Dias Blade

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@Dias Blade I think the problem we have right now is that even if we were to agree on a course of action, no one would be able to follow through with it. I'm running 2 RPs, and I doubt I could host a contest at the same time. Everyone else seems too busy as well. Reforming the PVP point system would be fine, but we'd need Mahz to code that in. So basically it's unlikely going to happen.

So all that's really left to do is participate in fights and hope activity goes up. Thing is, I'm not really interested in doing a fight where the characters can bench press small cars, outrun the worlds fastest mammals, and have powers that are on anime meme levels of absurdity. Even if I found a fight that looked good, I still might not participate if I think I'm not going to get along with my opponent.

So I'm just gunna keep being quiet until I see something that interests me.

Oh, and there's a writing contest going on.

@BrokenPromise

To be fair, I would assume it be up to the forum staff to manage such things. There were a few comments previously where it was basically amounting to telling normal forum members to be the ones to perform the logistical and administrative procedures. At all the places I've been either a Mod or Admin, that wasn't how things worked. The community was free to present feedback on things and if there was a strong enough push for something, myself and the others would take said ideas, write them up in a formal sense and then present the draft back to the community for a vote. But aside from that, the staff were the only ones expected to do the work because that was our job.

Infrastructure is the most important thing, that's the system you invent to manage the community to relieve your own work load the more streamlined you make it.

In regards to what you said about finding a suitable fight in the Arena for yourself, you could just start up a thread for it and in the OOC include your own list of Character Limits/Requirements so that you can narrow down the sort of battle experience you're interested in having for whatever suits you and your play style the most.

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<Snipped quote by LeeRoy>
They only want to argue.

@ImportantNobody

I'm inclined to agree. I even proposed a constructive manner in which to begin making legitimate progress on potential revisions/changes and such has gone largely ignored. So I can only assume people were never actually interested in doing something worthwhile.

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@Rilla
Perhaps it would be prudent to create a new thread for this particular discussion. As opposed to there being an argument, people can simply put forth their ideas and then after like 72 hours or a week or so, can compile everything and then put it to a vote. Public Polling. That way no one has to guess at just how many actually want said changes since there will be hard numbers. The Poll could be multiple votes too, then say like any ideas that got at least 10 or 20 votes can then go up for Public Debate.

Those who are for said ideas can present their arguments in the Debate, and then those who stand opposed can make their counter arguments. And can give each side an opportunity to respond once or twice. Then close the Debate and conduct voting to determine which side won said debate. If the people agree said idea should be implemented, then it can then be ratified.

That's my suggestion, at any rate.

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..aaand that’s why people think Arena is toxic...

@Bartimaeus

Actually, I'd say the non-responses with memes or just general acting in a disrespectful manner is a more precise display of toxic behavior. You'll notice, Mobius was responding to Inkarnate. What reason did Tex have to make that post?

Trolling is toxic. Its pretty easy to sort out who is Trolling and who isn't. If you say something or make a point to someone, if you're honestly trying to be civil and have productive dialogue then I think everyone can agree that the response given to you should be intellectual and not disingenuous. That's why when I see accusations of "Arena being toxic" but I'm sitting her observing those not really from the Arena exhibiting actual toxic behavior, it A) hurts their credibility and B) doesn't encourage showing respect.

Respect is a two way street.

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What were those reasons?

I found something called the "New Beginnings" tournament. Do you think that was it?
Can you remember how long ago it was? The pages only go back 5 years, which I assume is related to what folks have been calling GuildFall. But I was under the impression said tournament in question happened after the server crash.

EDIT: Ah, so it was the New Beginnings one. Mmk.

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I just asked a question. Would appreciate an answer.

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I've been looking back through the Arena pages and can't find this Newby Tournament that keeps being referenced. Was it called something else?

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@Dias Blade

The newby tourney brought in new blood from other sections, and almost everyone hides their arena stats, that's a fact. full stop.

@BrokenPromise

1: I don't think bringing in people from other sections of the same site would count as "new blood."
2: Folks hiding their arena states just further solidifies the point I made about it.
3: Full stop what? O_o

The gauntlet mode you proposed sounds just like every fight I've had outside of arena. I actually did something like that in my DR RP, where I controlled 8 highly trained robots and their superbot. The 20 other player characters had to create a plan that minimized casualties and would allow them to take down the superbot. Some of them fought poorly and got themselves or others killed.

Kay...sounds like they failed said challenge then. I'm not entirely sure what the point is of that anecdote, I mean do you have a link to this thing? I feel like it would be better for to just see the setup for myself rather than ask for the details.

This approach seems to have worked for the rest of the forum.

To be fair, that's pretty standard policy for like any forum, not just RP related. Like if you want new people to come and stick around its just logical not to throw your weight around and treat them like crap. Actually that concept is true for life in general. Though when I see people make that assertion about this particular Arena, Iunno. I mean I've seen people give equal to if not more so attitude in the other sections as well.

Consider for a moment that there isn't actually a toxicity problem here. By someone's admission, the Newby Tournament brought in randos from other parts of this forum to the Arena, but that was just a temporary thing. I'm going to assume that such effort was also assisted by those who were likewise already established in said other sections and so all they did was just apply some of their influence over said sections to drum up recruits. I don't know if said tournament actually came to a full completion or not, but clearly folks didn't stick around.

My point is that your Arena needs an overhaul and reasons for players to stay and invest time. TIME is the most valued commodity around, especially true for RP Communities. With work or school, other hobbies and interests, one's personal time is finite throughout the day. People, by and large, don't like wasting their time. If they do something, its because they want to do it for whatever reason. But there IS always a reason involved. That's how our species is hardwired. So, in staying true to what the Arena is and the purpose it has always served within the Greater RP Community, you implement a system designed to ENCOURAGE said time investment.

Hence the reason I shared this;


Its Human Behavioral Science. There is an actual methodology associated with the things I was suggesting.
Do you HAVE to use said suggestions? No, obviously.
But there's actual wisdom in said feedback. Even if said ideas inspired something similar, the point is my wisdom has been shared and its for the purpose of being helpful. If what you're doing hasn't been working, then consider a "new perspective" to be just the thing you're missing. You might be surprised by the results.

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Videos are fun.

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Did you just DELETE my post?