[OOC] Waeldeshore 1.0 [CONCLUDED]

[boomlover]

youtube.com/watch?v=zEaxNfkLUUQ i have found the best thing eva !

[Letter Bee]

More Thoughts on Ioannes (And Giray)

More Thoughts on Ioannes (And Giray)

Giray is a morally grey state that pays for every good thing it has with immoral actions and the dislike of other nations. And by that, Giray is (or, less charitably, sells itself as) a multicultural, multiracial, and multi-faith nation united in the belief that every other land is a mess of racial, religious, and magical persecution, as well as labor slavery. Considering the backstories of other PCs like Isabeau, this might even be right.

How does this affect Ioannes? Simple: Another reason that Ioannes views his specific enslavement as justified is because he sees racial, religious, and magical persecution as worse than slavery, and Giray is, to him, free from those (note that this might be wrong). This in turn, governs his view of the outside world. So, should Durin vent his contempt at Ioannes at the latter, Ioannes' response would be that Giray is one of the few nations free from [Insert Stuff Here], while even Waldenshore (he's going to ignore the justifications) is prejudiced against Magi.

And, yes, there is the fact that Ioannes was forced to renounce his faith at 13, not to be regained until 18. But that is rationalized by the fact that 1.) that applied only to Mamluks and Slave-Bureaucrats, 2.) Giray civilians are not bound by such resolutions, and 3.) the fact that that had a practical purpose, to prevent slaves from running away by denying them an afterlife should they die trying to escape (this might not be an accurate belief).

@The Harbinger of Ferocity, @Belwicket, @Jon Y, @The Fated Fallen, @Dragoknighte, @boomlover, @KazeXDZ, @IcePezz.

[boomlover]

@Letter Bee quistion why are you doing this ? not im annoyed just curious.

[Letter Bee]

@Letter Bee quistion why are you doing this ? not im annoyed just curious.

@boomlover

Because, when I showed Ioannes to one of my friends, I got into both constructive criticism and a debate; said debate consisting of: What makes Ioannes tick? Because as it stands now, without any elaboration on his psyche or his flaws, he would be a Marty Stu.

[IcePezz]

Are you looking for him to be debated and constructively criticized? Or a stamp of approval? Or just sharing?

Imo, you have every right to make your character however you'd like. If I thought he was lacking, or not suited for the rp, I would've said something.

[IcePezz]

I think he's fine, without any elaboration :)

[Letter Bee]

Are you looking for him to be debated and constructively criticized? Or a stamp of approval? Or just sharing?

Imo, you have every right to make your character however you'd like. If I thought he was lacking, or not suited for the rp, I would've said something.

@IcePezz

Just sharing, because my logic is that the thoughts on Ioannes, which are the outcome of my debates with my friend, are fascinating enough in and of themselves.

But, if you don't think they make good reading, just let me know.

[IcePezz]

Sorry to flood the ooc, I just sometimes stick my foot in my mouth.

My meaning was that you don't have to explain anything to me, I think he's just fine, and would rather enjoy the surprise and organic development of both the story and the characters.

[IcePezz]

@Letter Bee oh, that's fine then. That last bit I'll leave up to everyone else.

[Letter Bee]

@Letter Bee oh, that's fine then. That last bit I'll leave up to everyone else.

@IcePezz

Thanks!

[The Fated Fallen]

I posted!

Wait, I think I hear hell freezing over

[Letter Bee]

I posted!

Wait, I think I hear hell freezing over

@The Fated Fallen

Will post once @IcePezz does.

Also, Ioannes' lies can be detected that easily?

[The Fated Fallen]

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Will post once @IcePezz does.

Also, Ioannes' lies can be detected that easily?

@Letter Bee

I'm afraid so. Still, I've always considered being bad at lying a good thing

Of course he could just rub it off and say that blacksmiths and fletchers are synonymous in his land

[Letter Bee]

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I'm afraid so. Still, I've always considered being bad at lying a good thing

Of course he could just rub it off and say that blacksmiths and fletchers are synonymous in his land

@The Fated Fallen

Thanks!

Also, Tirriam forgot to introduce herself?

[The Fated Fallen]

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Thanks!

Also, Tirriam forgot to introduce herself?

@Letter Bee

I'm sure Tirrarian would give you a name and possibly a hug if you asked

[Letter Bee]

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I'm sure Tirrarian would give you a name and possibly a hug if you asked

@The Fated Fallen

Wrote that part of the draft post.

[IcePezz]

I may just post tomorrow. Sorry guys. I'm exhausted, haven't been feeling too well. I'll be around to chat, but I don't want to put up a half assed post.

[Letter Bee]

One Last Thing about Giray (That I will post here)

Ioannes believes that he gave up his freedom so that others can be free.

In Giray, or so Ioannes has been taught, Elves and Dwarves can marry, as well as Elves and Men and Halflings and Dwarves, and their children live unmolested. Even Witches are judged by the content of their character and not by, you know, being witches. Not merely that, but Giray civilians can believe or disbelieve whatever they want, work without fear of being denied equal pay because of their gender or race, and, well, let's just say that Giray is a good place to be a civilian, as long as you're willing to endorse and fund the Slave System that keeps you all safe.

So, a cornerstone of Ioannes' worldview/morality/whatever is that he does value freedom, but he also believes that his own is the price to pay for so many others to be free, and not just Girayid civilians, but also his own Hellene Relatives. Basically, The Needs of the Many outweigh his specific needs.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity, @Belwicket, @Jon Y, @The Fated Fallen, @Dragoknighte, @boomlover, @KazeXDZ, @IcePezz.

[IcePezz]

.... just so you know, Spock is one of my heroes

[Letter Bee]

.... just so you know, Spock is one of my heroes

@IcePezz

Why is that relevant?