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> Vin, Sophia - Aboard the MOS

The next morning – a word carrying little meaning in a place with no natural day-night cycle – Vin checked out of his cheap lodgings and stepped out into the Haven district’s bustling corridor-streets, wheeling a metal box with all that he owned behind him. The zone, which by virtue of housing the docking bays handled all incoming and outgoing traffic, was cut off from the rest of MOS by customs, but despite the barrier it managed to sustain a teeming life of its own. Busy workers wheeled goods to and from their ships, exotic smells wafted from food booths where hawkers peddled fresh-cooked meals, and drunks stumbled past in search of a place to lie down – or perhaps another drink. Neon lights and adverts covered every wall, enticing passers-by with promises of alcohol, entertainment, a “massage”, or perhaps a dubious curio allegedly from Derelict’s surface. All this was made possible by the steady influx of travelers and freighters, their crews weary and looking for diversion after weeks aboard their cramped ships.

As Vin made his way past the throngs of transients amidst the MOS Customs area, his augmented eye caught the fleeting impression of a familiar color: a gleaming, ghostly white. Hard to mistake for anyone else, he could not help but recognize the woman who had made such an unlikeable impression on him the day before, and whom was also assigned to be his physician for the coming weeks, perhaps even months. Flanked by a pair of tracked transportation units, each burdened with a multitude of sturdy metal boxes, she was being accosted by a pair of customs officers who appeared rather interested in her cargo. Facing them with crossed arms, Vin did not need to see her face to know that she was less than satisfied with their treatment of her.

He came to a stop behind her, locked the wheels on his box, and used it as a makeshift chair. White-hairs seemed busy enough, and he didn’t particularly want to get dragged into her argument. He could wait, at least for a little while. Her papers should be fine, she’d get through eventually. His hand was forced, though, when she glanced over her shoulder at him.

“Morning,” he greeted her without much enthusiasm, trailing off into a lazy yawn. His cover had been blown.

“Don’t yawn in people’s faces,” Sophia scoffed at him. Try as she might, it was impossible to withhold her comment. After all, she had been taught this when she was a child no more than six years old. Mankind’s etiquette really was on the decline, that much was certain. “Would you care to explain to this lovely gentleman that I’m registered with Origin? It doesn’t show up on the ID scan and I am this close to giving him my lawyer’s contact and trespassing anyway.”

“Yeah, yeah, sorry,” he apologized from his perch, not sounding very apologetic at all. “D’Agenais gave you a slate yesterday, it should be on that.”

“I’m supposed to present a nondescript slate as opposed to my ID?” she sounded incredulous. Fuming, pursing her lips, she fumbled in her light beige coat’s pockets until she fished out the object in question. “Check this then and stop wasting my time,” she spat at the officer in front of her, pushing the data slate towards him. Much like Vin had suspected, it only took the man a moment before he was able to confirm her status and its associated authorizations. Much unlike Vin had expected, this only worsened her mood.

This time, she restrained herself and refused to comment as she snatched the data slate from the uncertain officer’s hands. “Have a good day, m’am,” he bid her, even though she was already busy directing her two robots forward. The relief was obvious on his and his partner’s faces as they let her pass and directed their attention to Vin. Work protocol alone held him back from saying ‘Thank you’.

“Moody, isn’t she,” Vin mumbled as he presented ID and slate, a familiar procedure for one as well travelled as he. “Here. Need anything else?”

They didn’t; upon making sure his papers were in order, Vin was let through without much hassle. He grabbed his stuff and followed after Sophia, maintaining just enough distance to avoid having to make conversation. She seemed to be in a foul mood, and he had a feeling saying anything to her would just make it fouler.

Separated by the pretense of being strangers, they nonetheless took the same turns at each intersection, their silent distance to each other becoming more stilted and awkward with every rounded corner as the crowds dispersed. Being in the lead, Sophia appeared to know the station well at a glance, never looking at a map to know which way to go. Observing her from behind – for a lack of other things to do – he eventually realized that she wasn’t leading the way at all, and was instead following the directions her droids were navigating towards. Besides the odd, sideways glance at her large cargo, their journey was otherwise uneventful. That was, until they reached an elevator. After having navigated her two robots inside and placing herself next to them, she stared at Vin through narrowed eyes.

“I’m not infected, you know.”

“You seemed a bit upset,” he shrugged and flashed her a rueful smile. “Thought I’d let you simmer down for a bit.”

“So you prefer avoiding conflict,” she dryly noted, perhaps to herself, perhaps towards him. Then, pulling out her note block from inside her coat, she continued: “Vincent Marlowe, correct? Robotics expert.” She was skimming over her notes on the man and already began putting down her pen to add additional comments. “I am Sophia Arietta Hagiotheodorites; you may call me Sophia.” Even as she looked him squarely in the eyes, her note-taking continued; was she even writing anything coherent?

“Software,” he corrected her, and continued: “So, you’re the medical officer, huh? Let’s hope we won’t end up needing your services.”

“Name’s Vin,” he added, smiling, and held out his hand. “Though you already knew that.”

“Hmpf,” she sneered with an arrogant smile, “You’re mistaken if you think of me as a mere nurse. Did you know I made my doctorate in gene sequencing? I’ve been called a prodigy in the field, in fact, and yours is the once-in-a-lifetime chance to make use of my talents entirely free of charge. Many should hope to be so lucky as to require my services.” Vin’s hand remained awkwardly unshaken.

“Very well, your highness,” he replied dryly and transitioned from attempted handshake into a bow, imbuing the gesture with all the sarcastic theatricality he could muster. “I shall endeavor to get shot at once for the privilege.”

Sophia’s pen abruptly stopped its incessant note-taking and her smile vanished as quickly as it came. “Don’t be an ass, Vincent,” she scolded him sternly. ”I came to Derelict so that I might advance humanity, not to apply band-aids. Surely you can respect that? Do you have a better reason for being here?”

Having seemingly lost the mood for scribbling, she stuffed her paper bloc back into its designated slot inside her coat.

“Your cause is admirable, I’ll give you that,” he shrugged. “I don’t have any high and mighty motives like yours, though. I just follow my whims and take life one step at a time.”

Vin had a hard time believing anyone claiming to be driven by such lofty goals; in his experience, their real reasons were often much more mundane and personal. No one was so pure that they’d give themselves fully to an ideal. Most of all, though, he just thought she sounded way too full of herself to give her the benefit of the doubt.

“One can only hope that your craft is better than your motivation,” Sophia mused dismissively. Then, straightening some loose strains of ashen hair, she continued: “But let’s not get off on a bad foot now. We’re here on a mission, not for pleasure.”

“Fair,” he replied with a disarming half-smile. “Let’s call a truce.”

A gentle beep announced their arrival at the chosen floor, whereupon the elevator doors unceremoniously opened up. Sophia’s transporters immediately seized the lead and rolled out; the irritated doctor followed. Vin struggled for a moment with an uncooperative wheel, but he soon caught up.

“So, anything in particular you’re hoping to learn here?” he asked as he pulled up next to Sophia. “Big hunk of metal seems like it might fall outside the traditional study of genetics.”

The fair-haired doctor only cast a short glance his way. “The machine, yes, but nobody is discarding the possibility that we can find traces of its creators. If xenobiologists are about to get their hands on samples of the first sentient, alien species encountered in human history, I want to be among them. Besides, we find ourselves on the bleeding edge of technology here; what better environment than this to advance my studies in genetic enhancement?”

“I brought my lab with me for exactly this reason,” she added, nodding towards one of her transportation units.

“Finding the creators would be something, all right.” Vin fell quiet, losing himself in thought as they maneuvered through a crowded intersection.

“It’s weird though, isn’t it?” he continued as they emerged on the other side. “People have been at it for two years and they still haven’t found a trace. What happened to them?”

“We lack concrete data to form any sort of speculation,” Sophia shrugged impassionately. “Perhaps they uploaded themselves into a digital consciousness. Or maybe their machine creation wiped them out. It’s even conceivable that there were no organics at all involved in the artifact’s creation. Whether we are about to learn a cautionary tale or not, to know, we must go deeper.”

“We’ll have to rely on one another to accomplish that, I suppose,” she later added after a brief pause. Was that fatigue in her voice, or resignation?

“No other choice, huh,” Vin pretend-sighed through a light-hearted smile. “We sure have it rough.”

The corridors were narrow here, Vin noted, having to fall behind Sophia to let a suit-clad passers-by through. Everything was painted sterile white, uncannily clean and utterly bare save for corporate logos adorning the occasional high-sec door. It was a heavy contrast to the lively passageways they’d walked on their way here, with their neon lights and tacky advertisements and bustling crowds of people from all walks of life. Here, it seemed, walked only corporate suits and drab-clad bureaucrats, their approach betrayed by echoes of hurried steps in hard-soled shoes. It was an oppressive, soulless atmosphere – as if once they donned their uniforms and headed for work, they left themselves at the door. Places like these always made Vin feel ill-at-ease.

He trailed quietly behind Sophia for a while, taking note of a few familiar names along the way: MRS, their metallic colleagues’ overlords; as well as Mercury – which from the pieces Vin could gather, Cass seemed to have a pretty strained relationship with. They passed by a dozen more heavy, uninviting doors, stamped with the names of corporations big and bigger, until they finally came upon the twin offices of Origin and their Stellar Fleet side by side.
Okay this is weird. Even *I* am fairly sure I posted it at some point because I really like the song. But I can't find the reference either. What the hell? oO

Jack's opinion on the char tab has basically been: he prefers editing the OP with links to wherever we posted them originally, but isn't averse to you putting your character in the char tab. Correct me if I recalled that wrong ^^
Will think on it some more, but generally take the details of my prior theory with a grain of salt; it was pretty much a flow of consciousness-kind of thing. I practically made it up as I went. I'll most likely change my mind about some things as well in time, it was just what I thought of in the moment.


Of course; hopefully I didn't come across as contentious. I was mostly trying to be a counterpoint, or an anvil upon which to refine your thoughts. I'll also try to be a bit more open minded when it comes to things I personally believe are guaranteed to be gameplay contrivances in the future.

As for dogs and crows (and animals in general, I guess), no, they almost certainly haven't received blood treatment... but it's probably not too outlandish to figure that they could have gotten Old Blood, and possibly associated blood echoes, from feeding on corpses.


I also thought of this possibility, but I also have to wonder... *all of them*? And also, can we say for sure that nibbling on the corpse of someone who has the old blood is enough to transmit, ehm, Yharnamism? It seems like it might be the case. But if it is, that also means that animals could transform into beasts, right? And if we assume that, then it begs the question of what those beasts would be like. Humans, for some reason, turn into wolf-like things. ...So what would happen if a wolf became a beast? Likely it would not become a man, disturbing as that might be. Maybe the fire dog in the old labyrinth sheds some light on this. Yet if that thing is a beast, it's also interesting that the Pthumerians have been able to domesticate it to an extent - it appears to be guarding their sanctum, after all. As for the crows, I have a feeling you already have something in mind.
“Oh,” she softly mouthed, casting her gentle gaze downward. Of course she could not expect a hunter to have any interest in curing the scourge. If one defined oneself by the hammer they wield, every problem will, sooner or later, begin to look like a nail. She, however, refused to give up so easily. While a hunter might be born to hunt and to kill, she was a blood saint. She was born to heal and rejuvenate, and by the gods she would –

A piercing screech unlike anything she had ever heard before rolled over the city and made the young maiden’s knees buckle. Barely holding on to her staff, Adelicia shrank more and more as the scream continued, eventually shutting her eyes and pushing out cold, frightful tears. Her entire body was stiff and shivering even after the horrible noise had stopped. When she finally opened her eyes again, she figured that the terror she just felt would linger in her bones for the rest of her life. With big eyes, like those of a startled kitten, she looked from Victor to Provostus and back, seeking answers. She did not think to wipe the pair of tears from her pale cheeks.

Mercy, however, was in short supply it seemed. Victor’s idea for a cure and his cold, barbaric presentation of it made her feel physically sick. Grimacing with disgust, she averted her eyes from the hunters. Hammers and nails, indeed! The church was cultivating monsters to fight monsters, combating evil by creating a greater one. They had to be wrong. She wanted them to be wrong. The idea that there was no other choice for this city but to continue its endless cycle of beast outbreaks and subsequent purgation was outrageous to her. How anyone could accept such a state of perpetual violence was utterly beyond her, and Victor’s attitude towards the matter was enough to make her feel angry – a feeling she had not felt for many years. His last remark about the upcoming battle – if the term could be applied – turned her knuckles white underneath her gloves.

“I suppose you’ll get what you want, then,” she defiantly half-whispered to herself, still looking away from him and fixating the sleeping giant and descending elevator. Adelicia immediately felt pangs of regret, and she did not know what came over herself to step so out of line. The stress must be going to her head. Perhaps she was lucky that something more urgent than her little display of insolence caught the hunter’s attention and set him on edge as he spun toward the approaching elevator. Made uneasy by the hunter’s evident agitation, the three of them quickly established that there was nothing behind the elevator’s opening doors. Unrest turned to relief, if only for a moment, for as soon as the first step forward had been made another cry filled the air, this one less harrowing than the Cleric Beast’s, but still enough to make the blood saint visibly jolt. Slowly, the meaning of a ‘night of the hunt’ was beginning to dawn on her. It was not a mere sortie of hunters to find and slay the odd beast. Everywhere around her, things were turning into beasts or losing their minds. Was anywhere even safe anymore? Would anyone be spared? Would even she turn into a beast as the night went on? It was dizzying to think about.

Adelicia flinched when she heard Victor’s voice but she quickly regained her senses. By now she had a feeling that the hunter would not care about her feelings on the matter, but she wanted to speak up regardless, perhaps driven by what frustrations still bubbled in her mind.

“You can’t just kill him,” she pleaded with a furrowed brow, “he’s a church servant like you and me. But,” she added, casting a sidelong glance at the creature, “I also think he’ll slow us down. Just leave the giant alone. We need to reach this clinic as fast as we can.”
I'm going to play devil's advocate here if you'll indulge me, as I cannot really overcome my bias against blood echoes. The first point I want to make is that Rom's defeat is a game state trigger for a metric ton of things. The Doll's voice line being just one of them, I don't know that we can necessarily say that it is directly aimed at making commentary on Rom's blood echoes. It's easily imaginable that the designers figured "Okay, it's the halfway point in the game, player probably has a bunch of blood echoes by now. Seems appropriate to put the line in here", and they used Rom's death as the trigger to make it appear. In other words, the Doll doesn't so much say it in response to Rom's death as she does to the passage of time that has elapsed so far. To support my point, I would also point toward how killing Gascoigne makes the sun descend, and how killing Amelia turns dusk into night. Surely nobody would argue that it is their deaths that caused this, but simply a gameplay contrivance to advance the time of day in relation to the player's progress in the game. In a similar vein, I think Rom's death is simply the trigger for a bunch of new things in the game. Maybe I'm selling From short but for all their genius in world building, I think they frequently do make gameplay concessions; Souls titles are not story-driven games, so I feel that much of the things we are presented with have to be taken with a grain of salt. I also wonder what the line is like in the original Japanese script, and whether it would have a different implication.

Second, I'm not sure why you conclude (or posit the theory) that all blood echoes represent the lingering will of the great ones. While it is certainly plausible that a trace of their will would be present in anyone treated with the old blood since it is literally the blood of the old ones being injected into you, I don't see why we should discredit the wills of the dying. Both the Jap and English descriptions for Echoes, which you quoted, to me sound a lot like they are implying that the dying wishes of a recently deceased linger on for a while, like a ghost. Ghosts too are often said to linger in the mortal world because there is some unfinished business they left behind, so the comparison is really apt. Moreover, I also don't think the theory holds water because some of the things we kill, I find doubtful that there is even any connection to great ones. For instance, take wild animals - dogs and crows. I find it a bit difficult to imagine that they have all been treated with blood ministration, and I'm not sure how else they would have "acquired" ancient blood echoes otherwise.

That said, I like the link you establish at the end, that it is something in people's veins that drives them mad during the blood moon, and not just the mere closeness of the moon (which is definitely coming nearer) and a weakening of the barrier between worlds. I also like that it would soothe the doll, while driving others insane. Also worth pointing out that the song Winter Lanterns (whose ties to the Doll are undeniable) sing is pretty "soothing" if you listen to it, and we all know what happens when you are exposed to them.
Her left arm doesn't just have the weird feather thing but also seems to have no resemblence to a human hand at all anymore.

As for the missing leg, yeah I did notice that, thanks to some video a few years ago. It gets even more interesting when you consider a tiny tidbit on the Old Hunter Trousers: A widespread belief of the period was that "beast blood crept up the right leg," and this led to the double-wrapped belt.
Hey people, I randomly found this image on Pinterest earlier and thought it was really cool. Figured I'd share it since it's relevant:
There, short but gets the story moving forward again. :3
Yharnamites? Adelicia repeated in her thoughts. Somehow the idea that men, not beasts, caused this display of violence made it even worse. There were certain expectations men and beasts were held to; that the latter be a helpless slave to its hideous cravings and the former a moral being, beholden to the laws of civility. To see the one act like the other was a terror she could not put into words. Fear the Old Blood, they always said – she could see why. The Scourge came from the Old Blood and it was the ruin of man. For how many years was Yharnam beset by this plague? And when she thought of the devastation that the last great hunt had caused, she had to question if the church was right to continue meddling with the blood. Could anything good come from it? Was the all-cure that ran in her veins truly worth the price they all were paying for it? A shudder descended her spine and returned her to her senses.

The blood saint slowly approached the two hunters again with dainty, measured steps, ever careful not to come too close to the body. What detail she had spied from afar was more than enough for her sensibilities, and she had no desire to see it from up close. All her thinking on the nature of the scourge and the blood sparked a curious thought that she, without truly considering it, felt the need to blurt out when she was close enough to the hunters to look up at their grim faces: “Can the Scourge be cured? Is there any way at all for a man to come back from it?”

So fascinated was she in the prospect that, perhaps, not all who became thralls to the Scourge were lost, that she forgot to guard herself from Victor’s menacing eyes and looked him straight in the face. Her blood was a panacea that could cleanse any ailment in the world – by what irony was it also the root of a disease more horrible than all of them? There must be something that can be done, something other than slaughter. There had to be.
Yo. I actually thought I'd give Bart a chance to make a post since it's been a bit since his last, but if you want me to go ahead I can do so, no problem. Gonna try and squeeze one in before the year's over in that case.
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