KnightShade

Trump drops the MOAB (artist's rendition)

This twitter feed? He does a lot more than 'fan division.'

@mdk

I'm aware he does other things, are you denying he fans division at all?

I mean there's also convicted terrorists, convicted kidnapper/torturer/murderers, proponents of racial violence, and actual literal nazis. At some point you really have to stop and think.

So do the Neo-Nazi groups that hailed Trump, and Trump's refusal to disavow a leader of the KKK make you the guys? If no then why should this apply to the anti-Trump crowd?

"We can act like shitheads all we want and if you respond at all you're petty" -- wait, who's the troll again?

No, I did not say that. I do not support the behaviour of these groups, in fact I would happily disavow them, something Trump refuses to do again and again when it comes to the bad apples on his side. I also meant pettiness as in they're being petty and he is responding in kind, I was not pointing solely to Trump. He is not simply responding, he insults anyone who disagrees with him and belittles the concerns of the people he is supposed to represent. Obama put up with the crap of the tea party and birthers, and I can't remember him calling people losers via twitter or threatening freedom of the press.

Trump drops the MOAB (artist's rendition)

@mdkI get my information on Trump from his own twitter feed, where he calls anyone who disagrees with him weak, a loser, or fake news/media. How is that anything other than fanning division? The democrats aren't blameless either, and especially not antifascist groups. Antifascists groups have a tendency to assume fascism is inevitable, so anything is justifiable to stop it, leading to them doing shitty things that damage their own cause. But antifascist groups aren't the only ones protesting Trump. And he's the President and they're not. He's supposed to have dignity and rise above pettiness. You can't blame everybody except the President, the buck is supposed to stop with him. I do mostly agree with you on the military points though, I like Trump's deference to generals.

Trump drops the MOAB (artist's rendition)

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That works both ways though. The MOAB drop spread far more effectively across borders too. Also since WW2, the US has vastly (Vaaaaaastly) increased its military superiority to every other nation on earth, so our shows-of-force are more effective than they've ever been (short of nuking).

Non-state actors have been kicking our ass in the information-sharing department for a long time, in no small part because the last two presidents took a vastly different approach. New sheriff, new strategy, and it's a pretty sound one.

@mdk

I agree to some extent with that. I'm not going to pretend to understand fully the distinction between the strategies used, however the repetitive use of drone strikes didn't appear to be accomplishing anything to me. I don't necessarily favour a stronger approach than previously but I do favour a more purposeful one. I know that here in the UK for awhile our government only bothered to bomb ISIS before press releases, it was absurdly passe.

But globalised communications bring the fight home too. No matter how much spending you put into the military they can't fight a war in your own country. If we want to stop terrorism, which is supposedly what this is about, we have to engage in the ideological war at home too. Trump is vastly outgunned in that department. He's a caricature of an American who repeatedly seems incapable of seeing other viewpoints or stringing an argument together. He's done nothing but stir up divisions at home so far.

Trump drops the MOAB (artist's rendition)

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On the contrary, bombs change mindsets all the time. Shit, we're posting in English after all. We didn't win the various world wars because of our superior identity politics.

@mdk

We can't ignore the development of the internet and growth of internationally available mass media. Ideologies now spread far more effectively across borders, with more independence from governments, armies and printed newspapers, than they did during the World Wars.

nice boy

This joke is sooo 2015.

@Vilageidiotx

You're just triggered because you identify as a pipe smoking socialist canine from the medieval ages.

nice boy

@Buddha I apologise for assuming your age

nice boy

ur like 13

@Buddha

You just made a thread around the 'I sexually identify as *insert absurdist thing here*' format, how old are you?

Trump drops the MOAB (artist's rendition)

Thank god that warmonger Hillary wasn't elected

Do you think I can peel off this skin suit

Do you think I could pull off a Spam Forum wide communism?

It's not about that, it's about having a stay in the best gulag there is for a living.

Do not question the quality of our gulags.

@Arkaquiavel

You think our country's so innocent? We have gulags. We have the best gulags. The best.