Imperfectionist

Kidnap the Princess?!?!

*ahem* Or, you know, flip a coin. Heads, Team SAtB goes to Ellorn; Tails, Team BTT goes.

Honestly, that strikes me as something this Miri girl would do. She looks at all the votes, counts them up diligently, then... throws them over her shoulder and flips a coin (a massive, ridiculous coin with her face on it).

EDIT: -shrug- But that's just me. Maybe the die roll would be better.

Kidnap the Princess?!?!

Thank you, FoxFire, somehow I didn't catch that.

Now Rin's vote makes sense, as does Rune's (there are seven votes and seven players, but Dblade hasn't voted yet). Scratch that, it seems the polls are all messed up. The new one is probably a good idea (it'll also show us if some people aren't around anymore). As for why I'm still here... :) Well, you know, just trying to be helpful. I've gotten a chuckle out of some of the IC posts, so I decided to keep lurking.

Kidnap the Princess?!?!

Team Super-Awesome-the-Best

Myrisstra Teken’t’tar’ghym/
Raineh Daze

Faith Hope Charity/
R i n

Malakaus Ralthavar Marchosias/
Lucius Cypher

Gorbash the Menace/
Dblade26

Vivien/
Skythikon

Sister Melody Delacroix/
Amrita

Karin/
YamiCuoreLaroux

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Team Better-than-theirs

Richard Charming/
DreadPirate

The Chief Maid/
Ryonara

Yuga No. 107/
Lucius Cypher

Morgana/
RolePlayerRoxas

Ameniritis/
Rune_Alchemist

Trakel/
Closet Nerd

Aki Imai/
FoxFireOfDawn

Theodyn Dunore/
Ostarion

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Now, as for the polls:

Team Better-than-theirs has 6 votes for Rose the fair (Ellorn), 2 votes for Loryan the tough (Niy-an), and zero votes for Sophie the shy (Nekronia). The numbers match up, so the voting is finished.

Team Super-Awesome-the-Best has 4 votes for Rose the fair (Ellorn), 2 votes for Sophie the shy (Nekronia) and 1 vote for Loryan the tough (Niy-an). The numbers match up, so once Dblade votes, it should be finished.

EDIT: Dropped the ball on the polls, there, accidentally switched the teams. Oops.

Kidnap the Princess?!?!

:( I'm around, still joining arguments that have already been resolved. I think it's pathological.

Most GMs can be expected to read the IC, Raineh Daze... What I'm saying is that it simply isn't up to you. You should trust the GM to regulate her/his game, and if you think something that happens in-character is supplanting the plot or doesn't belong, THEN you bring it up with the GM and the players, and there's a discussion.

You can't assume intentional game-breaking malice in everyone who wants to make their character an amnesiac, basically. I understand, it isn't ideal, and if I were GMing a game with an amnesiac character I'd at least want to have some idea myself, but it can't be generalized as always leading to bad things. What if their ideas are actually supplementary to the main plot? They saw something they shouldn't have, and one of the kings' court wizards erased their memory using dark rituals or something? Wouldn't that be an interesting reveal?

Kidnap the Princess?!?!

Raineh Daze said
You've already done it wrong. I don't have the slightest inclination to say amnesia can't make for good writing; my objection is on the way it makes it trivial to get things into an RP that wouldn't be accepted. ._.

Not in the game, just lurking, but my thought here, Raineh Daze, is that you can't berate your fellow players and tell them they're doing it wrong... Before they've done it wrong.

You don't want a ridiculous Mary-Sue backstory to come up (e.g. "By the gods, I just remembered that I'm actually from Krypton, so now I have superpowers, even though that doesn't fit the setting at all!"), and that's a fine thing, because it can (of course) disrupt the narrative of an RP, but if something like that happened, the GM would say "wow, that's dumb" and would tell the player to think of something else, if not kill off the character right there. What it seems like you're saying is that when these amnesiac characters DO reveal their backgrounds, they are guaranteed to be stupid, and that Konica won't do anything about it, when she/he might have done something if the stupid backstory was submitted as part of a sheet...

Frankly, if I were Konica, I'd be a little insulted. It's as if you don't think she/he can govern her own game.

Why fight the inevitable?

:) Well, thank you, Inversus.

...at the risk of starting another argument, Nevis, what do you think of Paradise Lost? Quite a few similarities can be drawn between it and the Comedy, and I'd be quite interested in knowing whether you have more (or even less) respect for it compared to the work of Dante.

Why fight the inevitable?

In other news, I think this is a fantastic idea for an RP, and I don't want to ruin this thread with my arguing. I think I'm going to go ahead and delete my couple of posts, other than the last one. I really am sorry, KirinLemon.

EDIT: On second thought, just putting them in hiders would work, too.

Why fight the inevitable?

My last few words

-shrug- I'm not even sure how correct most of those statements are (esp. that the Church actively portrayed Dante's poem as biblical canon, which I am nearly sure is a complete falsehood, and that the Divine Comedy changed how the public viewed religion, which is rather preposterous), but whatever. The point is, it's a work of art, and if you don't like it, you don't like it, and I can accept that.

Two very definitely final points:

1. It's an allegory, it isn't meant to be canonically correct. If he limited himself only to what was detailed in the scripture, well, the whole Comedy wouldn't have worked, as there wouldn't be enough material to work with. He took what he had read, and heard, and what he believed, and used them in an allegorical interpretation of the soul's journey to God (among a ton of other things... it's really, really complex).

2. I'm sorry for starting an argument, but your blatant dismissal of Dante (along with the whole paladin thing) irked me quite a bit... I have a feeling KirinLemon might want us to delete all this, as it was rather pointless and got neither of us anywhere.

EDIT: OH! A third point, about the Inferno not being horrific enough: the Divine Comedy is just as much about Paradiso and Purgatorio as Inferno, even if most people stop reading after the latter. It isn't meant to be horrific. It's meant to make sense, in the context of Dante's beliefs and the ideals described in the second and third sections of the story. So, the whole "karmic punishments" thing... It was just supposed to make sense, and I believe, given the context, that it does.

EDIT 2: Yeah, Thor? A total dick. Ever read the Sandman? :) The whole "key to Hell" thing? It's good stuff.

Why fight the inevitable?

My response to the response

Okay, yes, I understand what you're getting at, when it comes to barbarians... And you've stumped me. All I can say is that it comes down to context. No matter how I think of it, the fear the Romans experienced, and the terrible defeats they suffered at the hands of those they called barbarians endured throughout the intervening centuries, and the word made its way into Old French and Middle English and all those other Latin-influenced languages throughout Europe because of that. Thus, the image of the vengeful, uncivilized warrior pillaging the countryside and chopping off heads with (excuse my fucking ignorance) some kind of choppy weapon has remained in the popular consciousness for all of these centuries...

So, yeah, um... You're right. About barbarian, at least. Its etymology is rooted generally in fear and derision, and it is probably not the best thing to call yourself. The truth of the matter is, though, if you lived in the Empire circa 400CE, you'd see them as uncivilized as well. So, in the end, all the lingering presence of the word means is that Roman and "Classical" culture in general has had an incredibly lasting effect on European culture, including language... And not much can be done about that. Still, I will maintain that the modern, 20th century use of the word in literature (again I point to Conan) had more influence on the idea of the D&D barbarian than any actual Germanic or Celtic peoples, so I can't quite find the same disappointment in it.

Anyway, anyway, moving on to Dante... He never presented it to people as canonical material, and it wouldn't have existed anyway without the previous work of medieval Christian scholars, Thomas Aquinas and all that. He took the predominant cultural theories of the afterlife at the time... and wrote a very complex, allegorical epic poem detailing them in verse, including as characters some of the most important (to him) people in the history of Western civilization in their various circles of Heaven, Hell and Purgatory. It's literature, not scripture, and most of the ideas contained within were pre-existing (which makes it very similar to the work of the famous poets of Rome and Greece). Seriously, what kind of negative cultural effects could it have possibly caused that wouldn't have happened without it?

What My Name Means

Hmm. Well, that is quite an intro.

:) May I say, welcome to the Guild, Inversus. Based on this, I would predict that you'd love some very experimental, existential RPs, with deep philosophical dilemmas and intricate discussions between characters and such. Am I wrong?