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The Keep is a little cramped against the Inner Wall, but this is what I've got. Note, this was made in two minutes from a broken library computer.



Edit: Observing the Amaryth Q&A, you'll note I indicated the inner city, while on a higher elevation, was level because the elevation was artificial.
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I don't know how I'm going to exit this public library, I may end up walking again. This time...in jeans!
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You could alternatively walk home with no pants.
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Secound dramatic speech! this time setting up a plot thread
I am on a Roll
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@Alida

Seems we posted at the same time :P
They dont really conflict so i guess its fine
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Eehm I think I'll edit my post to come after Drama Queen's speech. It'd make more sense that way.
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we're working on leveling out walls and such a bit, but right now, its not that flat. Even artificial leveling is generally not perfect. The closest that will make sense given the rest of the topography is to have several plateaus inside of different elevation. There's just too many polygons to manage to make it completely a single level. To do that, we'd basically have to reshape the whole city, with the inner city alone being well over 1.5 km². The Whole city is estimated to cover around 16,000,000 m². That last number is including all sloped surfaces. Not the flattened ground area, which is only around 6 km².

We estimate height difference in inner city to be about 300m from lowest point to highest on current mesh. Given that there's no steep inclines, its not logical to flatten it completely, not unless you have tools to move amounts around 0.25 cubic kilometers. Probably more if you don't want vertical cliffs in excess of several hundred meters tall on the sides. If you're moving that much granite, you're talking about around 635 million metric tons. And thats just the smallest estimate of mass you'd need to move to make a flat plane the size of the inner city on a simple hill like this. If you want it in those silly imperial units, you're speaking of at least 1.3 trillion pounds. Topography is a hell to mess with on a large scale.
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Should the Kingdom of Helia be accepted by Guilty Sparks [A mountain nation of traders and craftsmen, with the first shipping corporation], then it'd be an ideal place for refugees, despite the distance. Lots of stone and metals would mean easy materials for construction. And, they're on top of mountains.
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I like how SV is like "LOOK AT ALL THS EVIDENCE"
and artemis just says 'Fuck your dreams'
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If we've got basically standard earth atmosphere, those mountaintop residences should not exceed 5090 m (16700 feet) in height above sea level. Thats the Earth limit for where higher up there is no possibility for growing/raising food. Even then, its hard.

Just curious about that kingdom... What made them establish a trade emporium? Wouldn't such make more sense in a society near rivers or major roads?
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Artemis's nickname in school was 'Dreamwrecker'.

I'm kidding.

Artemis didn't go to school.
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@Ellri, numbers. Okay, I believe you.
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Ellri said
If we've got basically standard earth atmosphere, those mountaintop residences should not exceed 5090 m (16700 feet) in height above sea level. Thats the Earth limit for where higher up there is no possibility for growing/raising food. Even then, its hard. Just curious about that kingdom... What made them establish a trade emporium? Wouldn't such make more sense in a society near rivers or major roads?


The mountains, obviously, have an abundance of items that can sell well, namely jewels and raw materials like iron or gold. Stuff like that. Now, there are little valleys between the mountains, and there are primitive tribes that dwell there, and so the people of Helia trade with them for wood and food, but not very much. As the people grew and they expanded, and their few farms around or in uninhabited areas at the mountains provided well enough for a time. Then, of course, their numbers began to grow more than they could provide, and they were not very good farmers. They were miners, craftsmen, and traders with primitive people. As they grew, they made two new cities in the very much larger valley where they would previously only go as a wilderness vacation. As the two cities grew, one became the capital, as the people banded together, and the other became a trade city, being closest to a bay. The third city was more of a patchwork: Helion craftsmen and traders made their homes there, but it wasn't completely part of the Kingdom. It's at the large bay to the north of the mountains. The people ship their goods to the Capital, which is at the base of the mountains as far in as you can go into the valley, and extending up one. Streams from the mountains become rivers, and were used to power the systems for carts, of sorts, to ship goods down the mountains to the Lake, and from the Lake, the Lakeside City. Unlike Amaryth, it has neither a fortress nor an inner city. Just an outer wall, with different districts separated by large roads running through town, to make way for goods. Boats come up and down the river from the Bay up north, to the Lake, and ship goods back and forth. From the Bay, they go out to the world. After that, they can get plenty of food. Plus they are also becoming richer. They aren't blind to the world, though they don't always keep up with it. It'd be over a year by the time the King would hear of the fall, or the invasion, of Amaryth. Then he'd do nothing but strengthen his walls and defenses. Ballista and catapults, whether on towers or on wheels, are common.
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Wait is bing talking to Starry Artemis and Marcus
where was he before i dont remember him being near them
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No Bite and All Bark said
Wait is bing talking to Starry Artemis and Marcuswhere was he before i dont remember him being near them


I know right, I also thought that Marcus and co were in a different boat.... o.o'
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Plus he wasn't even paying attention to the party he randomly crashed, because he called Artemis "weakling", apparently missing the part where he rowed the three of them (read THREE) across the lake by himself without stopping.
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Plus he wasn't even paying attention to the party he randomly crashed, because he called Artemis "weakling", apparently missing the part where he rowed the three of them (read THREE) across the lake by himself without stopping.


Also ordering the guy who can bend space and is extremely irratable and petty probably isn't a good idea
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What's that city in Avatar called? Bah-singsay or somesuch? Think of the slide transportation system, and a transportation system with gears, pulleys, and carts. One for light loads [carts] or large heavy loads [carts], or mediumly heavy loads or small heavy loads [slides]

Except really steep, for the most part. A single 'road' that stretches around a mountain is the main and only way up through the city, disregarding the housing and their ladders and stairs. One could go straight up a mountain-city, or they could go all the way around it at least what would seem a hundred times. What better way to beat any attackers than to make the air so thin that they can barely catch a breath when they're breathing normally, then make them run around in circles endlessly, or make them run up stairs and ladders. Even a Vocator would be tired.
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No Bite and All Bark said
Wait is bing talking to Starry Artemis and Marcuswhere was he before i dont remember him being near them


Bing? I thought he was the one rowing your boat!

" He had made it himself and for himself, though it looked like it could use a few more people to make it more useful. So before casting off, Bor looked around for a few more minutes if anyone needed a bit of hope. "Hey! If you don't want to die get in!""

He made the offer, then suddenly everyone piled into "a" boat.
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@All Bark, your hints seem a little too strong.
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