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I think a lot of this is misinterpreted for political reasons. The amount of leftists who actually hate their own culture is, I'd suspect, negligible at best. My interpretation of the movement you are catching onto isn't that of self-hatred as it is typically misrepresented to be, but rather a deep distrust of traditional conservatism.
Not a distrust born simply out of politics either. I think most liberals are, deep down, simply moderates who are petrified, completely scared, that if they let the conservative elements in their country off their leash, the conservatives will go full fledged pogrom. Hence all the corny integrationalist stuff. It's not a hatred of their culture, it is a fear of an overzealous corner of their culture that has committed mass-murder in the name of the culture in the past, and that they assume is just itching to do so in the future. I have never personally met a leftist of any stripe who doesn't hate ISIS or Muslim terror, but they don't jump up and down about it because they are deathly afraid the conservative elements of their culture would use the opportunity to go full on Rwanda. Kill them all, burn their mosques, rape their dogs, the full monty. That's the thing. In the mind of a full-fledged liberal, every conservative is a secret SS Nazi just burning for the opportunity to get the ol' killing squad back together. And this also explains why liberals rarely ever push for meaningful reform, and by and large keep losing the working class to the right; they don't want to change things that much, they just want to keep back a murderous element they perceive on the right.
Which is interesting, since the right largely just wants to stop the left from changing things either. All around, it seems like most people are just happy with the middle, and yet the great American propaganda machine has everyone convinced the world will end if either side wins.
To be clear, I don't identify as Right-wing, nor do I think the Left will cause any kind of Communist uprising or some batshit nonsense like that. All I'm saying is that society functions better when its citizens are roughly homogeneous, so that you don't get violent, racist in-group/out-group divides inside your own damn country. And, unfortunately, the Left (for whatever fearful reason) is now in open opposition to the notion of limiting immigration, and forcing immigrants to integrate, which is only going to cause the country more harm down the line.
Can I get an "amen" for that, or what?
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I just have to say, this is a bizarre list. The Turks and Russians have integrated into the Anglo-Saxon world, but the Mexicans and Native Americans haven't? Wat? I feel like you rolled dice to put this one together.
Are you telling me Turks and Russians aren't largely integrated into Anglophonic society? I don't know what part of the world your from, but in my experience, you don't tend to have a problem with segregated Russian ghettos forming, where people only speak Russian, businesses only hire Russians, the signs are in Russian, and they lash out with violence at non-Russians. Likewise with Turks. I could be wrong, but these aren't things I've seen.
Meanwhile, there are larger sections of America (mainly California and New Mexico), where you can't so much as get a job if you can't speak Spanish, where there are entire cities and districts forming around Mexican culture, populated only by Mexicans, where non-Mexicans suffer violence and theft when attempting to pass through.
When was the last time you turned on Russiavision, an America-based TV station that broadcasts only in Russian, by Russians, for Russians, or went to Russiatown, to get some Russian food at the Russian market?
And Native Americans have largely chosen to segregate themselves from Western civilization, remaining on reserves. They intentionally attempt to avoid integration, and yet unevenly consume elements of Western production and culture, like alcohol, leading to severe self-harm and social problems. Others, that integrate into society, often remain resentful of most Americans/Canadians, for perceived historical injustices, and attempt to flaunt their different culture when able. Not all, of course, but you can't deny that the trend exists.
