Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

[mickilennial]

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Lordy lord. Just how I feel and how I see them being used often poorly and by people who aren't particularly intelligent themselves. Usually CS's should suffice as the sample itself. Seriously, why wouldn't it? You don't need to take it as an argument, or call it a fallacy...it's not a political debate. Trying too hard. Not everything is debate worthy. It's called an opinion, in a 'bitchfest' thread. Lighten up. One person's opinion isn't automatically worth "elevating" yourself over their "elevated" thought on a particular subject.

If you use them, in spite of people having perfectly solid CS's AND a back catalog you could check yourself if not unbelievably lazy. Fine, it's just my belief. Coming from no fallacy, but constant personal experience in people who asked for it. I'm bitching about my personal annoyances. >.> I didn't think I had to clarify that since that's the thread's entire point.

Sorry, for biting back. Just seems hypocritical to take somebody's personal view/generalization, and make it a personal thing like it's some sort of attack on you.

If you think they're awesome, fantastic. Isn't any less right or wrong than my opinion. Still stands that I would never bother doing sample writing ever again. From my experience, that's how they all were. <.<

Going with the flow and roleplaying, ya know the best part of it. Is less likely to be the case if you have to take a test beforehand. So yes, again in my opinion. Forcing players to write a CS AND a sample post. (especially if not new/lacking in a back catalog.) Shows that person will likely NOT be able to handle something going wrong or a little different than they're expecting. Because that person is displaying controlling tendencies right off the bat. So it's not just some random insult, it's a preview of the GM's behavior. <.<

@SleepingSilence

People are going to comment on things you say in an open forum, it is best to understand that. Especially when you imply those who utilize certain styles or have certain expectations are lazy, pretentious, or unintelligent. If you want an echo chamber this thread does not provide that – in fact, it never has. Additionally there is nothing hypocritical about criticizing someone’s word choice or views in a thread that is an open discussion about issues ongoing with role-playing as a hobby and medium. In fact, I have often been criticized in similar fashion but instead of having an upsetting response I responded to the other party like their points had validity as with any other discussion.

Your assertion of applications shouldn’t be tests is good and all, but there are certain parameters people look for and generalizing those people as unintelligent, pretentious, or whatever else you are getting at is rather flimsy of a point. Anyway in my [seventeen plus] years of experience, a sample post accompanying a basic character sheet does not imply “not being able to handle something going wrong or different than they’re expecting”. GMs are inherently in control, they are directors and scene setters – they create the sandbox and direct the plot. If you have control issues as a player you are better off writing your own material with the absence of what we call a director because in every character or plot-driven story there is going to be that controlled direction and expectations per their project. It’s rather absurd to think otherwise.

Also, I never called your opinion “wrong”, I said it was insulting [and generalizing] with a weak fundamental argument. Based on your reply it does nothing to suggest I am incorrect in this assertion. On a final note, it would probably be more rational to understand why your argumentation is seen as it is rather than just having an emotional upset.

[ArenaSnow]

Oh, while I'm at it. Sample writing is just about the most pointless thing on the face of the earth. (Especially, if they aren't new and already have previous posts.) Please never actually do this if you're running a campaign, you will look pretentious. Nor should you bother writing one if somebody asks you too. You're RPing to have fun. You don't/shouldn't need to write a goddamn resume.

Plus, even if you do. (like an idiot.) You'll just get some jackass to tell you after 3 weeks longer than it should of. "That your 'grammer' is off."

@SleepingSilence

A sample's relevance lies in the fundamental difference between writing and roleplaying.

Creating a character sheet is largely an act of writing, to be specific, informative writing. It is creating data, and data typically does not need much ingenuity in its presentation (speaking very generally). People can easily create long drawn sheets, even sheets of BS, that simply present information. It's you doing the presentation.

Roleplaying is a specific subset, a form of creative writing, that is dynamic. While a sample does not cover the part where a roleplayer reacts to another action, it does show people how you present your character in practice. A character sheet is theoretical about your character; the sample is literally your character. You can say, with the sample, this is how the character operates. And you can do that without writing a big wall of text about someone's backstory that may or may not ever become relevant in-character.

Going with the flow and roleplaying, ya know the best part of it. Is less likely to be the case if you have to take a test beforehand. So yes, again in my opinion. Forcing players to write a CS AND a sample post. (especially if not new/lacking in a back catalog.) Shows that person will likely NOT be able to handle something going wrong or a little different than they're expecting. Because that person is displaying controlling tendencies right off the bat. So it's not just some random insult, it's a preview of the GM's behavior. <.<

@SleepingSilence

What is a character sheet, exactly?

Character sheets can be considered "forced" all by themselves. There are character sheets that go over stuff like pets and topics that, again, may never become relevant in a roleplaying context. A CS is a static infodump unless you're one of the folks who edits your CS to accommodate character growth every 5 IC posts.

A sample gives you the opportunity to present your character as your character will be presented when the roleplay starts. Something that is more useful to a GM trying to do basic quality control than writing about the rise of your legend and your childhood when neither is likely to become relevant in the roleplay itself. Having both can serve two purposes, neither of which I would consider "controlling tendencies". Firstly, they can prove that someone gives enough of a shit to sit down and write something, a basic check many people fail off the bat. It's not perfect, but it does help weed some of the fluff. Secondly, it allows the GM to see a fleshed out character from the perspective of raw information and the perspective of the information given practical purpose.

[SleepingSilence]

@Inkarnate Sure, I could of clarified/specified my comment of pretentious. I could of been so damn literal, that someone would have still taken issue with it. Because who am I kidding with this place. But my defense would be even stronger against that person...

But not only did I provide an example of what happened giving what I said context. Aka. A guy who made me wait 3 weeks after I applied for something just to send me a one sentence reply misspelling grammar. If that isn't the type of person that screams pretentious/unintelligent. I don't know what does. And you replied to me, in such a defensive way. You could of easily disagreed with me, without trying to make it sound like I was somehow saying it to be offensive. I wasn't "attempting to insult every human on earth." That's attributing motive and intent. I was sharing an opinion on how it will come of to me from my own personal experience.

Again, it's personal experience. The generalization is not for everyone. It's for everyone I've SEEN use them. There is a difference between those two things. :I

So, what I -think- you're arguing is that you think it's absurd that anything go beyond the prescribed plot that you've already laid out in your head, as the GM. Well aside from that being horribly ineffective in D&D. It tends to not really work in RP's either. Because for starters, most GM are secretive about their plot and never tell people anything. (usually because they haven't thought that far out.) And how exactly do you expect them to follow a plot with perfection, if even you don't actually know the plot quite yet. (And because it feels like I have to explain it, you doesn't mean only you.) I think GM's that don't give people at least, a little leeway, won't be particularly fun to roleplay with. But it's just personal taste.

So, for the test post, what do you say against someone actually putting plenty of effort into the "test" because they know they have to. But will not provide the same results from now on. Do you think that doesn't happen?

On a final note, it would probably be more rational to understand why your argumentation is seen as it is rather than just having an emotional upset.

@Inkarnate

Here's a final note from me, everyone tends to make mistakes in their writing. That's why all writers have first drafts. Plus it seems like a lot of advanced section users and in general do not spellcheck their own work. So, stuff like that would really make me raise an eyebrow if these same people were forcing to give me tests that I will assume, if flawed in anyway. I won't be accepted because that's the post they will look at. So unless the person dishing out tests, is also read/correcting every post in their RP. It feels like it was just a waste of time, for the person involved. I mean do you correct every mistake you see? I know plenty of people get offended really fucking easily, so does that worry your image and how you're perceived? So when you're bound to make a mistake....like that sentence.

People will point that out to you and question, why they weren't allowed in the group because of mistakes in their "test" writing. That person will not only feel like they wasted their time writing a CS, possibly having to edit their CS's multiple times. But do a piece of writing, possibly several thousand words long. Get booted for having three or four spelling and grammar errors. Then watch the RP have mistakes, but nothing done about it. THEN the person giving them that test, also making mistakes and nothing getting done about it. Maybe (or on this forum nearly assuredly) die within 2 weeks. Which will make that person wonder, what was even the point?

But yes, I understand that you feel like I called you and others you may know 'pretentious', I reacted defensively to match intensity. Because I didn't. But I still disagree that tests don't lead to complications and aren't particularly fun for anyone involved and often are pointless...Making a failed CS that isn't accepted, change it a little and maybe someone else will like them. Fail to make a test writing? Congratz you wasted your time.

For the GM, I feel like if you can't figure out if they can write if they have ten paragraphs of backstory. And you still need them to write another thousand words? I suppose nothing wrong with being thorough. But I ask when does that thoroughness end? Will you accurately correct yourself and others, so you live up the exceptions that the test forced to lay out? Possibly coming off in a negative way. Or was that all that there is? "Who cares if I mistype something or the friend I invited misspells a word on our collab. I'm the GM. I'm better than everyone else, it's my story, so there!"

I'm not exaggerating that the 2nd half of the sentence, is a real sentence a GM has actually typed before during an argument. So I apologize for coming off strongly (and possibly making you emotionally react) and maybe it's just me, but my experience isn't as flawless, as it seems to be for others or you. I don't think it's crazy that roleplays, no matter (how focused or often unfocused), will be perfectly linear with no possible different direction than I'm expecting. I've also not had any person keep up the facade that they demand perfection while also seeming like the type of person I'd willingly ever spend time with. <.<

[mickilennial]

If you do not like tests, perhaps you should write in sections that do not have any applications. No character sheets, no sample posts, nothing. Good luck with that.

[The Elvenqueen]

Here's a final note from me, everyone tends to make mistakes in their writing. That's why all writers have first drafts. Plus it seems like a lot of advanced section users and in general do not spellcheck their own work. So, stuff like that would really make me raise an eyebrow if these same people were forcing to give me tests that I will assume, if flawed in anyway. I won't be accepted because that's the post they will look at. So unless the person dishing out tests, is also read/correcting every post in their RP. It feels like it was just a waste of time, for the person involved. I mean do you correct every mistake you see? I know plenty of people get offended really fucking easily, so does that worry your image and how you're perceived? So when your bound to make a mistake....like that sentence.

But yes, I understand that you feel like I called you and others you may know 'pretentious', I reacted defensively to match intensity. Because I didn't. But I still disagree that tests don't lead to complications and aren't particularly fun for anyone involved and often are pointless...Making a failed CS that isn't accepted, change it a little and maybe someone else will like them. Fail to make a test writing? Congratz you wasted your time.

@SleepingSilence

I was gonna stay out of this since it feels a bit like arguing with a brick wall here but I feel like I have a couple of things to say on this section specifically. (I honestly struggled to understand what you were saying for some of it, but this is what I did understand and take from it)

Where, anywhere was it mentioned by any of us who were talking about samples that said sample posts had to be novel-perfect writing? Nowhere.
Sure, good grammar is great and it helps people to understand you better but not everybody is perfect. People write posts while they're tired, they miss mistakes and post them and don't realise it till the day after. People write posts on their phones and miss autocorrect fails that they didn't see the first time (and believe me, I have had it happen to me from both sides, where autocorrect has made such a glorious fuck up that I've had to ask a partner what the heck it was supposed to mean (and had partners ask me the same) because it was just that bad that it couldn't be figured out alone XD

(Using "you" as in the general/"royal" you here, BTW. So if you're going to choose to get offended by it then that's on you.)
Sample posts give an example of your writing as is, as you would write IC, rather than your ability to just regurgitate text into a flowery/purple prosey 3-page long CS that really isn't always necessary for the actual plot of the RP. I, personally, as a partner, player and a GM (although I tend to stick to 1x1 mostly nowadays since I don't have the time to manage a group) much prefer either a short CS that covers the basics to give people a feel for the character, or literally to give just the most basic information on a character like their name, age, gender and a brief appearance/personality traits and then let the rest be revealed ad lib in the IC, and maybe create more detailed sheets later should it feel necessary for information management I don't care how fancy a CS is. I care about how your writing style "feels" to read and how well you portray the character you set out to play.
I don't care about grammar mistakes (within reason. If I can't understand a single word typed then yes there will be an issue there), a few mistakes or minor issues with grammar are not grounds for me to not to accept somebody for a role play request, what I am interested in is whether they can portray a character that is interesting, fun, and believable for the setting of the RP.

As for "if you can't figure out if they can write if they present you with ten paragraphs of backstory", they could be ten paragraphs of complete garbage that doesn't actually make sense. As said before by many people, quantity=/=quality. I would much rather have a short thousand words post that really shows the person can portray the character in the roleplay's timeline than ten paragraphs of purple prose and repeated points.

EDIT: case in point, I just had to correct a few autocorrect fails in this very post..does that make me a bad RPer or a bad writer? Absolutely not. Nobody was implying that, ever.

[Ammokkx]

I would much rather have a short thousand words post that really shows the person can portray the character in the roleplay's timeline than ten paragraphs of purple prose and repeated points.

@The Elvenqueen

That entire post was only about 500 words, so doubling that up isn't exactly what I would call 'short' =P

[mickilennial]

Elvenqueen also forget to hit the enter button on a few paragraphs.

[SleepingSilence]

@ArenaSnow I again, have 5 people, clearly all involved with one another, trying to all repeat the same points. Instead of letting a conversation not feel like I'm getting dog-piled. I really do feel like I'm discussing politics.

So I think all four paragraphs of that can be boiled down to, "A CS isn't good enough to show their writing abilities and a thousand word sample post will somehow show how good a roleplayer that person is." So I ask, why if someone wrote ten paragraphs of backstory for their character. And it was written perfectly fine. That another thousand, will somehow make the difference?

I don't really think it will. I agree that CS's aren't perfect and often seem forced and flaw in their own ways. 100%. Though a sample post, likely the only post the GM or they will ever care enough to make sure has no mistakes. It still doesn't show if that person will remain active, or will be able to read other posts effectively. Or interact, or not have a shit fit if something goes different than they expect. Or improvising skills. Etc. etc.

Do you think it's still necessary to ask for a sample post, if they already have a back catalog? I'm asking a lot of questions here, but every single one of them, thus far has been completely bypassed. :I

[mickilennial]

Do you think it's still necessary to ask for a sample post, if they already have a back catalog?

@SleepingSilence

Not really? In my superhero sandbox games I typically ask for a sample post or a list of references [links to previous posts], the player can choose either.

[Ammokkx]

@ArenaSnow I again, have 5 people, clearly all involved with one another, trying to all repeat the same points. Instead of letting a conversation not feel like I'm getting dog-piled. I really do feel like I'm discussing politics.

@SleepingSilence

Everyone isn't making the same few points, I can spot at least one unique argument in all of their posts.

[SleepingSilence]

If you do not like tests, perhaps you should write in sections that do not have any applications. No character sheets, no sample posts, nothing. Good luck with that.

@Inkarnate

If you're going to reply with the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears. At least mention me, so I'd be able to see it and know it's mine. The way people post of this forum, where they act extremely passive aggressive but just post "under" that person, instead of actually mentioning them correctly. Is slowly becoming a pet peeve. I asked you questions, it be nice since you engaged me to answer them...

Why do I have to apologize for making you feel like I called you something that I didn't, if it's okay to still just make vague assertions like "Oh, well you can't take tests! HA! Good luck in the real world. Nerd." And completely ignoring my examples and context.

Would if not piss you off if you waited 3 weeks for something that was suppose to take a day for an asshole to criticize you're writing, only to barely put effort in and fuck up their own limited effort? No sympathy whatsoever? Is that implying you think that was a justified response? Because you're not saying it's a bad thing...

And yes, if you constantly make mistakes in writing. What gives you the right to tell people, that their own writing isn't good enough to make it in the RP? (not directed toward you specifically. But that's a question I'd like answered.) And if it is "Well, because I'm the GM, so there" how is that not pretentious? I'm seriously asking this...

[SleepingSilence]

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That entire post was only about 500 words, so doubling that up isn't exactly what I would call 'short' =P

@Ammokkx

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Everyone isn't making the same few points, I can spot at least one unique argument in all of their posts.

@Ammokkx

I feel like this is only proving my point a bit with feeling like I'm getting dog-piled. :I

I'm not trying to make this a us vs them thing. But it's surely coming off as that's what my opposition is doing.
Not that this should be an argument in the first place. It's just an opinion for god sake.

[Ammokkx]

That entire post was only about 500 words, so doubling that up isn't exactly what I would call 'short' =P

Everyone isn't making the same few points, I can spot at least one unique argument in all of their posts.

@Ammokkx

I feel like this is only proving my point a bit with feeling like I'm getting dog-piled. :I

I'm not trying to make this a us vs them thing. But it's surely coming off as that's what my opposition is doing.
Not that this should be an argument in the first place. It's just an opinion for god sake.

@SleepingSilence

The first was a joke and the second was a self-demonstrating argument as well as an objective one.

I'm the wrong person to be replying to, friendo.

[mickilennial]

If you're going to reply with the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears. At least mention me, so I'd be able to see it and know it's mine. The way people post of this forum, where they act extremely passive aggressive but just post "under" that person, instead of actually mentioning them correctly. Is slowly becoming a pet peeve.

@SleepingSilence

Wasn’t necessary. Go ahead and have your pet peeve, I’m not always going to use quotes. You do you, fam.

I asked you questions, it be nice since you engaged me to answer them...

@SleepingSilence

Maybe if they were relative to my point I would have. But they did not, so I decided not to.

Why do I have to apologize for making you feel like I called you something that I didn't,

@SleepingSilence

You do not have to apologize, but simply be aware why several people of different backgrounds had a problem with your statement. Perhaps be more self-aware then "defensive" and you would have more mileage on peer discussions.

Would if not piss you off if you waited 3 weeks for something that was suppose to take a day for an asshole to criticize you're writing, only to barely put effort in and fuck up their own limited effort? No sympathy whatsoever?

@SleepingSilence

If it took three weeks to iterate a response about my writing then it is clear that the GM didn’t think I was compatible with what they were looking for in their group. That’s fine. No problems with that.

I feel like this is only proving my point a bit with feeling like I'm getting dog-piled. :I

@SleepingSilence

Just because more than one person disagrees with you does not mean its mob mentality brought upon by tribalism. Again, think about your words and why people don't like them instead of emotionally defending yourself. Think. This is my last reply on the issue and I am honestly bored of this rhetoric. Stop playing the victim.

[SleepingSilence]

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I was gonna stay out of this since it feels a bit like arguing with a brick wall here but I feel like I have a couple of things to say on this section specifically. (I honestly struggled to understand what you were saying for some of it, but this is what I did understand and take from it)

Where, anywhere was it mentioned by any of us who were talking about samples that said sample posts had to be novel-perfect writing? Nowhere.
Sure, good grammar is great and it helps people to understand you better but not everybody is perfect. People write posts while they're tired, they miss mistakes and post them and don't realise it till the day after. People write posts on their phones and miss autocorrect fails that they didn't see the first time (and believe me, I have had it happen to me from both sides, where autocorrect has made such a glorious fuck up that I've had to ask a partner what the heck it was supposed to mean (and had partners ask me the same) because it was just that bad that it couldn't be figured out alone XD

(Using "you" as in the general/"royal" you here, BTW. So if you're going to choose to get offended by it then that's on you.)
Sample posts give an example of your writing as is, as you would write IC, rather than your ability to just regurgitate text into a flowery/purple prosey 3-page long CS that really isn't always necessary for the actual plot of the RP. I, personally, as a partner, player and a GM (although I tend to stick to 1x1 mostly nowadays since I don't have the time to manage a group) much prefer either a short CS that covers the basics to give people a feel for the character, or literally to give just the most basic information on a character like their name, age, gender and a brief appearance/personality traits and then let the rest be revealed ad lib in the IC, and maybe create more detailed sheets later should it feel necessary for information management I don't care how fancy a CS is. I care about how your writing style "feels" to read and how well you portray the character you set out to play.
I don't care about grammar mistakes (within reason. If I can't understand a single word typed then yes there will be an issue there), a few mistakes or minor issues with grammar are not grounds for me to not to accept somebody for a role play request, what I am interested in is whether they can portray a character that is interesting, fun, and believable for the setting of the RP.

As for "if you can't figure out if they can write if they present you with ten paragraphs of backstory", they could be ten paragraphs of complete garbage that doesn't actually make sense. As said before by many people, quantity=/=quality. I would much rather have a short thousand words post that really shows the person can portray the character in the roleplay's timeline than ten paragraphs of purple prose and repeated points.

EDIT: case in point, I just had to correct a few autocorrect fails in this very post..does that make me a bad RPer or a bad writer? Absolutely not. Nobody was implying that, ever.

@The Elvenqueen

I wasn't arguing, I made an opinion that someone took personally, wrongfully asserted was an attack instead of how I view it. And now 8 people are telling me how my opinion is wrong and their's is right. With seemingly no self awareness to be seen. It shouldn't feel like a brick wall, when there's no reason to debate in the first place. It's simply two different viewpoints on how they've experienced sample posting in their roleplaying.

I wasn't arguing that anyone or you were making that statement, I argued I've dealt with people that have done just that. <.<

And what's the point of a test, if there is no failing that test? How many mistakes will it take before you'd not accept someone's writing? If it's so lax that a 3rd grader could probably pass fine, then why even waste your time and the players? My concern is people only will try on that test, and nowhere else. Making it pointless, in my eye. You clearly didn't understand it, because it's putting more blind assumptions on the table.

This (clearly quickly thrown out) entire statement is reaching to a conclusion, I wasn't making. It's a touch ironic you have to copy my offense comment, when everyone else seems to be reacting emotionally. I'm just baffled at the point...

[Ammokkx]

I wasn't arguing, I made an opinion that someone took personally, wrongfully asserted was an attack instead of how I view it. And now 8 people are telling me how my opinion is wrong and their's is right.

@SleepingSilence

I count like, 4 though? 5 if you count me, though I'm just pointing out flaws.

[The Elvenqueen]

@Ammokkx point taken...though compared to the implied several page CS, with 10 paragraph back stories it would be short to me xD

Elvenqueen also forget to hit the enter button on a few paragraphs.

@Inkarnate

Why yes, I probably did pahahaha. I blame the tiny phone screen and my erratic brain. Sometimes it lumps things together to get them down and then I lose track of what was written where and what needs separating. *sits in the dunce corner*

Yet again @SleepingSilence you are making sweeping generalisations o.o personally, I don't interact with most of these people in any other place than this thread (though we have had some pretty neat discussions on differing opinions here ^^) so to say we are all "involved" with one another is a broad statement with no actual merit.

And nowhere did I imply CS's were not good? Where on earth are you pulling that from? I made it clear several times that in my personal opinion I prefer to look at a person's IC writing instead. Am I demanding people scrap CS's and only ever provide samples? Noooopeeee.

As for whether somebody already has other posts in their posting history, of course I would look at those and wouldn't necessarily need to ask for another. (And FYI most GM's who I have seen ask for samples of previous writing, so it's usually not even something that requires this gargantuan extra effort to write a "waste of time" sample, which is what you seem to be implying). However, if they were applying for say a fantasy RP, but all of their post history was slice of life or something on that vein, yes I would ask for another sample to be written in a genre closer to the one they were applying for. It proves that they can write for that setting.

I've had more than enough cases, for instance a person who tried to join a normal, fairly "realistic" Wolf RP (where I was Co-GM) with a dimension-jumping werewolf/shapeshifter when the GM explicitly stated that the humans that may present challenges for the wolves were primitive, tribal people and were not playable characters. This person was able to write up a character sheet just fine but clearly had problems with creating a character appropriate to the setting given by the GM (or indeed even reading the backstory of the RP in the first place, in this case).
Ability to write a character sheet =/= ability to cooperate with other players in a collaborative roleplay. Just like, yes, it can be said that writing a sample post =/= ability to write better. Neither is better than the other, but certainly for me personally in my 11 years of roleplaying I find sample scenarios are both more reliable for me to judge whether a potential player and I will get along well, but also more enjoyable for me to write and present to someone.

[vancexentan]

@BrokenPromise Yes because I shouldn't be dictating what everyone needs to do with their character. After they go to the location they should go to then it's up to them with what they want to do with their characters. In this roleplay I've had the same character (my own granted) forced into two separate routes before due to being paired with different characters multiple times. Prideful, and calm Lancelot didn't go and listened to his master. Angry, and brashful Mordred grabbed her master and literally dragged him there. I don't leave them blank, and empty with nothing to do either. They stick around the church? Talk to other people let there, the priest who gathered them there, or perhaps simply speculate on the events at hand. Leave? You can run into another servant. You can go home and prepare more. You can go to the actual fight scene given and do things there. You can talk things over with your partner. Also forcing everyone at the church prevents anyone from interacting with the partner/servant and preventing character from giving backstory, and or allowing players to interact with other players before they get there.

In this specific roleplay Leon always arrives second, and meets a character who has always been so far Togami. In this circumstance nothing changes except for the difference in his partner. Then whoever arrives next meets the new comer and talks to them leaving the trio isolated waiting to see if anyone else arrives. The meeting while almost mandatory in the roleplay is not in the context of the roleplay as it is an open invite from the aforementioned priest/overseer. Servants aren't let inside for the safety of the humans and thus can interact on their own as well they can observe, and try to spy on others or they can try to be open. Lancelot disguised himself and hid in plain sight, and Mordred immediately went up to someone and demanded they acknowledge her power. Jeanne of Arc goes and keeps herself hidden out of caution.

You may have your own biased opinion against group scenes but I feel them necessary as a classic DnD player. Simply put the group characters need a common location to meet and then be allowed to branch off into what they want to do depending on the character.

[SleepingSilence]

@Ammokkx
I'm not your buddy, friend. *sarcasm*

But seriously, I'm just slightly tired of having so many people argue with me, trying to win the war of "whose opinions is correct." While taking everything as personally as possible. <.<

Can we just get back to bitching about things, without having to worry about 10 people jumping down that person's throat? There wasn't anyone crying when people shared their opinions that free RP's weren't their style...So why is there so much drama over what I said, while also sort of ironically taking offense to a statement that "hey, maybe some fucking people take themselves, a little too seriously."

[SleepingSilence]

@Ammokkx
If you can joke, I can exaggerate. Come on people, throw me a little bit of a bone. :P