Without the influence of outside factors which aren't part of chemical reactions and don't follow physical laws, like supernatural things and without a higher civilization messing around with space/time and the universe in general then yeah, the universe is deterministic or predetermined as you might say.
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So you open the door and enter your bathroom,wash your hands for 20sec then close the door when u leave.Right, you touched the doorknob before and after the washing.The faucet too. It's all pointless.
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The only thing I'm "sad" about is that the way my life is going, it's going to be a hellride with a disappointing and unfulfilling end. My road is set ahead of me and I feel powerless to achieve what I desire or even have peace of mind. Time is taken from me whilst my by the day depleting will for change and something better is draining away with it.-Someone actually wrote that.
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Yeah I'm certain that you can predict anything with enough data of cause-effects that influence something. Hell, with a device that can let you read minds, another device that can read a dna and know exactly the type of personality and thought pattern, emotion etc that person has and many other devices calculating many other data and an advanced super computer to simulate while taking all that data into account you can predict the future of humanity down to the last pebble that is kicked away by someone walking in the streets.
Randomness comes out of our incapability to predict or know why something or someone decided to do that/went down that path/took that action. But saying that everything is predictable doesn't really make it any easier predicting so until we reach that point, which will never happen, it will be called randomness.
And my point when I used "randomness" and "free will" was to underline the fact that however unpredictable the choice you make is, even if it is affected by things outside of chemical reactions and physical laws, the truest sense of randomness, completely unpredictable, it doesn't change the fact that it is predestined in this timeline. The road is set and no matter in which part of the path you are, there is only one path to follow in this timeline.
I still don't get how God=/=predestination. I thought everyone would make that connection.
Randomness comes out of our incapability to predict or know why something or someone decided to do that/went down that path/took that action. But saying that everything is predictable doesn't really make it any easier predicting so until we reach that point, which will never happen, it will be called randomness.
And my point when I used "randomness" and "free will" was to underline the fact that however unpredictable the choice you make is, even if it is affected by things outside of chemical reactions and physical laws, the truest sense of randomness, completely unpredictable, it doesn't change the fact that it is predestined in this timeline. The road is set and no matter in which part of the path you are, there is only one path to follow in this timeline.
I still don't get how God=/=predestination. I thought everyone would make that connection.
@Fractured "Randomness is the lack of pattern or predictability in events." as seen from someone in the present facing such randomness as he doesn't know the future. But after knowing the future there is no randomness as you know everything and how it will end up.
At the moment when you select a choice, select an action, that is totally random at that moment as you see it from the perspective of someone in the present. After that moment, the choice is already made and there is no more randomness. So tell me, if you go back to a state in time and have the exact same thoughts, be in the exact same state where everything is the exact same, how could you pick something else besides the choice you already made before going back in time? The choice was made of your own free will and you decided to pick that exact choice so why would it change?
Why would the movement of molecules, particles, energy waves etc etc change if the universe is reset? True, they were completely random at start, no real lines connecting any of them and you didn't know what would come but for someone in the future who knows what is to come and what is to transpire, there are lines connecting everything. You could randomly pick letters and numbers like 1/2/g/s/H/6, totally random right? But for someone in the future who knows what you pick there are lines connecting those choices, a sequence.
Why would the movement of molecules, particles, energy waves etc etc change if the universe is reset? True, they were completely random at start, no real lines connecting any of them and you didn't know what would come but for someone in the future who knows what is to come and what is to transpire, there are lines connecting everything. You could randomly pick letters and numbers like 1/2/g/s/H/6, totally random right? But for someone in the future who knows what you pick there are lines connecting those choices, a sequence.
@Nimda *Sigh* Yes, randomness. And everything is decided by randomness, and yes there is free will as I already established in my previous posts. But all those patterns of randomness, in the end, they line up to something and those patterns that have formed, out of free will and/or out of randomness, they have formed no matter what did it so they are set in stone and predestined to happen. So no matter how many times you turn back time and press the "play" button, they will happen the exact.same.way.
SO tell me this, if we went back 10 years, what possible reason would anyone have to do anything differently from whatever went through history? Tell me the most minuscule action that could be done differently by anyone so as to go against history and why in the world would they do it so?
SO tell me this, if we went back 10 years, what possible reason would anyone have to do anything differently from whatever went through history? Tell me the most minuscule action that could be done differently by anyone so as to go against history and why in the world would they do it so?
@Fractured This universe, within this timeline and the patterns that have brought us here, if everything went the exact same way affected by the exact same forces in the beginning then yes, everything would play out the same.
@Fractured I wasn't doubting the existence of free will, I was saying that predestination is how this world works. All the choices you make out of your own free will, they all gather up and if you see them from the future as memories, all those choices you made, from the point you're standing in the future, they are set in stone and as so they are set in stone from the beginning. Really don't know how to explain it better.
The dominoes can choose to fall their own way but no matter how many times you replay that falling, without you, yourself, changing anything they will fall the same over and over again. No matter how many time it repeats, the falling patter won't change without an outside force influencing them.
Karma is a lie...selfish and greedy people who become rich and happy at the expense of others usually are just that, rich and happy.
The dominoes can choose to fall their own way but no matter how many times you replay that falling, without you, yourself, changing anything they will fall the same over and over again. No matter how many time it repeats, the falling patter won't change without an outside force influencing them.
Karma is a lie...selfish and greedy people who become rich and happy at the expense of others usually are just that, rich and happy.
@Fractured I'm saying that the things that have happened, happen and will happen in this world are predestined to happen. If you take time out of equation, again, you have a bunch of events, a bunch of choices and actions that define the people in this world, define us, make us unique compared to other worlds and timelines. All these choices are made on free will, they are made by us but in the end, from someone who looks back on these choices from the future, they are set on stone and as such they are also set on stone right now and they have been set on stone from the beginning of time.
I don't see how you, and many Christians, reject predestination when you believe in God. God=predestination. He has seen everything that will and has been, he has set everything in motion and he has the power to change anything he wants. God isn't affected by time and as so past, present and future don't matter to him.
Say, if you buy 100.000.000 dominoes and put them in their places, you form a giant construct. You also have a vision of a future where you tip the dominoes and you see that because of bad positioning 10.000 of them are still left standing. At that moment you have the choice to fix them so they all fall or just let them stand. You can also freeze time so in the middle of everything falling you can snatch some dominoes or simply just use your hand to swipe everything off the ground. Limitless possibilities all at your fingertips
Dominoes served as analogy to humans but since humans can change their "falling pattern" it just means there are more futures but it is the same in principle. Everything was made by God and was set in motion by him. He also knows every outcome and can change it at His whim. Now if that isn't predestination I don't know what is.
And for the last part, how isn't it a good vs evil thing? Since God is kind and all that is good and he separates the good people from the bad ones, doesn't that mean that he clearly favors one side? As such, why doesn't he help every good human in earth and cause bad luck to fall upon the evil people? No, he just treats everyone the same in Earth but after that, you may be right for all I know or care. No personal examples you could give would change that. If it was true that that good people who do good deeds get more good luck it would be known worldwide by now.
I don't see how you, and many Christians, reject predestination when you believe in God. God=predestination. He has seen everything that will and has been, he has set everything in motion and he has the power to change anything he wants. God isn't affected by time and as so past, present and future don't matter to him.
Say, if you buy 100.000.000 dominoes and put them in their places, you form a giant construct. You also have a vision of a future where you tip the dominoes and you see that because of bad positioning 10.000 of them are still left standing. At that moment you have the choice to fix them so they all fall or just let them stand. You can also freeze time so in the middle of everything falling you can snatch some dominoes or simply just use your hand to swipe everything off the ground. Limitless possibilities all at your fingertips
Dominoes served as analogy to humans but since humans can change their "falling pattern" it just means there are more futures but it is the same in principle. Everything was made by God and was set in motion by him. He also knows every outcome and can change it at His whim. Now if that isn't predestination I don't know what is.
And for the last part, how isn't it a good vs evil thing? Since God is kind and all that is good and he separates the good people from the bad ones, doesn't that mean that he clearly favors one side? As such, why doesn't he help every good human in earth and cause bad luck to fall upon the evil people? No, he just treats everyone the same in Earth but after that, you may be right for all I know or care. No personal examples you could give would change that. If it was true that that good people who do good deeds get more good luck it would be known worldwide by now.
@Fractured We have a free will to take different roads and different paths and that is what has created those insurmountable other worlds where we follow other paths. But in this world, our paths are already decided, the things that make this world unique are set in stone as looked upon by God. We, ourselves , have already performed actions of our free will that led to the creation of this world so in a way it is predestination but also free will if you know what I mean. Kinda mixing how you would see the past present and future of this world in one go where you get time out of the equation but also that those actions, although set in stone are chosen by our own free will.
Anyway the main point was that whatever good thing is planned to happen to you, it has already happened, it is set in stone. There is no past present or future for God so whatever he has given you out of kindness it has/will happen. Everything is written. The only thing praying to God will do is...well I think absolutely nothing unless he took the praying people gave Him into account when he put this Grand Plan of humanity's creation into motion.
We all know that in the afterlife they are treated like polar opposites but I was typing about here, on Earth. Tell me one constant fact, one example where bad and evil people have bad luck while good people have only good things happen to them.
Anyway the main point was that whatever good thing is planned to happen to you, it has already happened, it is set in stone. There is no past present or future for God so whatever he has given you out of kindness it has/will happen. Everything is written. The only thing praying to God will do is...well I think absolutely nothing unless he took the praying people gave Him into account when he put this Grand Plan of humanity's creation into motion.
The problem with that argument is that it assumes the good and the bad are treated equally by God. They're not.
We all know that in the afterlife they are treated like polar opposites but I was typing about here, on Earth. Tell me one constant fact, one example where bad and evil people have bad luck while good people have only good things happen to them.
Well here is the thing about predestination, how am I looking it from my angle anyway. God knows how everything will go and how it will all happen. There might be millions of roads and timelines that the world could follow and God has seen and knows them all. But here is the thing, we ourselves, are stuck in this timeline even if there exists a timeline where we do something different and get different results. Hear me out.
Just take time out of the equation. The things that we do in one universe or parallel world belong to that world so for that world we do certain actions that separate us and differentiate us from our clone in another world and every time we make a choice, know that our clone in another world has taken the other choice.
Now for this world we are in, we make choices that separate us from the other ones, we follow a course that makes us unique in the decisions that we take. Wouldn't you agree with that? So in a way, our fate is already decided in this world if we take time out of the equation. In the eyes of God, he knows what will happen in this world, what will happen to everyone in it, the special things and actions that separate it from the other ones. He knows that you won't pick option A but pick option D in this world, in this timeline.
The decisions you make may create many numerous roads and timelines which have their own clone worlds and people, where you are included and where you make another decision. But the point is, God has created and planned every single road and he knows which one you will take as time is nothing for him so in a way it IS already decided as how can you pick an action that goes outside of God's plan? How can you pick an action, how can you do something which God has not seen or foretold?
Ok, so God is the source of all good things. Doesn't add anything since I claimed that he views everyone the same and helps evil people and good people alike so he isn't really "kind". Doing a small goodness to someone who has had a long life of hardships isn't showing kindness, it's like waving a 200$ piece of beef in front of a homeless man so he can smell it and wonder how good life could've been if God truly cared about him and showed him kindness.
Just take time out of the equation. The things that we do in one universe or parallel world belong to that world so for that world we do certain actions that separate us and differentiate us from our clone in another world and every time we make a choice, know that our clone in another world has taken the other choice.
Now for this world we are in, we make choices that separate us from the other ones, we follow a course that makes us unique in the decisions that we take. Wouldn't you agree with that? So in a way, our fate is already decided in this world if we take time out of the equation. In the eyes of God, he knows what will happen in this world, what will happen to everyone in it, the special things and actions that separate it from the other ones. He knows that you won't pick option A but pick option D in this world, in this timeline.
The decisions you make may create many numerous roads and timelines which have their own clone worlds and people, where you are included and where you make another decision. But the point is, God has created and planned every single road and he knows which one you will take as time is nothing for him so in a way it IS already decided as how can you pick an action that goes outside of God's plan? How can you pick an action, how can you do something which God has not seen or foretold?
Ok, so God is the source of all good things. Doesn't add anything since I claimed that he views everyone the same and helps evil people and good people alike so he isn't really "kind". Doing a small goodness to someone who has had a long life of hardships isn't showing kindness, it's like waving a 200$ piece of beef in front of a homeless man so he can smell it and wonder how good life could've been if God truly cared about him and showed him kindness.
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