[OOC] Naruto: Of Compassion and Tyranny

[Yog Sothoth]

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[SoleAccord]

Not necessary but alright.

[Yog Sothoth]

jokes aside, even without the EMS an Uchiha that is the host of the Nine Tails would still be incredibly powerful since not only would they have the sharingan which gives them great perception abilities, they would also have the Nine Tails incredible amounts of chakra and would be crazy strong.

[Masaki Haruna]

Oh yeah, bring in Senju DNA to the mix, it gets ugly.
Look at what Senju DNA did for Obito... *to manga readers*

[Savato]

Senju DNA would be a nice boost but a Bijuu is a thousand times more effective. o;

[chukklehed]

You guys aren't realizing that a Jinchuriki with Uchiha blood would only be about half as strong as the sum of it's parts, because BOTH controling the Tail Beast and the Sharingan take massive amounts of training and practice. They would need to spend at least twice the amount of time training, more because I don't think the two powers are quite compatible (From what I can tell the Kyubi hates Uchihas)

[SoleAccord]

Pierce's template is actually fairly balanced, everyone's just scared of her potential ...which is kind of the point really. Where she's at now is nowhere near where she could be in the future, but this isn't the future, and even with all his perks he's still a lot easier to deal with than some other characters...

[Yog Sothoth]

chukklehed said
You guys aren't realizing that a Jinchuriki with Uchiha blood would only be about half as strong as the sum of it's parts, because BOTH controling the Tail Beast and the Sharingan take massive amounts of training and practice. They would need to spend at least twice the amount of time training, more because I don't think the two powers are quite compatible (From what I can tell the Kyubi hates Uchihas)

Uchihas are legendary for pulling off the extremely difficult task, i have no doubt that one would be able to master both the sharingan and the nine tails.

[Savato]

chukklehed said
You guys aren't realizing that a Jinchuriki with Uchiha blood would only be about half as strong as the sum of it's parts, because BOTH controling the Tail Beast and the Sharingan take massive amounts of training and practice. They would need to spend at least twice the amount of time training, more because I don't think the two powers are quite compatible (From what I can tell the Kyubi hates Uchihas)

Obito did have complete control over Kyuubi in very little time after having senju DNA. And one doesn't require senju DNA to control de tailed beasts anyway. Madara was a plain EMS user. Now imagine how much easier it would be if the Uchiha is a Jinch.

SoleAccord said
Pierce's template is actually fairly balanced, everyone's just scared of her potential ...which is kind of the point really. Where she's at now is nowhere near where she could be in the future, but this isn't the future, and even with all his perks he's still a lot easier to deal with than some other characters...

It is balanced. Though the potential is high, I don't think this character will be ALLOWED to die before it actually reaches this unstoppable stage. I mean, in all fairness, if a Ra or a Yakoul went off to bully rebel chuunins, it would just be a mess.

[Yog Sothoth]

I added some more to the Turimora clan's history and now they have a history with the Uchiha.

[SoleAccord]

Probably should've mentioned that Kiri was reforming and the 'Bloody Mist' was attempted to be buried, which would've meant your clan wouldn't have been free to do your practices since the Mizukage in this world was a good man ...ah well. Also trying to elevate yourself up to Uchiha level I see.

EDIT - I gave your template another look, you MAY need to change something minor but I'll need to run it by Pierce to see if he'll agree.

[Yog Sothoth]

SoleAccord said
Probably should've mentioned that Kiri was reforming and the 'Bloody Mist' was attempted to be buried, which would've meant your clan wouldn't have been free to do your practices since the Mizukage in this world was a good man ...ah well. Also trying to elevate yourself up to Uchiha level I see.EDIT - I gave your template another look, you MAY need to change something minor but I'll need to run it by Pierce to see if he'll agree.

well I was trying to just bring some diversity to clan personalities, I mean should all the clans be good nature? that wouldn't sound very fun.

[SoleAccord]

Yog Sothoth said
well I was trying to just bring some diversity to clan personalities, I mean should all the clans be good nature? that wouldn't sound very fun.

Not exactly my beef. I mean look at Kimimaro's clan ...they were crazyyyyyy.

[Yog Sothoth]

What is your beef? I might be able to explain

[SoleAccord]

Yog Sothoth said
What is your beef? I might be able to explain

There is a strong, strong difference between making a clan strong and making a clan seem strong. Within the canon Senju and Uchiha were always the top-tier, always against each other. If one side hired Senju, the other side hired Uchiha because the results were always that close. No other clan was able to compare to them back in the day. Now I'm all for creativity and exercising the freedom to express your own unique ideas in what is meant to be an enjoyable environment for everyone, but I just do not understand why with the mention of Natsumi's potential you suddenly felt it necessary to put yourself on the level of Uchiha clan wise when they had only one equal. You're not the first person I've seen try to measure self-importance through clan greatness and use the deeds of the past to lift your character up into what you want to be considered 'threatening'.

I've read a lot of templates. Everyone wants to be important. Everyone wants to be fast. Everyone wants to be noteworthy for something. I understand that need entirely. But I just do not think the deep roots of clan history need to be reworked so you feel like your character is worth more by comparing it to another clan of a more fearsome status. I understand why you're doing it, but I don't think you have to do this, and I wish you didn't do it, but if it's what you feel you need to do to bolster yourself to others, then it has to be that way I guess. I just talked to Sketch about this same issue and, Sketch I hope you're not mad I bring this up, he used his story not to present his character some sort of inner turmoil or something he had to cope with for the rest of his life, but he did it for a pursuit of power. He did it for a Mangekyou Sharingan entryway. Naruto roleplayers seem to have this deep, dark need to put power over characterization. Status over uniqueness. And I'm just telling everyone, not just you, that it doesn't have to always be this way.

So I need to ask: Why was measuring your clan up to Uchiha status really necessary when your history beforehand was perfectly fine? And why was it only after we went over Natsumi's potential that you have done it? I think it might be because of exactly what I said above, but I can't speak for you, you're the only one who can do that.

I'm not asking you to edit it (Pierce and I need to decide how important ones history is really worth to our immersion. I chewed someone else out for a history I didn't find sensible either. You know the one) but I'm asking you to be honest with me about this.

[Tuujaimaa]

@Savato: I believe you are referring to GAGK. I can't remember what he changed his name to, though.

I also believe that it's difficult for people with a Kekkei Genkai to become a Jinchuuriki? I'm not sure if that's canon or something I've just picked up somewhere, but I vaguely remember them being less compatible.

[Savato]

Thanks Tuuj, that's him yeah. I remember many people not taking him seriously and having that same opinion.

I don't remember seeing that in canon. Though if it's a sharingan user, can't they just manipulate the beast into being their bitch whenever they want?

[Tuujaimaa]

Yeah, the Uchiha just bullshit their way through everything, haha. :P

Idk. I'm not sure where I got that idea from. o_o

[Savato]

It may have been a widespread belief in the roleplays in order to limit the powers of some people and prevent them from gaining too much.

It could also be that Kurama hated the Uchiha due to Madara's manipulation technique as well as Obito's, making people think it would be the same for every other KG.

[Yog Sothoth]

SoleAccord said
There is a strong, strong difference between making a clan strong and making a clan seem strong. Within the canon Senju and Uchiha were always the top-tier, always against each other. If one side hired Senju, the other side hired Uchiha because the results were always that close. No other clan was able to compare to them back in the day. Now I'm all for creativity and exercising the freedom to express your own unique ideas in what is meant to be an enjoyable environment for everyone, but I just do not understand why with the mention of Natsumi's potential you suddenly felt it necessary to put yourself on the level of Uchiha clan wise when they had only one equal. You're not the first person I've seen try to measure self-importance through clan greatness and use the deeds of the past to lift your character up into what you want to be considered 'threatening'. I've read a lot of templates. Everyone wants to be important. Everyone wants to be fast. Everyone wants to be noteworthy for something. I understand that need entirely. But I just do not think the deep roots of clan history need to be reworked so you feel like your character is worth more by comparing it to another clan of a more fearsome status. I understand why you're doing it, but I don't think you have to do this, and I wish you didn't do it, but if it's what you feel you need to do to bolster yourself to others, then it has to be that way I guess. I just talked to Sketch about this same issue and, Sketch I hope you're not mad I bring this up, he used his story not to present his character some sort of inner turmoil or something he had to cope with for the rest of his life, but he did it for a pursuit of power. He did it for a Mangekyou Sharingan entryway. Naruto roleplayers seem to have this deep, dark need to put power over characterization. Status over uniqueness. And I'm just telling everyone, not just you, that it doesn't have to always be this way.So I need to ask: Why was measuring your clan up to Uchiha status really necessary when your history beforehand was perfectly fine? And why was it only after we went over Natsumi's potential that you have done it? I think it might be because of exactly what I said above, but I can't speak for you, you're the only one who can do that.I'm not asking you to edit it (Pierce and I need to decide how important ones history is really worth to our immersion. I chewed someone else out for a history I didn't find sensible either. You know the one) but I'm asking you to be honest with me about this.

When it said that they rivaled the Uchiha, it was a very long time ago and the thirteenth leader was like the Madara of the clan. Today, the Turimora clan is not as strong as it use to be and they don't have to be as strong to be rivals with a clan, Naruto considered himself Sasuke's rival even though Sasuke was more powerful in the beginning of the show. I will refer to Oswald Spengler's civilization model, the Turimora had a golden age and it is long since gone, they are not weak but they aren't at their peak. I am being realistic with how societies can rise and fall over the course of centuries. The Uchiha also had grown weaker since they were all killed off, leaving only the strongest of them to survive. Like with the Uchiha, not every member of the Turimora are top class ninja and some are not that strong. My purpose was to give them an interesting history and make them be rivals with a top clan. Izari is strong but he is no where near the same level of power as the Thirteenth Leader.

Also the OP didn't specify what time period the empire took over and the Turimora joined the Mist Village over a century before Izari was born so it could still have the Bloody Mist. I just think that since this rp is an AU then we can bend somethings, like the Senju and the Uchiha being best of the best.