understand. It's just that I'd like the first round of posting so far to be within the same time-frame. Letters sent between rulers to other rulers, or rulers to their generals, etc. will take days or even weeks when the lore scale of Tamriel is taken into account. For reference, High Rock, in lore scale, would engulf the entire Western and Southern regions of Europe.


Yes I agree with this. You can keep what you have so far, but just wait a bit before the messenger returns.
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Leidenschaft has the full authority to moderate this RP, he doesn't need my approval to act. I'll get that going right away.


Awesome, will help in navigating the sheets.

Also I did some soft math work, and got an average estimate of Hammerfell's population. Which gives me a good idea of what I would be capable of logistics wise.

http://www222.pair.com/sjohn/blueroom/demog.htm
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Our current strength stands over 33,00 strong


Uh, 3300 is not that strong....
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Uh, 3300 is not that strong....


Me: *Reads 3300* Oh... Well shit, so much for hoping they could hel defeat the Thalmor!

A lot of Hammerfell is desert and their fight with the Thalmor was almost a Phyrric Victory so you could understand lower than average numbers I guess :|
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Uh, 3300 is not that strong....

Maybe he meant to say 33,000?
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Maybe he meant to say 33,000?


More than likely.
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Leidenschaft said
More than likely.


That is indeed what I meant, and makes up to around 0.5% of the total estimated population of Hammerfell.

(The desert surprisingly makes up little of Hammerfell over all.)
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I think I should point out that an Arrow to the Eye, even in a fantasy setting, isn't exactly a laughing matter, he'd likely require a mage to heal him immediately or consume some of those almighty potions that exist within TES xD
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As a side note, it is smaller then Cyrodiil's estimated strength of 51,936 or so troops under ideal conditions. This takes into account geography and economy. But does not account for losses and damage to infrastructure from the great war.

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I think I should point out that an Arrow to the Eye, even in a fantasy setting, isn't exactly a laughing matter, he'd likely require a mage to heal him immediately or consume some of those almighty potions that exist within TES xD


I find it amazing he even walked away from that, you'd think nothing short of a berserking Orc could pull that off.
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I find it amazing he even walked away from that, you'd think nothing short of a berserking Orc cloud pull that off.


Indeed, it's generally one of those 'FUCK!' moments. It's not the sort of wound where one would yank the object out, charge the enemy declaring "Tis but a scratch!" xD
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darkwolf687 said
Indeed, it's generally one of those 'FUCK!' moments. It's not the sort of wound where one would yank the object out, charge the enemy declaring "Tis but a scratch!" xD


Reminds me of that orc in one of those Warcraft trailer who yanked an arrow out of his chest, only to have another arrow hit him in the same spot before he keeled over. I think Harold during the Battle of Hastings took an arrow to the eye as well and lost the battle and his life.

Btw, will you still have that summit you talked about? If not I can go ahead with tying up my leader for something else.
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Reminds me of that orc in one of those Warcraft trailer who yanked an arrow out of his chest, only to have another arrow hit him in the same spot before he keeled over. I think Harold during the Battle of Hastings took an arrow to the eye as well and lost the battle and his life. Btw, will you still have that summit you talked about? If not I can go ahead with tying up my leader for something else.


No one is really certain whether he was killed by an arrow in the eye or not, some think yes others think no

And yes, that'll be done in the next post

Got a lot to type up now, the Khajiit sending for aid, the calling of a Summit, the Messenger returning to his Legate etc. xD
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No one is really certain whether he was killed by an arrow in the eye or not, some think yes others think noAnd yes, that'll be done in the next postGot a lot to type up now, the Khajiit sending for aid, the calling of a Summit, the Messenger returning to his Legate etc. xD


Prefect, mean time we'll be building up our navy...for no reason...don't worry about it.
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Prefect, mean time we'll be building up our navy...for no reason...don't worry about it.


Haha xD That makes me worry :P
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Doing some rough estimates it turns out Alinor, I.E the Thalmor would have terribly few forces in terms of a standing army. (it was very hard to get the numbers due to how little is known about Summerset Isles)

At best they would have something along the lines of 25,515 soldiers, and that's not taking into account the loses they suffered during the last war, and how slow elves are at replacing losses.

Few people would not be able to crush Alinor, atm. :k
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Doing some rough estimates it turns out Alinor, I.E the Thalmor would have terribly few forces in terms of a standing army. (it was very hard to get the numbers due to how little is known about Summerset Isles)At best they would have something along the lines of 25,515 soldiers, and that's not taking into account the loses they suffered during the last war, and how slow elves are at replacing losses. Few people would not be able to crush Alinor, atm. :k

To be fair, a battlemage is much more powerful than an average soldier if we're to look at this from a lore perspective, rather than a gameplay one. So I'm not sure if I'd agree that they'd be at a disadvantage in a battle simply due to smaller numbers.
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But most places have battle mages of their own, who might not be as skilled but many will be able to hold their own long enough their allies can kill 'em, and we are talking majorly different here too. Lets say we slash the Thalmor number by 7000 due to the great war and the Elves slow replacement of these losses (it could potentially be even less troops, as Khan said 25,515 at best without a counting the great war) then compare that to Hammerfells 33,000. It's almost half the size, the Redguards have about a 15,000 lead on them, and that's a large number advantage. Not saying it's be a walk in the park (Thalmor Battlemages are strong, as you said) but the Redguard definitely hold a fair advantage there I think.
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But most places have battle mages of their own, who might not be as skilled but many will be able to hold their own long enough their allies can kill 'em, and we are talking majorly different here too. Lets say we slash the Thalmor number by 7000 due to the great war and the Elves slow replacement of these losses (it could potentially be even less troops, as Khan said 25,515 at best without a counting the great war) then compare that to Hammerfells 33,000. It's almost half the size, the Redguards have about a 15,000 lead on them, and that's a large number advantage. Not saying it's be a walk in the park (Thalmor Battlemages are strong, as you said) but the Redguard definitely hold a fair advantage there I think.

You have a point, I'm just trying to emphasize that taking out the Thalmor should not be a walk in a park by any means, and should require at least some form of a coalition. All sorts factors would come in to play with an open war between the Thalmor and anyone else (for example, transporting an army to Summerset, a behemoth and sluggish task in and of itself), so I'm just proposing that we don't get too caught up in numbers, as they're only one factor of many.

This brings me to another point, we really should get someone to man Summerset for this RP. It's likely that they'll get into a war at some point, and without a player at the helm of the defenders it's a rather uneven match-up. Not that I don't trust the people participating, but it usually turns out better if pivotal wars are fought between RPers and NPCs, as 99% of the time the RPers fabricate a way for themselves to win, fair or otherwise. I've been trying to convince a couple of RL friends to join as Summerset, but they'd both be new to RPing (though both are familiar with TES and one is an avid writer). Anyway, a RP Guild local would probably be quicker and simpler, so if anyone has a buddy in mind...
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