[OOC] Arena Chat Thread

[ShidenBlades]

Personal emergency or not, it's just a way of keeping things fluid.

Or maybe make them inactive, that way they just don't sit there in whatever position they are in. Which, I think only really matters if your high in the rankings.

[Little Bird]

I'm not really all that down with the 10% point system. Maybe I'm just too attached to my own system. I just don't think that there should necissarily be a penalty for losing, especially when a person loses after putfing forth a great effort.

[ImportantNobody]

Wager is good. Maybe if people wouldn't want to bother fighting someone for that little points then more could be wagered to offer more incentive. Of course a lot of people probably don't care but some might.

Inactive people would usually be in the middle of the rankings unless they get inactive later on, which could have them anywhere.

[Rilla]

I just don't think they should be punished for handling their life and the like. In most situations I can understand it, though a simple forfeiture would be fine. If they are just hanging around and not participating, in the alloys time, forfeit. If something pulls them away, forfeit.

I like the Mark inactive thing. Perhaps a side list foe them, so they can hop back in on their return though that could have detrimental effects on the rankings.

I don't kind the point loss. Gives you something to fight for, especially if it pertains to keeping/advancing a rank.

The wager bit isn't meant to replace it, just a different way of operating. It could be used for items and the like, but wouldn't get you any higher in ranks until you actually win points.

[MelonHead]

Personal preference, no penalty for losing (other than a loss on your record) and leaving fights without reason resulting in auto-losses.

How exactly is the record system going to be regulated is my question though, would it require Arena GM's to look over fights and validate results?

[ImportantNobody]

That seems fair. As an inactive player you keep your points but loose your ranking until you regain activity. Next to the points it usually says "3rd" or whatever but now it says "Unranked". You don't have to have a point or rank penalty coming back in, you just come back into the rank where your points would place you.

There could be participation points to increase everyone's points a bit over time rather than keeping the average stuck at 1,000 for infinity and boss battles where the charactes who win get a lot of points and the boss is a NPC so doesn't loose points for the people controlling him. That could help the more active players get higher then the ones who drop out and then come back later without penalizing their own points (other than their forfeit in the match if they dropped out mid match).

[Rilla]

All ranked fights should have a judge anyway, or at least someone who can come in to validate them. One person per, otherwise it could devolve into an argument fest. I've seen it happen, also experienced it. Resulted in me not getting any points for a fight I was in.

I'm not a fan of participation points. Sounds a bit like those trophies you get nowadays for just being on the team. We'll see what the rest of the lot think of losing points and such and go from there, mainly so we van have that issue worked out.

Boss battles I think should be reserved for a PW and not have any bearing on rankings/points. All of those should be handled between actual participants, though depending on the vote the loser may not actually lose anything. just get a loss.

Another thought that crossed my mind. Should the rankings at the W-L record be involved with one another, past if you lose you get a point in your loss column, same for win?

I'm thinking that the win loss should.mostly be a standalone thing, sort of there to keep track of how you're doing. That could very well be how we all think its gonna be, and.I.could just be thinking over it too much.

[ImportantNobody]

I was thinking the win losses would be keeping track of character win losses in the challenge thread. You could put two and two together to find out your total record based on your characters if you are so inclined.

[Little Bird]

I don't kind the point loss. Gives you something to fight for, especially if it pertains to keeping/advancing a rank.

That's all well and good for those with more experience in the arena. But I don't see it promoting growth in the less experienced. I feel like it would end up confining people to battling within their range of aptitude, where that stand a chance of beating their opponents; this goes especialky for the newbies that might join in, who may wind up stuck at the bottom rungs because they can't challenge the people higher up without having to fear being dropped down to zero.

Which, by the way, what would happen if someone reached zero? Negative points?

The way I see it, a system built on rewarding efforts has advantages. People can still get points and ranking can still be determined. At the same time points awarded would be able reflect/be reflected by a critique of a player's performance.

Perhaps we could make a hybrid point system?

[Rilla]

I would probably mine as more player based. Hahaha.

[Rilla]

You would have to literally lose a metric shitton of.fights to get that low. Hahaha.

Nothing much will stop people from doing that now, though as long as I've been here that issue hasn't ever really come up. Folks here actually like challenging people who pose a challenge.

Though you have a good point about reaching zero.

[ShidenBlades]

We could combine several of the aspects that have been presented.

I think a Win/Loss system for Players is nice.

A Point system per character, or only allow one character for ranked matches. Prevents one really good writer having three or four characters at the top.

I like the loss for losing personally, but maybe it should be 10% of the lowest point total between the two? It will mean slower movement for everyone.

[Rilla]

I think all the official stuff being player based. An official W-L record for players, and the rankings as well. Players can do their own for characters, if they wanna keep up with that.

[ShidenBlades]

Fair enough.

Let's get to implementing!!

[Skallagrim]

What do ya need done boss?

[Rilla]

At the money just looking for more opinions on the point system, so.I can take it to Mahz

[ImportantNobody]

For the challenge thread, I forgot if this was mentioned but each person can have one post in the character sheet section for all of their characters and have them each in hiders. That way you can easily scroll down and just have to find the person and then the character in question from a simple list. That should help tremendously in findin characters no yet listed in the first post.

[Skallagrim]

At the money just looking for more opinions on the point system, so.I can take it to Mahz

@Rilla

I think going off a HoR style win-loss record based on the player is best. Character wins and losses don't have any bearing on where the player ranks among their peers. Like you said if the player wants for RP purposes to track their characters w/l that is on them. Offically only the players standing should count.

Points should then be applied to the players record. Thus we all start at an arbitrary point. Say 1000. Each win or loss deducts the 10%. Then it comes down to points. You can have a ranked player a few points ahead of the person behind them. They can either fight one another or continue with garnering points until the trailing player overcomes the leading player via points.

On another tangent, what about setting judges? Since these are to be ranked fights having qualified and trusted judges is important.

[Rilla]

Myself and Skally agree on that. Which of you fine folk didn't/did as well?

Once we get this out of the way, I can take it to Mahz to see if it's possible fir him to code in as an "opt in" measure, then we can set about the ranks

[ShidenBlades]

I think that sounds fine.