I just hope these two don't start the cage match and wind up tongue-kissing. That'd be awks.Why aren't you banning Nex for blatant flaming and closing this thread for devolving into a flame fest? Do your job, mod.
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That's not the kind of enthusiastic, kind and encouraging rhetoric I would expect from you, Jorick-chan.Jorick-chan is dead, so there shall be no more enthusiasm, kindness, or encouragement. Now I am Jorick-senpai, and all I know is how to ignore people most of the time and severely disapprove of their actions when I bother to notice them.
Wow, these confessions are fucking garbage. I can't even manage to be disappointed in this fact, because I expected as much before I even opened the thread. I know they're lacking my slew of bullshit and lies that spiced things up, but I was far from the only one submitting that kind of nonsense, so I suppose they've all fucked off from Spam/RPG as well.
Also, the Skype group is still sort of a thing, but it's pretty fucking dead compared to how it was for most of 2014. Most of its activity seems to have been sucked away to other Skype groups created for those who've gone to Iwaku, just like Spam is a shadow of its former self due to all the migration. 
Nah.
Are you planning to use Markdown as the permanent new markup language, or is it likely to change after you get the basic work done and have a chance to look at other options?
I ask because I hate Markdown and hope it's not here to stay. I would rather work with raw HTML than this goofy system.
The editorial on the state of the Guild was very nicely said. I think most of the people being vocal about it, on both sides of the issue, are simply passionate about the site and community. Some folks get a little over the top and emotional, which is when the insults start flying, but I think overall it's a good sign of the health of the community. The fact that there are so many people willing to angrily defend the site from detractors shows that there is still a solid core to the place that will remain loyal through thick and thin, and that is very much a good thing for the future of the site.
Speaking as one of said detractors, the complaints stem from a similar place. I've been part of Roleplayer Guild on and off for, shit, five years now. I was driven to bring up the problems that exist because it sucks seeing a site I once enjoyed hanging out on become so bogged down with bugs and lag and crashes that it ruined the whole experience for me. I have no desire to see the Guild fall and die; rather, it's just the opposite in that I want to see it become great again. If I didn't still care about the place I wouldn't have bothered arguing about it, or coming back to check it to see if any updates have been made (which I've been doing once a day or so), or so on. If I didn't care I would have just left and been done with it.
So the moral of the story here is that we all want the Guild to be a great place, we just have differing standards and opinions about what that means. That's not something we should be fighting each other about, so keeping any discussion on the matter civil is really in the best interests of everyone involved.
Speaking as one of said detractors, the complaints stem from a similar place. I've been part of Roleplayer Guild on and off for, shit, five years now. I was driven to bring up the problems that exist because it sucks seeing a site I once enjoyed hanging out on become so bogged down with bugs and lag and crashes that it ruined the whole experience for me. I have no desire to see the Guild fall and die; rather, it's just the opposite in that I want to see it become great again. If I didn't still care about the place I wouldn't have bothered arguing about it, or coming back to check it to see if any updates have been made (which I've been doing once a day or so), or so on. If I didn't care I would have just left and been done with it.
So the moral of the story here is that we all want the Guild to be a great place, we just have differing standards and opinions about what that means. That's not something we should be fighting each other about, so keeping any discussion on the matter civil is really in the best interests of everyone involved.
Prince said Mahz is a motherfucking adult capable of assessing a situation, making judgement calls and taking responsibility. Not a soul on this site has any right to second-guess his judgement, question his calls or even dare imply there is fallacy in his actions. He provides us a service free of any charge to any of us. His service, to us, has created a community, it has given birth to all of these great things people have vouched for and hold important.
Your fanatical loyalty to Mahz is cute and all, but this is just plain wrong. Mahz is indeed a motherfucking adult who is capable of those things, but the argument being made here by the disgruntled folks is that he is failing in at least the 'taking responsibility' portion (due to the shitty condition of the site) and perhaps the 'making judgment calls' portion as well (due to him deciding to remain the only code builder of the site himself despite clearly not having the time or interest or whatever has kept him from doing it for months now). Every single soul on this site has the right to second-guess him, actually, because he's providing a service. It's called consumer feedback. Just because it's free (and by the way, this doesn't mean he's necessarily paying for us to have the site, he has ads on the thing for a reason) does not mean we have no right to say there are things wrong with it. If you were to ask for food and someone were to hand you a free rotten hunk of meat that does not mean you need to shut your fucking mouth and enjoy it just because it's free; you would be well within your rights to complain that it's a rotten hunk of meat rather than actual edible food. Same principle applies here, so please get off your knees and stop mindlessly fellating Mahz, thanks.
So, for those of you who seem confused about why people are upset with the current state of affairs on the Guild, here's a prime example of the problem:
"I'm taking a week off to work on the Guild." - Mahz, October 28, on the rp_guild twitter account
It's not just a matter of lack of features or lack of progress being made, it's largely a matter of empty promises. Due to how Mahz has decided to run the site everything hinges on him, and honestly he's not reliable for it. I am well aware that he has work and other obligations so he can't spend all his time on the Guild, but that doesn't really excuse the long track record of empty promises. Even back before Guildfall he made all sorts of promises about cool new features to come and then just never got around to it (anyone remember Roleplayer Cards?), so it's not like this is a new thing. Another great example of this happening is the numerous promises Mahz made to get a Contests section made on this iteration of the Guild. Brovo asked him to do it and Mahz said he'd get on it, then it never happened; I asked him to do it and he said it would be done within the month, then it never happened; after that at least one of the mods reminded him about the contests section when he popped into IRC and he said he'd make it soon, but it never happened; MDK tried to start a contest (after WOTM died due to being unable to function without a dedicated section) and asked for the section to be made and Mahz said he would do so, but again it never happened.
That kind of thing is draining on one's confidence that Mahz will actually improve things, especially when it happens over and over and over alongside months of no work being done at all. I would probably be better for overall morale if he never promised anything and just said he'll do stuff whenever he can get around to it. Asking what you can do for the site is cool and all, but when the answer is "nothing, because Mahz refuses to do any of the numerous things that could improve the site without putting all the burden on his shoulders" then you're left there with all your good intentions in mind and nothing to show for it. I put up with it for a good 9 months, but then the site got to the point where it was a struggle to post anything for about a week before it full on broke and then the only response was apparently a server reset, which didn't actually solve the major lag problems. There comes a time when brand loyalty dies in the face of facts, and that time has come for a lot of us.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, just laying it out there for you guys to understand. If you still enjoy the site despite its flaws, awesome, have fun with it, that's what it's all about. Those of us who can't deal with it will just move elsewhere, no worries. There doesn't need to be any fight between the happy and the dissatisfied Guild people. Just understand that for the dissatisfied side it's not a bunch of pointless whining, it's a legitimate complaint about how the site is run.
"I'm taking a week off to work on the Guild." - Mahz, October 28, on the rp_guild twitter account
It's not just a matter of lack of features or lack of progress being made, it's largely a matter of empty promises. Due to how Mahz has decided to run the site everything hinges on him, and honestly he's not reliable for it. I am well aware that he has work and other obligations so he can't spend all his time on the Guild, but that doesn't really excuse the long track record of empty promises. Even back before Guildfall he made all sorts of promises about cool new features to come and then just never got around to it (anyone remember Roleplayer Cards?), so it's not like this is a new thing. Another great example of this happening is the numerous promises Mahz made to get a Contests section made on this iteration of the Guild. Brovo asked him to do it and Mahz said he'd get on it, then it never happened; I asked him to do it and he said it would be done within the month, then it never happened; after that at least one of the mods reminded him about the contests section when he popped into IRC and he said he'd make it soon, but it never happened; MDK tried to start a contest (after WOTM died due to being unable to function without a dedicated section) and asked for the section to be made and Mahz said he would do so, but again it never happened.
That kind of thing is draining on one's confidence that Mahz will actually improve things, especially when it happens over and over and over alongside months of no work being done at all. I would probably be better for overall morale if he never promised anything and just said he'll do stuff whenever he can get around to it. Asking what you can do for the site is cool and all, but when the answer is "nothing, because Mahz refuses to do any of the numerous things that could improve the site without putting all the burden on his shoulders" then you're left there with all your good intentions in mind and nothing to show for it. I put up with it for a good 9 months, but then the site got to the point where it was a struggle to post anything for about a week before it full on broke and then the only response was apparently a server reset, which didn't actually solve the major lag problems. There comes a time when brand loyalty dies in the face of facts, and that time has come for a lot of us.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, just laying it out there for you guys to understand. If you still enjoy the site despite its flaws, awesome, have fun with it, that's what it's all about. Those of us who can't deal with it will just move elsewhere, no worries. There doesn't need to be any fight between the happy and the dissatisfied Guild people. Just understand that for the dissatisfied side it's not a bunch of pointless whining, it's a legitimate complaint about how the site is run.
TheDoctor said
And how do you know this?No, Iwaku is pretty similar except for a different layout and means of finding RPs, which is the reason many people have migrated.Also, you're saying this when you also moved to another site, there's a strange hint of irony there.
I'll concede that I'm not 100% sure that no staff members have fucked off to Iwaku, but I can say that if any of them have they haven't talked about it openly anywhere. There was a bit of an exodus in October that included a group being made for people who'd migrated, and there are no RPG staff people there, nor have any popped up elsewhere on the site. It's possible that some have made an account there, but if so they're rolling incognito, whereas the OP spoke as if it was something that they had certain knowledge of. Sherlock is still here, HeySeuss is still here, Lillian is still here, Kangaroo is still here, Mahz and Contra are still presumably "here" insofar as they haven't migrated to Iwaku at least. The statement of staff members having migrated is just plain wrong, because they're all still here.
I'm saying that it's a different community because I've moved there. I know what it's like via first-hand experience, and it's not very similar to modern RPG or pre-guildfall RPG. The only place that it bears even a passing resemblance to is pre-guildfall Spam, and Spam was always an outlier section rather than being something emblematic of RPG as a whole.
ThatOneGuy said
Just look at this news section.Four weeks since we've heard anything of significance, and that was the newsletter.
Which has nothing to do with those two things I was countering. Notice how I said nothing against the main premise, just against two minor points.
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