[OOC] Academy 218 - Superhuman School (Always open)

[Mixtape Ghost N]

AeronFarron said
And she actually kinda is a Sebastian Shaw (had to look it up), just more versatile in some ways. She can enhance her strength (not speed) with her kinetic abilities, and can absorb kinetic energy as well as other energy sources for her own use. The main difference is that she cannot directly change the energy conversion in magnitude. However much energy she absorbs is how much energy is being released via kinetic energy. She can't really enhance it unless kinetic energy is being taken in and she adds her own internally created kinetic energy.

Well, what I want to know is can she absorb energy and nullify any attacks against her? Like if she was shot with a laser, or get hit with a bat, would she absorb the energy out of those attacks, and receive no damage? And personally, I think she should only absorb kinetic energy.

[Mixtape Ghost N]

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[QuietThinker]

Mr Allen J said
I still think enhanced muscle/body control would be a more sensible development. Even with that ability, you can still move pretty fast.

Well the way I see it, enhanced muscle control is more of a skill than a power.. And that wouldn't burn him out.

[AeronFarron]

Mr Allen J said
Well, what I want to know is can she absorb energy and nullify any attacks against her? Like if she was shot with a laser, or get hit with a bat, would she absorb the energy out of those attacks, and receive no damage? And personally, I think she should only absorb kinetic energy.

She will still receive injury depending on the magnitude. She cannot actually absorb kinetic energy since she creates it biologically. She can only redirect its path. She can redirect the kinetic energy from a punch to the face into a plasma blast, but she will still have a black eye. She wouldn't try to absorb a laser due to its electromagnetic properties. Could she? Maybe, but who is to say if her body could handle it. Energy Absorption is her main power, Kinetic Energy Redirection is only an arm of that power.

[Obscene Symphony]

Shradinger, who are you RPing in your latest post? I don't think it says a name anywhere.

[Schradinger]

Oh, whoops. I've only got the one character, but I'll add the name at the beginning.

[Leonerdo]

QuietThinker said
Well the way I see it, enhanced muscle control is more of a skill than a power.. And that wouldn't burn him out.

Totally. Because, you know, moving normally in a world that moves in slow motion is a skill. If I trained hard enough, I can see everything in slow motion and run really fast. Thanks. Your insight is invaluable.

AeronFarron said
She will still receive injury depending on the magnitude. She cannot actually absorb kinetic energy since she creates it biologically. She can only redirect its path. She can redirect the kinetic energy from a punch to the face into a plasma blast, but she will still have a black eye. She wouldn't try to absorb a laser due to its electromagnetic properties. Could she? Maybe, but who is to say if her body could handle it. Energy Absorption is her main power, Kinetic Energy Redirection is only an arm of that power.

I want whatever it is you're smoking. Biologically producing kinetic energy? Redirected kinetic energy? Kinetic energy is energy derived from motion. It isn't the same kind of energy as electrical energy. Or heat energy. It's something else entirely and you probably shouldn't think of it as actual energy. It's motion. Motion, motion, motion, and you can not turn that into a plasma blast because it doesn't make an ounce of sense. How does plasma blasts even create black eyes? You know what plasma is? The kind of stuff electricity and fire is made of. What? What? You can't understand the state my brain is in right now. Or apparently kinetic energy. Like, what the hell is going on right now? By a count of hands, who is in high school or who graduated from high school? Because I'm about to drop down a God damn science textbook. From the '90s.

[Jazzy]

Henry's about to go war commader.

Prepare your anus Red Team.

Well, maybe Red team has a chance if Peter knows any attack strategy.

[Leonerdo]

Peter, out of all the kids, definitely has the most experience and so on. But he won't invest a lot of effort into it and won't give any suggestions to the team strategists. He wouldn't even care very much. He will know what to expect or see whatever coming due to his insight though, but he's still pretty new to the field of superpowers.

[AeronFarron]

Leonerdo said
Totally. Because, you know, moving normally in a world that moves in slow motion is a skill. If I trained hard enough, I can see everything in slow motion and run really fast. Thanks. Your insight is invaluable.I want whatever it is you're smoking. Biologically producing kinetic energy? Redirected kinetic energy? Kinetic energy is energy derived from motion. It isn't the same kind of energy as electrical energy. Or heat energy. It's something else entirely and you probably shouldn't think of it as actual energy. It's motion. Motion, motion, motion, and you can not turn that into a plasma blast because it doesn't make an ounce of sense. How does plasma blasts even create black eyes? You know what plasma is? The kind of stuff electricity and fire is made of. What? What? You can't understand the state my brain is in right now. Or apparently kinetic energy. Like, what the hell is going on right now? By a count of hands, who is in high school or who graduated from high school? Because I'm about to drop down a God damn science textbook. From the '90s.

Molecular Kinetic Energy, wise ass. That is why she cannot control it mentally and why it is a biological phenomenon. Her body uses the kinetic energy produced by her own bodily function and amplifies it. THAT is why she cannot control how much kinetic energy she can output and THAT is why she cannot absorb that energy.

Lightning is pure kinetic energy, as in it has no potential energy and is constantly in motion until it isn't anymore. Then it just becomes grounded electricity. Lightning is also plasma which is heated, ionized gas. Gas which, shockingly, is made of rapidly moving molecules that can have a structure.

And plasma can't create black eyes, person that doesn't read before he comments. Her face still suffers injury from the punch itself. She can't mitigate that.

As for the heat, nuclear, and chemical (amongst other energy types) these are mostly potential energies. She absorbs it, internalizes it, and biologically converts them into kinetic energy by turning ir into chemical energy. This chemical energy energizes the molecules on their scale before being turned into amplified kinetic energy. This is then released by either a motion (her arm firing off a plasma blast) or by setting a medium into motion (like throwing something). That potential energy turns into kinetic energy which then fires off the build up and creates an outlet. This is why she cannot hold onto that energy for very long. It will ALWAYS find an outlet.

And...FIRE is NOT a plasma. Stars, lightning and some FLAMES are. Flame is not fire. Thank you, but take your self-serving trolling ass elsewhere.

[Mixtape Ghost N]

Yeah, everyone calm your tits. Aeron, Leonerdo was voicing some things he thought could use work about your sheet. There is no need to start tossing insults around and telling people to leave. That's just uncalled for and is only going to provoke an argument.

Now that you've explained it a bit, I think you should rewrite her power section since it doesn't make a lot of sense. What I suggest is going for a more physical path such as using kinetic energy to charge attacks, or give her super system abilities.

Also, a lightning bolt is not kinetic energy, it is all electrical. A huuuuuge difference between the two.

[Leonerdo]

AeronFarron said
Molecular Kinetic Energy, wise ass. That is why she cannot control it mentally and why it is a biological phenomenon. Her body uses the kinetic energy produced by her own bodily function and amplifies it. THAT is why she cannot control how much kinetic energy she can output and THAT is why she cannot absorb that energy. Lightning is pure kinetic energy. Lightning is also plasma which is heated, ionized gas. Gas which, shockingly, is made of rapidly moving molecules that can somehow have a structure. And plasma can't create black eyes, person that doesn't read before he comments. Her face still suffers injury from the punch. She can't mitigate that. And...FIRE is NOT a plasma. Stars, lightning and some FLAMES are. Flame is not fire. Thank you, but take your self-serving trolling ass elsewhere.

Kinetic energy has molecules! Wow! No. Kinetic energy is nothing like other forms of energy (atoms can have kinetic energy - but we call that temperature, and operates different than what we - sorry, I mean I, understand typical kinetic energy). In fact, this stills stems from your lack of understand of kinetic energy. In fact, it's a pretty metaphysical term that we use kinetic energy to explain motion and inertia. That said, take out the word "kinetic energy" and replaced it with "motion" and you have what is essentially the same idea. So, sorry to burst the bubble, but kinetic energy isn't a biological phenomenon.

And nope, wrong again. Lightning is NOT pure kinetic energy, it is an electrical discharge. It is electrical energy. Saying lightning is pure kinetic energy is like saying lightning is pure motion. Which is, of course, dumb! But congratulations, you know that lightning is made of plasma and the general idea of what plasma is. Just by saying that, you contradicted the prior statement by suggesting lightning is pure kinetic energy. Kinetic energy is produced as the ionized gases that makes up the lightning heats up and strikes, and also results in thunder.

No, I definitely read. The reason it doesn't make sense is because I said the same thing back to you. So, you absorb the kinetic energy in a punch, but it still maintains its momentum and creates an impact, hitting you in the face? How would you even convert kinetic energy into plasma? What exactly is the result of that?

Holy shit. Take a step back and examine how insignificant that petty detail is. Okay, whatever, the flame. The point stands. The flame is plasma. Stars have plasma and super heated gas. Entirely irrelevant to the conversation at hand. It looks like an attempt to make yourself feel better, or something, I don't even know at this rate (but, hey, speaking of petty irrelevant details - and this probably doesn't mean anything to you or anything [I just figured to mention it since you seem to enjoy doing it] - I was here long before you, or even most people given how I was in this roleplay's previous incarnation).

But on a more serious note, I want to cover some details I haven't yet done here yet. I was talking to someone and this is what came out of it:

They: "But in theory, you could get kinetic energy from your bloodstream moving."
They: "Not a lot."
Me: "If you want to absorb that, go ahead. I'll sit here, off to the side, while your brain and the rest of the body is being deprived of blood and oxygen."
Me: "And then there's your heart, still pumping, and your bloodstream not moving. You'll probably even get a heart attack."
They: "That is if you absorb all of it. But what about a small portion?"
Me: "You'll probably suffer the same effects as super low blood pressure. Granted, the blood pressure might be the same, or even build, but a slow moving bloodstream will at least make you light headed and tired. And then you might feel tense, because if your blood pressure builds, that's applying pressure on the inside of your veins and arteries. And if your heart rate remains the same, it's working just as hard for a smaller benefit. And the blood is moving slow. So the heart might even work harder."

EDIT: Woop, woop. Sorry about that Allen, didn't see ya there.

[AeronFarron]

It was not a "leave" as in leave the thread, it was a "leave" and in leave me alone.

Implicating that I am stupid is the same thing as me calling him an ass. So I'm not apologizing for it.

And yes, it IS kinetic energy. 1: It radiates heat, light, and sound, and they are all in motion. 2: "Kinetic Energy" is the energy that is produced by motion. Electrical discharges are kinetic in nature since you get the energy by from the electrons being in motion. Without either the sharing or the transfer of electrons, you just have inert molecules.

[Leonerdo]

Kinetic energy is motion. Lightning has electrons, neutrons, ions, and light comes from protons - it's actual energy. If I twirl a light bulb on a string, it ain't kinetic energy. It's a god damn light bulb on a string.

You're using the association fallacy.

[Mixtape Ghost N]

First, you need to calm down. There is absolutely no need to get all worked up. We're all mature here. Second, while lightning contain all of that, it does not mean it's "pure kinetic energy". It's pure electrical energy. You could make the same argument about a lot of thing.

But, let's not continue this argument any further. I'm already tired of this shit and I don't want any arguments on my thread. What I do think we should do is change Quinn's power a bit. We can discuss any changes in PMs. There is no need to respond to Leonerdo, and vice versa.

[AeronFarron]

Leonerdo said
Kinetic energy has molecules! Wow! No. Kinetic energy is nothing like other forms of energy (atoms can have kinetic energy - but we call that temperature, and operates different than what we - sorry, I mean , understand typical kinetic energy). In fact, this stills stems from your lack of understand of kinetic energy. In fact, it's a pretty metaphysical term that we use kinetic energy to explain motion and inertia. That said, take out the word "kinetic energy" and replaced it with "motion" and you have what is essentially the same idea. So, sorry to burst the bubble, but kinetic energy isn't a biological phenomenon.And nope, wrong again. Lightning is NOT pure kinetic energy, it is an electrical discharge. It is electrical energy. Saying lightning is pure kinetic energy is like saying lightning is pure motion. Which is, of course, dumb! But congratulations, you know that lightning is made of plasma and the general idea of what plasma is. Just by saying that, you contradicted the prior statement by suggesting lightning is pure kinetic energy. Kinetic energy is produced as the ionized gases that makes up the lightning heats up and strikes, and also results in .No, I definitely read. The reason it doesn't make sense is because I said the same thing back to you. So, you absorb the kinetic energy in a punch, but it still maintains its momentum and creates an impact, hitting you in the face? How would you even convert kinetic energy into plasma? What exactly is the result of that?Holy shit. Take a step back and examine how insignificant that petty detail is. Okay, whatever, the flame. The point stands. The flame is plasma. Stars have plasma and super heated gas. Entirely irrelevant to the conversation at hand. It looks like an attempt to make yourself feel better, or something, I don't even know at this rate (but, hey, speaking of petty irrelevant details - and this probably doesn't mean anything to you or anything [I just figured to mention it since you seem to enjoy doing it] - I was here long before you, or even most people given how I was in this roleplay's previous incarnation). But on a more serious note, I want to cover some details I haven't yet done here yet. I was talking to someone and this is what came out of it:They: "But in theory, you could get kinetic energy from your bloodstream moving."They: "Not a lot."Me: "If you want to absorb that, go ahead. I'll sit here, off to the side, while your brain and the rest of the body is being deprived of blood and oxygen."Me: "And then there's your heart, still pumping, and your bloodstream not moving. You'll probably even get a heart attack."They: "That is if you absorb all of it. But what about a small portion?"Me: "You'll probably suffer the same effects as super low blood pressure. Granted, the blood pressure might be the same, or even build, but a slow moving bloodstream will at least make you light headed and tired. And then you might feel tense, because if your blood pressure builds, that's applying pressure on the inside of your veins and arteries. And if your heart rate remains the same, it's working just as hard for a smaller benefit. And the blood is moving slow. So the heart might even work harder."EDIT: Woop, woop. Sorry about that Allen, didn't see ya there.

The molecules in our body are constantly moving. Pretty much every type of energy is either potential (not in motion) and kinetic (in motion). Temperature (which, is an energy transfer from the molecules to the environment surrounding them--kinetic energy) is exactly what is going on and why is IS biological.

Here I'll break it down for you how I am seeing it:

She gets punched in the face.
Her body registers the speed, pressure and amount of force based on the kinetic energy that is being transferred from fist to skin to nerve endings.
The nerves then takes that data and encodes it to her brain, piggybacking off of the coding for pain.
Brain then sends that, along with the sensation of pain, throughout her body.
The body responds to the injury as normal (inflammation, repairing of ruptured blood vessels), but also releases something else.
While the normal bodily functions are occurring, the kinetic energy from the punch itself doesn't stop. It is absorbed and carried by biologically occurring molecules that are created by her Meta-Human gene.
These molecules are always in motion, always vibrating and are found through her muscle tissue. While the nerve receptors are transmitting the pain sensation to the brain, this network of compacted, vibrating molecules send their own signal to the brain, which carries the information of the kinetic energy that was transferred to them.
The brain decodes them both simultaneously. When it sends out the "pain signal" it sends out a very similar signal to the molecules within her muscles. This signal overdrives these molecules into vibrating much more than normal until the feedback matches the initial signal. This results in creating the same amount of potential energy that was present upon impact.
Once that energy is put into motion, via her punching back or throwing a something into his face, that potential energy buildup rushes to the point of motion and is released with the same amount of energy as the punch. The force can change depending on mass and surface area as to what the energy is being transferred to, but the amount of energy is the same.

[Mixtape Ghost N]

Mr Allen J said But, let's not continue this argument any further. I'm already tired of this shit and I don't want any arguments on my thread. What I do think we should do is change Quinn's power a bit. We can discuss any changes in PMs. There is no need to respond to Leonerdo, and vice versa.

[Leonerdo]

All yours, Cap'n.

[AeronFarron]

Mr Allen J said
First, you need to calm down. There is absolutely no need to get all worked up. We're all mature here. Second, while lightning contain all of that, it does not mean it's "pure kinetic energy". It's pure electrical energy. You could make the same argument about a of thing.But, let's not continue this argument any further. I'm already tired of this shit and I don't want any arguments on my thread. What I do think we should do is change Quinn's power a bit. We can discuss any changes in PMs. There is no need to respond to Leonerdo, and vice versa.

Sorry, I didn't see your post.

I am calm. But when someone disrespects me, politeness goes out the window. If he had concerns, then tell me in a respectful manner. Or ask me how I am thinking it works. If I had known that everything needed to be completely logical with every detail accounted for, I would have done that earlier. But, the character sheets didn't go near the level of detail that I am having to right now, so my bad.