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It's a new piece of automation, which tends to take a cut at jobs when new robots are introduced to the factory floor. And when one machine can do a job in crafting a piece of machinery from a block of metal when the same job could have been done by three people there'd certainly be job cuts. Or when 3d printers can be cheap enough that anyone can start their own manufacturing in their garage and turning the system on its head where they can effectively make copies of anything. It's already something on the debating floor for legislation to control the short term, and we're looking at an RP where the technology had had thirty years to build on. I'm sure if it's not perfect it will be made perfect to make up for a lack of hands on factory floors.

I live in an area where the economy has been defined by manufacturing. More specifically one sort of manufacturing: automobiles. And if it can be built cheaper it will be built cheaper.

And China's already 3d printing houses. A task that could take twenty men and a couple months has been reduced to five-thousand dollars and a tenth of a day. And construction is a pretty big temporary job position when things are booming.

Things will stay boom and the people on top will still be on top. But they'll have a larger class of angsty unemployed who had jobs before a button and automated cutting head took it over.
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The idea behind India's attempted restoration of an independent Tibet isn't necessarily a religious one. They'd be looking for a justification to cripple their main adversary (the other continental superpower, China), take disputed territory in the process, and pass it off as a justified war to liberate a peaceful theocratic nation from the big-bad-commies while simultaneously placing that nation within their sphere of influence. It's a power-grab neatly disguised as a just and necessary war, really.Anyway, I think I'll go forward with the limited nuclear exchange between Pakistan and India, and will probably try to tie both wars together to make it a it more pitched and hectic. The spot will certainly be a hotspot for conflict, both before and after the start of the RP, I'm sure. Anyway, Africa will certainly be getting the economic window you spoke of I suppose, now that India's going to be hit hard. Well, I'll start researching a bit more and try to weave together an equally hectic and believable situation for the war. I had originally been planning to RP a moderately powerful, somewhat stable, and very hegemonic India when I claimed it, but it seems that you've easily steered me towards wanting to craft a more dire and dystopian setting for my nation.


If nukes are used, expect Iranian intervention. I've set up Iran to be some sort of apologist power that, after overthrowing the Ayatollah in what essentially was Bay of Pigs 2: It Actually Worked This Time!, the reinstated Shah is trying to stop all this instability and place Iran on the world stage as a "good guy" who goes in to wartorn countries and helps, mostly to make up for the Ayatollah's decades of dickery. They have troops in Turkmenistan that did a highly publicized government-building campaign in 2038, and I'm doing troops into Iran now. It's realistic that peacekeepers would be in Pakistan and India to help, especially if it's been nuked. Reconstruction, aid, decontamination, etc. Iran was neutral during the war (too focused on its internal issues like a growing revolt against the new hardliner Ayatollah who basically killed all the moderate policies set in motion by Hassan Rouhani during the previous Ayatollah Ali Khamenei reign) and it's had a pretty strong, self-sustaining economy (that you can see them building right now) because of the sanctions that cut it off from the world - this removed a globalization aspect that would have crippled it otherwise. This creates the situation where Iran is a strong regional power with a mindset to curry favor with its neighbors, bring in a new era that's distinct from Islamic Iran's hostility, and repair instability that could threaten it.

TL;DR: Expect Iran to be in your shit.
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And it's finished! Longer than I expected but whatever. Also, now that I'm thinking about it, I don't really mind if Boerd invades the Shetlands/Orkney. I'd rather not have him have it from the start, though.

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If nukes are used, expect Iranian intervention. I've set up Iran to be some sort of apologist power that, after overthrowing the Ayatollah in what essentially was , the reinstated Shah is trying to stop all this instability and place Iran on the world stage as a "good guy" who goes in to wartorn countries and helps, mostly to make up for the Ayatollah's decades of dickery. They have troops in Turkmenistan that did a highly publicized government-building campaign in 2038, and I'm doing troops into Iran now. It's realistic that peacekeepers would be in Pakistan and India to help, especially if it's been nuked. Reconstruction, aid, decontamination, etc. Iran was neutral during the war (too focused on its internal issues like a growing revolt against the new hardliner Ayatollah who basically killed all the moderate policies set in motion by Hassan Rouhani during the previous Ayatollah Ali Khamenei reign) and it's had a pretty strong, self-sustaining economy (that you can see them building right now) because of the sanctions that cut it off from the world - this removed a globalization aspect that would have crippled it otherwise. This creates the situation where Iran is a strong regional power with a mindset to curry favor with its neighbors, bring in a new era that's distinct from Islamic Iran's hostility, and repair instability that could threaten it.TL;DR: Expect Iran to be in your shit.

Humanitarian aid from the Iranians would certainly be welcomed in India. Assuming Iran doesn't try to involve itself in India in any way other than pure aid and assistance, I'm sure you'd certainly be laying the foundation for friendship and future cooperation. You might also be able to call up a few favors in India as a result of the aid. Anyway, despite the growing resentment of Islam among the Hindu Indians and Hindu nationalist government, I could see help from Iran being welcomed and appreciated.

Also, I plan to have made Pakistan largely desolate in the course of the war due to an arguably unnecessarily severe reaction to a Pakistani nuclear strike. Pakistan at this point may be likened to what Central America is to be in this RP, in that it's mostly lawless and in ruins, but with the kicker of residual radiation and nuclear fallout. India has taken the disputed regions in Kahmir (a bit more than the disputed territory, really) despite fact that it's blanketed in fallout and utterly war-torn, but besides that has made no effort to restore Pakistan or help stabilize/rebuild the region. With the Taliban and other rebel groups controlling the largely stateless region which was once Pakistan, this could be a golden opportunity for your Iran to step in and restore order. Hell, make a puppet if you want, India's just about sick with dealing with Pakistan, considering the destruction the whole situation brought about.

Oh yes, and the nuclear fallout from the exchange between India and Pakistan would have affected most of South Asia to some extent. So sorry about that, but Iran might have some mild to moderate fallout issues.
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Accepted Chapa but who the hell is the NAC, I'm assuming you mean the North American Federation but thats not the intials.
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Oh I meant NAF.

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The Argies got their hands on the Falklands?!
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The Argies got their hands on the Falklands?!


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We can't accurately project economic patterns into the future very well here, given the advent of technologies like 3d printing that have the power to cause great shifts in the economic stability of any nation. You got a rising unemployed sector as high-skilled, college-supported jobs turn more and more competitive as the factors turn over to increasingly automated manufacturing processes. And all the sudden, we're probably looking at a situation where a single factory opening in a small town won't nearly have the same economic impact as it once did, they'd be a smaller employer.And for the sake of having a Third World War we'd probably have to keep it. With the European Union gone - or potentially long gone by war's beginning - there'd need to be a reason to explore the break down of the Eurozone economy.I also don't think Boerd's been accepted. I know I have disagreements with his nation and raised the ones over the Shetland and Orkney islands. But Duck's never said anything official.


Why does the German invasion have to be there for the sake of exploring a Eurozone breakdown or for the sake of a third world war? There could be plenty of reasons for a third world war aside from a German invasion, and plenty of reasons to explore a breakdown of the Eurozone, not to mention Poland and the UK leaving the EU, a breakdown of the Chinese government, Russian aggression towards Europe, etc.
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I think there should just be the start of WW3 due to the Germans invading, just to keep the streak going.

Just to be biased and racist and all.
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Why does the German invasion have to be there for the sake of exploring a Eurozone breakdown or for the sake of a third world war? There could be plenty of reasons for a third world war aside from a German invasion, and plenty of reasons to explore a breakdown of the Eurozone, not to mention Poland and the UK leaving the EU, a breakdown of the Chinese government, Russian aggression towards Europe, etc.


Because as it stands Russian involvement in the war was far too isolated and never really poured into something greater, or has been written into. German Aggression involves a wider number of parties that creates a stronger column to give the story some merit.

And Russian aggression isn't exactly something they haven't been doing and there's been little involvement from any one for the most part. If anything, as shit destabilizes in Europe there'd be too many distractions to raise fuss from the European powers as Russia re-absorbs some of its former Imperial provinces (which should also include a large part of Poland actually). Georgia doesn't really have any allies apart from Armenia and the Turks would be the most relevant since they're in the neighborhood. And a collapse of NATO and the European Union would certainly rationalize a weak response to Russia, if there isn't one retconned in.
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Because as it stands Russian involvement in the war was far too isolated and never really poured into something greater, or has been written into. German Aggression involves a wider number of parties that creates a stronger column to give the story some merit.And Russian aggression isn't exactly something they haven't been doing and there's been little involvement from any one for the most part. If anything, as shit destabilizes in Europe there'd be too many distractions to raise fuss from the European powers as Russia re-absorbs some of its former Imperial provinces (which should also include a large part of Poland actually). Georgia doesn't really have any allies apart from Armenia and the Turks would be the most relevant since they're in the neighborhood. And a collapse of NATO and the European Union would certainly rationalize a weak response to Russia, if there isn't one retconned in.


Why does does WWIII -have- to revolve around Poland, though? Sure, it seems like Russia's aggression never really escalated to that point, but aren't there still plenty of problems that could cause a third world war? Dwindling fossil-fuel supplies, eastern Asia, etc. I don't see why an invasion of Poland -has- to be the catalyst for a third world war, and why a German invasion has to succeed if it does happen.
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Why does does WWIII -have- to revolve around Poland, though? Sure, it seems like Russia's aggression never really escalated to that point, but aren't there still plenty of problems that could cause a third world war? Dwindling fossil-fuel supplies, eastern Asia, etc. I don't see why an invasion of Poland -has- to be the catalyst for a third world war, and why a German invasion has to succeed if it does happen.


It's not a catalyst. It's an event.
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Why does does WWIII -have- to revolve around Poland, though? Sure, it seems like Russia's aggression never really escalated to that point, but aren't there still plenty of problems that could cause a third world war? Dwindling fossil-fuel supplies, eastern Asia, etc. I don't see why an invasion of Poland -has- to be the catalyst for a third world war, and why a German invasion has to succeed if it does happen.


Everyone wants a piece of Poland, didn't you know that?
Didn't you know that?
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It's not a catalyst. It's an event.

You didn't answer my question. Why does an invasion of Poland have to cause the third world war?
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Jeddaven said
You didn't answer my question. Why does an invasion of Poland have to cause the third world war?


Everybody wants a piece of Poland.
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You didn't answer my question. Why does an invasion of Poland have to cause the third world war?


Because we need a major event, and it's as good as any.
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I will let Jeddaven dictate whether or not it happened. We can come up with a bit more solid of a cannon later.
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