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What are the best and worst possible probabilities that we might face?


Could you be more specific? Overall, the worst we can face is a zero-percent chance in some circumstances I can't predict. The best is a forty-seven percent chance if we manage to not only stop the war from leaving the galaxy it's currently stuck in, but also have all of both sides wiped out and all of the most powerful undecideds join us.
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Could you be more specific? Overall, the worst we can face is a zero-percent chance in some circumstances I can't predict. The best is a forty-seven percent chance if we manage to not only stop the war from leaving the galaxy it's currently stuck in, but also have all of both sides wiped out and all of the most powerful undecideds join us.


What factors have you accounted for to make your estimations?
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What factors have you accounted for to make your estimations?


For the zero percent, it's the Codex all splitting to one of the sides or flat out joining Nyarlathotep. Both have reasonably low probabilities, but they exist. Beyond that, I feel like I've explained it already. I can repeat if you'd like.
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For the zero percent, it's the Codex all splitting to one of the sides or flat out joining Nyarlathotep. Both have reasonably low probabilities, but they exist. Beyond that, I feel like I've explained it already. I can repeat if you'd like.


There are uncountable different possible scenarios, but I'd like to know how likely each must be for you to consider it.
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Yes. If you could, I'l need some time. Is there anything you can do to hold off any stragglers? All it'll take is 10 minutes.


Hold them off from the building, or the places you want to place the charges?
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There are uncountable different possible scenarios, but I'd like to know how likely each must be for you to consider it.


The lowest and highest are what I'm focusing on right now. As good as I am, there is a headache when it comes to trying to come up with a scenario, then check it, then alter it, check it, ad nauseam. It's much easier to check for highs and lows.
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The lowest and highest are what I'm focusing on right now. As good as I am, there is a headache when it comes to trying to come up with a scenario, then check it, then alter it, check it, ad nauseam. It's much easier to check for highs and lows.


Are you implying that no scenario exists in concept that guarantees a victory?
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Are you implying that no scenario exists in concept that guarantees a victory?


No plausible scenarios. There are theoretical ones, such as, say, a Codi with a sufficient power of negation being born. Or Nyarlathotep getting bored and deciding to stop on her own. Assuming she's genuine in her desires to take over Existence, there are none that I can see that give us even a fifty percent chance.
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No plausible scenarios. There are theoretical ones, such as, say, a Codi with a sufficient power of negation being born. Or Nyarlathotep getting bored and deciding to stop on her own. Assuming she's genuine in her desires to take over Existence, there are none that I can see that give us even a fifty percent chance.


What is the lower bound of probability before a scenario is implausible?
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What is the lower bound of probability before a scenario is implausible?


If it is less than fifteen percent, I consider it implausible.
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If it is less than fifteen percent, I consider it implausible.


*Nods and holds my hand to my face*
If we reduce the margin of implausibility, is there another scenario that increases our odds further?
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*Nods and holds my hand to my face*
If we reduce the margin of implausibility, is there another scenario that increases our odds further?


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Hmm. If we lower it to ten percent... I suppose there is one other. If we got all of the replacement moderators... We'd have a fifty-four percent chance of victory, given the same variables as our forty-seven percent plausible chance.
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Hmm. If we lower it to ten percent... I suppose there is one other. If we got all of the replacement moderators... We'd have a fifty-four percent chance of victory, given the same variables as our forty-seven percent plausible chance.


*Stares forward*
Fifty-four percent.
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Fifty-four percent.


Correct.
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Correct.


Is there no way that bringing in outside help beyond the Codex will help raise our chances of victory? I don't want to be a gambler, especially not when all of Existence is at stake.
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Correct.


At five percent?
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Is there no way that bringing in outside help beyond the Codex will help raise our chances of victory? I don't want to be a gambler, especially not when all of Existence is at stake.


As I said, that falls under improbability.

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At five percent?


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At that low, we could just let the two fight in person, which means we have a sixty-seven percent chance of defeating the victor if it's Azathoth, and a sixty-one percent chance if it's Nyarlathotep. Specifically, though, the casualties would be immeasurable throughout all of Existence. Those two don't fight like you or I would. And even then that's assuming that all of their followers of note are outright killed before their confrontation.

Otherwise... The only other option at that level that would increase our odds is to join one side outright, but then we're picking between two undesirable outcomes. We may as well just join Nyarlathotep and be done with it.
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As I said, that falls under improbability.

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At that low, we could just let the two fight in person, which means we have a sixty-seven percent chance of defeating the victor if it's Azathoth, and a sixty-one percent chance if it's Nyarlathotep. Specifically, though, the casualties would be immeasurable throughout all of Existence. Those two don't fight like you or I would. And even then that's assuming that all of their followers of note are outright killed before their confrontation.

Otherwise... The only other option at that level that would increase our odds is to join one side outright, but then we're picking between two undesirable outcomes. We may as well just join Nyarlathotep and be done with it.


We run out of options at ten percent. I see.
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We run out of options at ten percent. I see.


If you want the below one percent option, theoretically... If we gained enough of the mess of a System currently in place, we could use the Mechanisms of Existence in conjunction with the Mammon Machine... and we got the Administrator's help... We could trap Nyarlathotep using her own power and simply not free Azathoth. But that's not really an option, it's rather a dream within a dream within a dream.
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If you want the below one percent option, theoretically... If we gained enough of the mess of a System currently in place, we could use the Mechanisms of Existence in conjunction with the Mammon Machine... and we got the Administrator's help... We could trap Nyarlathotep using her own power and simply not free Azathoth. But that's not really an option, it's rather a dream within a dream within a dream.


What would that entail?
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