Ferguson, MO protests and police brutality.

[mdk]

You guys are awfully eager to find the writing on the wall. All this 'second revolution' nonsense and fire and brimstone..... just stop giving them power. The federal government is uselessly stupid and it doesn't have to mean anything. They're only a problem when you rely on them to solve problems.

[So Boerd]

mdk said
You guys are awfully eager to find the writing on the wall. All this 'second revolution' nonsense and fire and brimstone..... . The federal government is uselessly stupid and it doesn't have to mean anything. They're only a problem when you rely on them to solve problems.

This.

[Syben]

mdk said
You guys are awfully eager to find the writing on the wall. All this 'second revolution' nonsense and fire and brimstone.....just stop giving them power. The federal government is uselessly stupid and it doesn't have to mean anything. They're only a problem when you rely on them to solve problems.

That is literally the same as going back to the 18th, or 19th century and telling all of the slaves... just stop being slaves.

[mdk]

edit: know what, that's not helping anything, is it. Nevermind.

[Brovo]

Aeonumbra said
That is literally the same as going back to the 18th, or 19th century and telling all of the slaves... .

Except that's quintessentially what happened. Lincoln said "no more slaves kay". Over time blacks then earned more and more rights when they stood up and took them through numbers and good causes.

The only time change happens is when people get off their asses and make things change. Through politics or violence.

[The Nexerus]

There have been so many "second revolution" sparks in the United States that if an actual rebellion against the government ever occurs in the future it ought to be called the fourteenth or fifteenth revolution.

[Zendric]

mdk said
You guys are awfully eager to find the writing on the wall. All this 'second revolution' nonsense and fire and brimstone..... . The federal government is uselessly stupid and it doesn't have to mean anything. They're only a problem when you rely on them to solve problems.

WAIT

Do you mean big government has problems? Terrorist! This why we need the Patriot Act, people like you!

[Syben]

Brovo said
Except that's quintessentially what happened. Lincoln said "no more slaves kay". Over time blacks then earned more and more rights when they stood up and took them through numbers and good causes.The only time change happens is when people get off their asses and make things change. Through politics or violence.

Lincoln wasn't exactly "gung-ho" over abolishing slavery

Besides that, you have misinterpreted the point I made.

What MDK Said: "Just stop giving them power."

What Aeonumbra Said: "That's like telling the slaves to stop being slaves."

What Brovo Said: "But Lincoln abolished slavery and the blacks fought for civil rights and equality."

I really don't know how you missed that. You kind of derailed from what I stated. So let me flesh it out for you. I did not say it's like telling them to fight for civil rights, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. What I literally said, it's right there, is that it was like telling them to Stop being slaves. They didn't just stand up and say "you know what, I'm tired of being a slave." Obviously that's not how slavery works. They ran, they hid, they were killed, they were cowed into submission, but ultimately they as a people remained slaves. The President of the United States of America "freed" them. (Though his ideals weren't nearly what is taught in American schools.)

Now that I've clearly stated a point that was clear to begin with (so nobody is confused as to what I said, perhaps we should get back on topic. This is not up for a derailed argument, if you want to discuss it further PM me, I'd happily oblige to debate with you.

The Nexerus said
There have been so many "second revolution" sparks in the United States that if an actual rebellion against the government ever occurs in the future it ought to be called the fourteenth or fifteenth revolution.

You are quite right on this. But because of the overwhelming level of technology and militarized weapons already against us, anything revolution that happens now would get it's own memorial day in history because we would be slaughtered. Not to mention there are so many different views and ideals on how things should be ran that hardly anyone can agree, let alone enough of the population to do something about it, let alone get the items needed for it. On top of that, creating a country in chaos puts us in a terrible standing in the world, someone would surely invade us to bring "democracy" and "Freedom" like those other chaotic countries over in the east.

Then there's our "who's got the bigger d***" contest because we're America, Fuck yea, we can do whatever we want. And by we I mean the government because the people really don't have a voice. Not one that's heard, just look at Ferguson. The people are outraged, yea there are some bad eggs looting. Their methods not all be the same but the voice is there, it demands justice. Will there be justice? I'm not sure, just look at all the bad cops walking free.

TheDailyBest.com said The Brown case would be far from the most outrageous incident involving a police officer not being criminally charged for killing an unarmed person. In 2012, for example, Brian Claunch, a wheelchair-bound double amputee living in a group home in Houston, became unruly. After the cops arrived, Claunch, who had a history of mental illness, verbally threatened them from his wheelchair and waved a shiny object—a ballpoint pen. After Claunch refused to drop the pen, one of the officers shot him in the head, killing him.

Source

Furgeson is hardly the most ridiculous case out there. I keep on this all the time, I usually read 4-5 different sources on the subject, seeing what everyone has to say. And they're probably right. The cop who shot brown probably won't even be charged (at most he'll receive probation, a fine, or issue a public apology but I doubt any of that) and the populace will be cowed into submission.

This is the world we live in, I really hope I'm wrong, but so far I doesn't look that way considering the history of our nation's legal cases.

[So Boerd]

If all the slaves suddenly stopped complying, slavery would have ended.

Aeonumbra said
Besides that, you have misinterpreted the point I made. "Just stop giving them power." "That's like telling the slaves to stop being slaves." "But Lincoln abolished slavery and the blacks fought for civil rights and equality."I really don't know how you missed that. You kind of derailed from what I stated. So let me flesh it out for you. I did not say it's like telling them to fight for civil rights, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. What I literally said, it's right there, is that it was like telling them to . They didn't just stand up and say "you know what, I'm tired of being a slave." Obviously that's not how slavery works. They ran, they hid, they were killed, they were cowed into submission, but ultimately they as a people remained slaves. The President of the United States of America "freed" them. (Though his ideals weren't nearly what is taught in American schools.) Now that I've clearly stated a point that was clear to begin with (so nobody is confused as to what I said, perhaps we should get back on topic. This is not up for a derailed argument, if you want to discuss it further PM me, I'd happily oblige to debate with you. You are quite right on this. But because of the overwhelming level of technology and militarized weapons already against us, anything revolution that happens now would get it's own memorial day in history because we would be slaughtered. Not to mention there are so many different views and ideals on how things should be ran that hardly anyone can agree, let alone enough of the population to do something about it, let alone get the items needed for it. On top of that, creating a country in chaos puts us in a terrible standing in the world, someone would surely invade us to bring "democracy" and "Freedom" like those other chaotic countries over in the east.Then there's our "who's got the bigger d***" contest because we're America, Fuck yea, we can do whatever we want. And by we I mean the government because the people really don't have a voice. Not one that's heard, just look at Ferguson. The people are outraged, yea there are some bad eggs looting. Their methods not all be the same but the voice is there, it demands justice. Will there be justice? I'm not sure, just look at all the bad cops walking free.Furgeson is hardly the most ridiculous case out there. I keep on this all the time, I usually read 4-5 different sources on the subject, seeing what everyone has to say. And they're probably right. The cop who shot brown probably won't even be charged (at most he'll receive probation, a fine, or issue a public apology but I doubt any of that) and the populace will be cowed into submission.This is the world we live in, I really hope I'm wrong, but so far I doesn't look that way considering the history of our nation's legal cases.

Did you vote for Obama?

[Syben]

Exactly what substantial purpose does that question even hold?

[mdk]

We are governed with consent by elected officials. That's a pretty far cry from slavery. There is no similarity whatsoever between stripping an expansive federal legislature of its excess powers and the systematic physical, psychological, and sexual abuse of a minority group. None. The very suggestion is absurd. We are not subjugated, we are not repressed, we are not tyrannized -- we are simply stupid enough to keep voting for these morons. The solution is simple. Stop. Just stop. That's it.

[Syben]

I was using a simile, not a literal definite comparison of the terms in which we used, but the manner in which they were express. The solution is not so simple, not everybody can just 'stop'. Some believe in the system, some don't. It doesn't have to be systematic, it doesn't have to be sexual, it doesn't have to be any of those things.

~Albert Camus said
“What better way to enslave a man then to give him a vote and tell him he is free”

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Slavery:
:the state of being a slave.

:the practice or system of owning slaves.

:a condition compared to that of a slave in respect of exhausting labor or restricted freedom.

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Slave:

:a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.

:a person who works very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation.

:a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something.


Tell me, do any of those definitions fit the majority of the American population?

[mdk]

Aeonumbra said
I was using a simile, not a literal definite comparison of the terms in which we used,

You literally used the word literally, so I'm literally calling bullshit. You're out. Let's all take a few steps back and chill out, and we can have some other different conversation. One not based on such a ludicrous comparison.

[Syben]

mdk said
You used the word so I'm calling bullshit. You're out. Let's all take a few steps back and chill out, and we can have some other different conversation. One not based on such a ludicrous comparison.

I literally used the word literally to literally explain what I was trying to literally say. So calm your unicorn.

[Gwazi Magnum]

[Brovo]

[So Boerd]

Aeonumbra said
Exactly what substantial purpose does that question even hold?

To reveal hypocrisy and illustrate my point.

[Rare]

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[Syben]