Lady Seraphina

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@The One Hey I was wondering if I could create a child of Athena character who'd act as a teachers aid in the realm of strategy lessons?

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@Prince of Seraphs How about...

"Chronos jerked it so hard that his sperm flew right through the cracks of the prison and disappeared from the current timeline. The sperm emerged years later and hit an unsuspecting soon to be mother."

@Bishop

I think a large part of the point of putting him Tartarus was that as the Titan of Time he had to be imprisoned somewhere where time didn't exist so how well that would work I'm not entirely sure.

Beyond that though, aside from being kind of contrived there's nothing I can think of that would actually prevent it from working. Though you'd think with other titans in the prison Chronos would have someone to have sex with without having to resort to jerking off.

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Sorry for miss quoting you on that last one but in back to the future they still sent messages to themselves in the present from the past which is where the child comes in and in Back to the Future, Dr. Who and most time travel shows meeting yourself is very bad and had a lot of repercussions meeting your child or parents however is fine because he would still be restricted in helping himself stop Zeus from defending him although you are completely right about how it would restrict the possibilities of what you could do with the character.

@PharaohAtem

And they have the very real capacity to change the past, as seen as a result of every movie. Also no where in Doctor Who has it ever been a bad thing to meet yourself. Meddling in your own timeline has some repercussions but meeting yourself isn't a problem. They make an episode every ten years about multiple incarnations of the Doctor going on adventure together. See "The Two Doctors" "The Five Doctors" "The Name of the Doctor" "Time Crash" and "The Day of the Doctor". Doctor who plays very fast and loose with time travel, in fact it was basically established that as the last of the Time Lords the Doctor is in charge of the rules of time travel so basically any rules he does set forth are more like "I don't want you to do this" not "This isn't physically possible".

But let's say meeting yourself physically does result in something bad, he has to be able to exist in same time period as past versions of himself because as a titan his timeline goes from more or less the beginning of creation to the end so if he couldn't exist in the same time period as himself he couldn't time travel. With this in mind Kronos could still go back to the Golden Age and through indirect means, most likely the intervention of another titan of that time period, make sure Zeus died.

The point being there isn't a scenario that allows Chronos to be freed and travel back in time to sire a child that doesn't also allow him to travel back further to prevent his own imprisonment without rendering his time powers almost completely nonfunctional.

You know, gods and titans and all that don't have to actually have sex with a human to make them pregnant. Chronos could as well have shot an energy, part of himself through the prison of hell, through some opening and that energy wandered the world for the perfect vessel. Once it found the mother, it made her pregnant and BAM you have the child of Chronos.
"The war between the Gods was causing anomalies all around the world. The barrier which divided hell from earth was breaking, cracks had begun to show. And from those cracks, Father Time took the opportunity to expel some of his energy which contained himself in it, to the realm of earthlings."

"Before the Titan of Time, Chronos was imprisoned by his son Zeus, he expelled a part of himself in the form of energy. This energy disappeared as it vanished from the current timeline. It traveled through countless ages and timelines until it found the right moment to emerge and find a vessel. The vessel would give birth to a child of Chronos. As foreseen and planned by Chronos when he was imprisoned, this child would then later help him escape from the prison. This was assured as he imprinted a part of himself in that child and with that his own will."

There are countless version from which you can pick to pull this off. Be creative!

@Bishop

There are underworld gods, a fair number of them whose entire purpose revolves around making sure nothing gets out of Hades.

The Greek gods are physical entities. Amazing power sure but existing in two places at once or splitting themselves into pieces is sort of beyond them. They're not spirits. The cases in Greek myth where someone was impregnated by proxy usually involved severed or separated bodily fluids. For instance when Kronos castrated Uranos the blood and semen from his severed testicles covered the earth and led to the creation of the Hundred Handed Ones. His testicles themselves dissolved in the ocean and from that the Goddess Aphrodite arose. My point being that a demititan created by Kronos would have to date back to the end of the titan's reign at the latest. Or involve some seriously questionable divine sperm bank encounter.

This is more of a side note but "Hades" the Greek underworld and the classic interpretation of "Hell" are very very different things. There's no fire or brimstone in Hades. Actually a good portion of it is barren and the punishments for the section of the underworld devoted to that (The Fields of Punishment) are more karmic and person specific rather than a general "burn for all time" type deal.

Also the way the Greek Underworld is arranged being able to break part of himself off and slip it through from Tartarus to the other side wouldn't result it in being on earth but in the Underworld proper. Basically you have Earth, directly below earth is the underworld and then as far above the earth as heaven is that same distance below the underworld is where Tartartus is located. It was chosen as the titan's prison for a reason cause even escape from there you've simply escaped into the outer prison from which you also need to escape to make it to earth.

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No I read it I was just commenting on the part where you mentioned if you achieved your goals in time travel you would have no reason to time travel and in that case if you have a kid in the past and meet that kid in the future then you would go back and have the kid however even in your example of time travel not effecting you or your memory and you end up in an alternate time line with another you I don't think Cronos would have a problem with that as long as Zeus was dead however there are multiple theories on time travel and like you said the one most used in fantasy is the Big Bang version so using a predestination paradox is not a problem since this is fantasy RP.

@PharaohAtem

Actually the one most used in fantasy is the Back to the Future model because it affords the author the most freedom as far as story and progression go. Almost no one uses the Big Bang Theory version (which was more of a sketch than an actually functioning model) because it is too restrictive to the story to be fun or have any serious stakes.

And that's kind of my point, Kronos wouldn't care what happened to history as long as Zeus was dead and basically every depiction of time travel would allow him to do that except for a precious few models which restrict the functions of time travel so much that it basically doesn't work at all.

And on that subject if The One created a child of Kronos on the theory that the child freed Kronos then Kronos went back in time to sire the child it affords The One very little creative control over the child because their are established events in which the character has to react a certain way and do certain things. Simply put it saps the fun out of playing the character which is about 95% of the point.

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Your almost right but not quite you can't directly manipulate your own past like you said you would lose the motivation once you did so nothing would change but if you created someone or something like in this case a child in the past with the intention of altering it for you once you meet that child you then have motivation to go back and recreate that child so the changes stick.

@PharaohAtem

I feel like you didn't read that closely because it was an argument that goes completely against everything you've said. But the upshot of your perspective is this. Being the God of Time is completely and totally worthless because you are not capable of manipulating time unless it is to ensure that something that has already happened happens making your powers essentially null and void.

And this argument were are currently having is the reason the Percy Jackson version of Kronos isn't capable of time travel.

Also the reason I don't like time powers in RP. Time Travel has to follow very precise and defined rules which is a virtual impossibility in a collaboration.

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Because he would create a paradox if he goes back and kills Zeus then a ruse never defeated shim if Zeus never defeated s him he has no reason to go back that is an impossible paradox what I am talking about is a time loop.

@PharaohAtem

What you're talking about is a predestination paradox, an event that results in the creation of itself.

That's Big Bang Theory logic. In quantum mechanics, it's either fifth or sixth dimensional theory, altering the flow of time causes it to diverge rather than fold back upon itself.

The upshot of that if you go back in time the timeline that you originate from is maintained and becomes for all intents and purposes inaccessible to you. Any changes you make in the present will have no effect on your physical being, existence or memories. So if you go back in time and kill your father nothing will happen to you however the you of that timeline will never be born. This is the version of time travel that is best supported by actual science however it is rarely used in science fiction because if it was you can never return to your own time or place. If you tried you would be traveling to the future of the new timeline that your presence has created. It might be identical to the one you left depending on if you changed history but you would find that timeline's version of you living your life which means that from a story perspective unless one of yourself dies there is no way to write a happy ending and even if one of yourself dies it still kind of melancholy.

The logic that by time traveling you would accomplish an action and because that action was accomplished you have no motivation to go back in time in order to accomplish it is both cyclical reasoning and if it were true prevents time travel from being physically possible because whatever action you did after time traveling would be instantly undone by your future lack of motivation to do it.

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Fist I never started he had complete control over time I only mentioned time travel and I can think of a number of examples where comics break the laws that f physics

Time travel does give you some ganrate for example what if when he is freed it was his child that freed him he would have to go back and father that child and same if his child is fighting by his side

@PharaohAtem

Seems to have lost some words so I'm only getting the general idea of that point but...

By that logic there is nothing that prevents him from returning to the Golden Age of the Titans and say make sure he eats Zeus this time instead of a rock. That's what it keeps coming back to for me. If he can go back into time physically seventeen or eighteen years to complete a predestination paradox why can't he go back a couple thousand to keep himself in power?

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Fist of all if he did create a time remnant like flash in most examples when they meet they would both implode Flash is a comic character and they break the laws of physics all the time unless you can explain how Flash can run Minh time the speed of light that example is null and void and second their is a simple explanation he would go back to farther a child so that child could grow up and help the gods free him from his prison that's just of the top of my head.

On the other hand he could do it to help kill Zeus for example he gets free joins the battle against Zeus but Zeus is still winning so he goes back in time to father a child with the hope he will grow up and help him kill Zeus since in one respect demigods are stronger then gods since in Percy Jackson they can steal the power of gods like with the lightning bolt.

@PharaohAtem

Obviously not exactly like the Flash cause talk about leaps of logic and breaking the laws of physics. Be that as it may there is nothing in the laws of time travel that prevent either the change of history or interaction with your past self beyond what a handful of science fiction writers have established to justify their storylines. If he has complete control over time as you seem to indicate there is no reason why he couldn't essentially alter any event in history that did not turn out the way he wanted. From that it could be assumed that he can manipulate time but not to the extent of actual time travel as most people understand it.

That aside that's a seriously risky move on his part as imbuing a mortal child with high titan abilities makes them extremely powerful and he has no means of guaranteeing they will join the war on his side. He could just as easily be delivering a powerful weapon into the hands of Zeus. And that example is also null and void because it deals with a specific authors interpretations of Greek myth and not Greek myth itself.

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I suddenly feel like I'm probably getting on people's nerves by... well I'm not sure precisely why but experience tells me that when I talk this much about a single subject against an opposing viewpoint I'm probably getting on someone's nerves.

I wanted to apologize for that. I'm just trying to get a firm understanding of how the RP pantheon is set up since if you looked at all the Greek myths they contradict each other six ways to Sunday, and that's not counting the ones were opposing translations lead to different interpretations.

Sorry If I'm getting on anyone's nerves. I don't know for certain if I'm being obnoxious but if at any point in the future I am you can feel free to just point it out straight up. I try to reign it in but I'm not always the best at identifying when I'm doing it.

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Fair point however if we go with him still being trapped it still works for the same reason. Eventually he will be released even if it's not by Zeus and once he is free he can go back in time to father a mortal child.

@PharaohAtem

Why?

I have certain reservation about a character, even a god level one having the type of time manipulation you're talking about. Mostly because it begs the question "Why doesn't he return to the Titanomachy and use the fact that there are two of him (or more Reverse-Flash style) to end up winning the war in the first place."

But putting that aside by and large when the titans ruled the earth humans were nothing more than cattle. If he's newly released that's still the mindset he's going to hold. While I can totally see him sleeping with a human as the fancy strikes him, going back in time to do it seems like a massive expenditure of power to do something that he could just as easily do in the present day. It'd be like going back in time to make yourself a sandwich instead of just making yourself a sandwich.