[OOC] The New Frontier: A Marvel/DC One Universe RP

[FacePunch]

I personally liked Ultimate Cap. It was an interesting take on the character.

[Blue Demon]

I think the ultimates as a whole were just terrible. Sadly my library had quite a few of those issues.

Only thing good that came from it was Miles.

[Morden Man]

Eh, the Ultimates were interesting for about thirty seconds until it became clear every take on the character was to make them edgier.

There are ways to modernise things without making them grim and dystopian.

[Eddie Brock]

Ultimate Captain America would make a great Captain America villain. As a take on Steve Rogers, though, he's an abomination. Unless of course the intention was to create an Earth-3 evil duplicate counterpart, which I don't think was the case. Rather, Mark Millar decided that a modern retelling of Captain America should make him a racist, elitist, jingoistic asshat.

[Morden Man]

"Ultimate Captain America: What if Nuke was actually Captain America?"

[Blue Demon]

Ultimate Captain America would make a great Captain America villain.

@Eddie Brock

What'd you know. I'm writing a Cap story where the main villain IS Captain America. It's going to be awesome.

[Eddie Brock]

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What'd you know. I'm writing a Cap story where the main villain IS Captain America. It's going to be awesome.

@Blue Demon

Dude, spoilers!

[Blue Demon]

Different site. Not here. Spoiler free. <3

Ironically I'm playing three... No four different Caps right now. Possibly more later on...

[Eddie Brock]

@Blue Demon Close one.

[FacePunch]

My favorite retellings/elseworlds always make the heroes into villains, which might explain why I enjoy the Ultimates.

Except for Tony Stark. That guy is a freak of nature. His natural skin color is blue and his entire body is made up of brain material! I mean, what?!

[Morden Man]

@Blue Demon Whilst we're on the topic of Captain America...

[Vandy]

@Blue Demon Whilst we're on the topic of Captain America...

@Morden Man

Way to be passive aggressive.

[Bounce]

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True, although apparently Batman and Moon Knight can do predictions of gender based off of a combination of the weight distribution, height and potential age that you'd get off the Heely marks, the sword execution and the two gunshots.

@Dblade26

I like the analysis for the opportunity to dissect the scene.

I could see the gender prediction working in adults, where you have different BMI baselines. Preadolescence though gender is pretty indistinct. For the most part, a 10 year old boy and 10 year old girl are going be extremely similar in body shape and weight. In terms of forensic data, I'd think Damian would be indistinguishable from Hit-Girl.

[Blue Demon]

@Morden ManNooooo.



On a less dramatic note. I'll get to it before I go to bed. I won't make you suffer... Or should I?

[Morden Man]

Way to be passive aggressive.

@Vandy

Closed mouths don't get fed.

[Bounce]

So my question then becomes, if Batman or Captain America were introduced today would Robin/Bucky still exist?

@Lord Wraith

Kid Loki was introduced as a kind of Thor sidekick for Fear Itself and has his own fan following that rivals Lady Loki's. And I'd argue the Kid Loki storyline is one of the best told storylines that I've seen Marvel pull off in the last decade.

For a long time after Death in the Family, we didn't have a Robin. Tim was added and people are still upset that he's not Robin currently (isn't he still Robin in Batman & Robin Eternal though)? Damian came along and had this instant like him/hate him effect, which has followed the character throughout DCU, New 52, and whatever we're calling the state of DC comics today (50 fucking retcons later...) And they killed Damian and that had its own polarizing effect on the fan base, but at the end of the day people were still demanding that there be a Robin. They're just split on whether Robin should be Tim or Damian (and then there's the Steph and Kelly Carrie fans)

So, to answer the question, I think the answer to the question is still yes. Young heroes have always stood on their own, from Jim Hawking in Treasure Island to Billy Batson in Captain Marvel to Louise Simonson creating an entire superhero team composed of 12 and under characters (Power Pack, which ran in its own series from 84-92). At the same time, the sidekick has become iconic and the young sidekick is just another trope related to that.

[Bounce]

Oh hush, this is her current outfit anyway. As you can see it is much more practical!

Hider

@Vandy

She's Kryptonian.

While I've read different theories about the aura of deus ex GODMODEWTF that prevents their suits from tearing under normal circumstances, the fact is that their bodies are more indestructible than anything they'd wear. So, but for the .0000000001% chance of a piece of Krypton happening to survive re-entry to Earth, they could pretty much go naked and it still be practical. Not modest. But still practical.

[Vandy]

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She's Kryptonian.

While I've read different theories about the aura of deus ex GODMODEWTF that prevents their suits from tearing under normal circumstances, the fact is that their bodies are more indestructible than anything they'd wear. So, but for the .0000000001% chance of a piece of Krypton happening to survive re-entry to Earth, they could pretty much go naked and it still be practical. Not modest. But still practical.

@Bounce

Someone contact the DC artists, we have a new costume design.

[Gowi]

Please don't over-sexualize Kara more than she already has been.

[Bounce]

@Gowi

I fear your request may be overcome by the fact that every female character since the 1970's has been depicted as possessing a D cup minimum bust size.

I recall the letters to the editor section of an Uncanny X-Men comic in the 90's calling them out on that, and the editors reply be to point out that most of the character designs of the 90's revamp of the franchise had been drawn up by one of their female illustrators.