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Divinity Vs Dazsos!

@Innuehmm, I haven't really tried to quantify it in that way, but it surely couldn't hurt, so sure. Spells given are only examples of something he could potentially do, not necessarily absolute spells and such.

Evocation: Since this takes a backseat only to perhaps 'guard science', I'd imagine he'd be able to manifest some adequately powered spells, if were officially labeling this fight 'low-high tier'. The most 'powerful' thing he could probably do is drop an incredibly charged bolt on someone, in terms of raw damage, but he has coated his weapons in plasma fields in the past as well if that helps. In terms of 'difficulty',it would really depend on the scope and size. Creating that lightning bolt could be as simple as giving the runaway ions a place to go after summoning cumulonimbus clouds. I can make it more complex by adding more components to the spell, which would increase casting time as well. Hope this is somewhat helpful, since I'm finding it difficult to sum up evocation with just a single example given its wide breadth.

Abjuration: His strongest school of magic. His 'ultimate' defense is actually one of only two spells ever committed to his memory,one of which is the rail gun spell, called the Kinetic Barrier. It absorbs all light, heat, and motion from any physical components around or near him. The tradeoff is he can't move while using the barrier(Since infinite inertia works both ways), and usually is bypassed by purely magical forces, or can only dampen them, depending on how the magic is molded. He's capable of more, other powerful things of course in this class, but KB is a very good base example.

Note: KB will only last a single action or turn unless Corban actively keeps it up.

Enchantment: The most i'd say he can do with this is create mid-level enchantments(on his own) like an ethereal acid that cuts magic and others like it, or can apply moderately powerful runes to objects, since his skill here is just above general, and not 'gifted'.

Transmutation(Edit): Another area in which corban is exceedingly talented. He is capable of changing or swapping properties of matter at will from the wind to the earth and all those in-between. The scope of this school of magic is based heavily on real world knowledge and chemistry outside of some common spells like 'aqua lung' or 'alter appearance', and that is(to me) the only limiter on it outside of common sense. As an example of one of the more 'powerful' transmutations Corban's done, is transmute a high energy plasma beam(particularly the spell Giga Flare) into transuranium dust.

Hopefully this sheds some light on it.

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@DLLNot so suspicious since it was both not my request, and I asked if I was supposed to be also summarizing Dazsos' posts because "I'm not sure if he'd rather do that part by himself." Dazsos made no complaint, sooooooo...... How is that suspicious?

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I'd so do a Pokemon battle. Who remembers having the pokeball toys as a kid?

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@InnueSure, it will just take some time since I'm on mobile >_>

Edit: Would that include a summary of Dazsos' spells as well? Just not sure if he'd want to do that himself.

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@DazsosActually, almost everything I did was a prepped action of some sort. Corban is fully capable of 'quick-casting' as well, especially if most of those spells fall within his primary vocations. You're also forgetting how the flow of time works in the context of the fight. The only things casted side-by-side were the rail gun bullet, and the clone, and they were actually one after the other, not simultaneous. I function on preps and advantages/disadvantages, not a particular foci dedicated to the formation of spells, unless I especially want to pack some umph into a particular attack or defense, like when I explained a prep for my diamond bullet to be the formation of it. Again, d&d based. I also have some Baldur's Gate influence in there. Moving on now!

Conjuration: I didn't list what he could do because he really can't do anything with it, other than find creative ways to apply its principles, which admittedly are probably not many. Its a class of magic he simply has close to zero experience in.

Divination: I swore I explained this in pm's. Regardless, Corban is quite skilled at divination magic. This magic revolves entirely around 'secrets' and unveiling them. This applies primarily to extrasensory perception such as mage-sight, and this mixed with his vast worldly knowledge is what allows him to 'divine' magic and spell components. Spells such as Scry, detect magic, and reveal hidden door are examples of spells in this class.

Evocation: I didn't really think more than two would be necessary. I didn't think I'd need to state every element for you to get that "Elemental attacks including lightning and fire" was just an example of the dichotemy of it. I can pull up a comprehensive list of every spell in the evocation class from the D&D 3.5 edition books. Clearly Corban does not have access or even need for all of them. They are merely examples so you understand that they do include elemental magics: Here you go.

Necromancy: Just like Illusion and Conjuration, Corban has no real skill casting spells in this class, as he's dedicated no time of study to practical spell-use. This is why no capabilities were mentioned, because he really has none. Just like illusion, he understands the principles behind necromancy and can use this knowledge to detect and divine spells under its class and such.

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@Dazsos Once again, you're building your argument on false data. Evocation does not at all absolutely require there be a verbal component to its spells. Furthermore, Corban is only D&D based. If I played it straight and true he'd also have stats and would function on dice rolls. D&D is the base of his powers because its a very universally liked and understood system. You are still reading the Merriam Webster dictionary version, and have yet to quote or link a single d&d source. Strange coincidence? I think not, for that would work against your argument.for probably the fourth time now, you cannot label my magic what is most convenient for you.

Corban cannot 'summon any construct or ability under the sun' either. His abilities are primarily limited to what is capable within those schools of magic that at least has 'like' next to them. So yes, that includes the primary four elements, something many, many wizard/mage characters are also capable of. Expanding on the single-word terms, now. 'like' would not suffice by itself if a verb, such as 'abuse', which implies active use and not simply passerby knowledge wasn't also listed there. You only seem to notice and mention the 'vaguness' that you feel helps your argument, while ignoring everything else. Considering your next-to-zero knowledge about what is actually present on my sheet(remember when you thought two separately listed magics were the same? Remember when you assumed corban had short term memory because you didnt really read the sheet?), id be very careful about trying to quote it in the future. To expand further, I also gave you more in depth descriptions of each school and his skills and limitations with them in pm's. Stop using the 'one word' argument when you have far more than that to go off of because you specifically asked for it.

You can also drop the high tier argument. Your character has been capable of dealing with Corban at every step. Lets not get into how your character could eat a diamond bullet to the chest, and disintegrate literally Everything with no preps or actual work put in. I've only given what's been given to me.

Most mid-tier characters are superhuman. Isn't that specifically what sets it apart from low tier? The fact that the characters can have powers, and extra human physiology? Simply because you decided your character would not be metahuman in terms of physicality does not constitute my character being high tier.

You already can control gravity, and you can already teleport, which I'm saying for the probably tenth time now. You have access to abilities just as 'taboo' as you seem Corban's abilities are. I personally have never met any combatant who can teleport and still calls that a 'mid tier' ability.

Edit: My definition of evocation is not 'new' and it wasn't invented by me for one. For two, evocation does not at all function like a rune that can teleport a caster any distance in the confines of a ranked combat RP. Summoning energies into existence is far different than moving yourself through space and time. That's like saying anything that summons anything from anywhere functions like teleportation. Lolwhat?

Edit 2: I dont 'expect' you to know about d&d, but that's the system I use regardless. I berated you for claiming you are a d&d gm, yet couldn't be more ignorant of one its most important systems, misquoting and mislabeling it every time you get the chance.

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One final note in terms of Corban's lack of a spell list. On his sheet, it straight up says Corban does not memorize spells like most wizards(such as Myron), but instead memorizes their principles.

"Extension - Some mages just memorize the spells that are in the book; Corban memorizes the principles, then mixes and matches them on demand."

Case and point is his clone, which applies practical transmutation and earth magic knowledge, but an illusory principle in that its fooling your characters senses, but not through magical tampering.

Just thought I'd put that out there.

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Also, here's several definitions for the word evocation. Found after literally typing 'evocation' into google search.

Evocation

So yes, please do keep trying to convince myself and the judge that you aren't choosing the most convenient definition for you, and then trying to apply that false definition to my skills that I have already explained to you, but that you continue to ignore because it doesn't work for your argument.

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@DazsosSpells are the most important part of a sheet filled with combat information? Geeze. Guess I should have actually written a sheet. Oh wait, that's right. There is also no real flower text on my sheet. That was you just skimming, like you have been this whole time while somehow claiming my sheet isn't inclusive enough. I mean, you outright stated that my crystal magic and carbokinesis are the same thing, when they are both listed, and entirely separate.

I am saying everything that he does is fully capable with what is present on his sheet, and everything he does will be done using what is there. The spells are just not listed because I have no list. This is something I explained to you from the beginning.

You are still ascribing your personal definitions to words on my sheet. No matter how you try to talk around it, that is exactly what you're doing. Those words have multiple definitions. That is a fact. Dont believe me? Look at any D&D manual. You cannot try to forcibly alter the definitions(and therefore scope and effect) of my abilities based on your perception of them or clear lack thereof, or the real reason, convenience.

You keep saying my spells are 'hidden' when that is a false statement. They aren't hidden, for the last time. I just have no definitive list. How can someone conceivably hide something that was never there in the first polace? I dont know how many times I've repeated something to you explaining it and then you turn around and completely ignore everything that isn't convenient to your argument, and then re-assume your previous argument anyway, despite my explanations.

The judge has also seen our pm's. They are probably far less damaging to me than they are for you. They put on display your constant inability to understand what's going on, even when I explain it plainly to you. They display you applying false, convenient definitions to my magic that are wrong no matter how you try to backdate and argue around it. They finally show you constantly nitpicking just about every single post I've made since we began, changing your reason for complaint every time I alleviate one of your arguing points. I am beginning to see nothing but a serial complainer and whiner.

At this point I'm done with the arguing. I can't possibly explain any more than I already have while maintaining my civility, and being uncivil is very unbecoming. I have broken down his other schools of magic, gave examples of spells in those schiols, and essentially did everything you've asked of me, and you keep digging for more, arguing for more powers after I've already granted you both your gravity and teleport runes. Two very powerful abilities.

You would strike someone for not having a comprehensive list of spells? That's fair. Know what I'd slap a DM for? Having the audacity to call himself a DM without understanding the most basic principles of character/class archetypes.... Like the schools of magic.

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Except you constantly ask for information that doesn't exist. I even gave examples of spells that could and do fall under each school. There isn't any info on divination because its self explanatory from his sheet. Its clear he's quite skilled at divining magic. Its one of his major skills.

It also isn't your call, again, to apply definitions to my magic simply because that's what works for you. Why should my abilities or knowledge be limited to a single definition simply because you'd like them to be that definition? Why should my evocation be anything other than what it is? Evocation happens to be a thorough school of magic with rules and laws governing it. Evocation, as far as the 8 schools of magic are concerned, is the manipulation of various energies for generally high power attacks. i specifically included elemental magic in my synopsis in pm's. Your lack of knowledge on the eight schools of magic isn't reason enough for me to have to alter their effect, description, or wording at all.

I am also not metagaming in the slightest. Everything I've done has been possible with what is on my sheet, and had some form of previous mention. Nothing is being suddenly shown to you that had no mention or prep previously stated. The risk of metagaming is incredibly low on that front. If a judge wants to know what corban is capable of it is their right to ask and be answered. I shouldn't have to arbitrarily list things I never intended to list to you under the pretense of 'helping the judge'. That is a flimsy false pretense to make you privy to knowledge you shouldn't be privy to. I didn't ask you to make your sheet the way you made it, so using that as an arguing point is also moot.

You are also falsely paraphrasing my profile. Carbokinesis and crystal magic are entirely separate abilities. Telling me that I can't use crystals or ice because they are not all carbon is the same as totally ignoring the section of my sheet that expounds on 'crystal magic'. The way he even made his polearm was based on crystal lattice principles and transmutation. Almost all metals are crystalline atomically.

You are also applying arbitrary limits to my character. Why would it take a constant stream of mana to rob the kinetic energy out of surroundings? How would that even work physically? The liquid itself does that for him. Saying that my technique has to be prepped to be effective is also a moot argument. Preps are only outliners of raw power, not necessarily effectiveness. The spell effect does also not need to be permanent at all. If you'd like me to have a post limit on the spell it would be as simple as saying the word.

I also don't get how you're a GM(assuming for a d&D campaign) and yet dont understand the most basic part of any spell casting class, which are the eight schools of magic.

Edit: Cutting you off from your magic would also not take 'god-like' control. The proof is in my post. Its a tactical way of cutting you off from your source of power without relying on the 'control' part of the equation at all. Your issue seems to be more with what I did than how I did it, which I suspected from the start.

Edit 2: His profile isn't 'half hidden' either. I said it before and I'll say it again, everything he can do is done using what is present in his sheet. The only thing missing are his exact spells, which I feel should not be mandatory, anyway. You have no reason, other than personal convenience, to accuse me of metagaming.

Edit 3: Where did you get that Corban has short-term memory loss? That isn't stated anywhere in the RP or his profile. If anything, his memory is above average. I honestly can see you have taken very little time to actually read my sheet, and have been skimming for convenient argument points. From the definition of his magics to the extent of his memory it has been clear you're grasping at straws.